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| Tranny governor removal [message #352257] |
Tue, 18 February 2020 19:47  |
skip2
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Evening all,
It's probably been hit on before, but all I can find is that the the left header has to removed to remove the governor. I looked under and noticed I have a governor with the removable weight cover. Has anyone ever tried by removing the cover first getting more clearance and then see if the governor will come out. The governor is the easy part, the oil tube through the header is the hard part. Can't hurt to ask. And I've got a header that isn't leaking. In case your wondering, I've got a weird intermittent shift problem and all things point to a sticking valve or weep hole in governor.
Skip Hartline
74 Canyon Lands, FiTech,
3.7 FD LSD, Manny Tranny,
Springfield Distributor,
2001 Chevy Tracker Ragtop Towd
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| Re: Tranny governor removal [message #352263 is a reply to message #352257] |
Tue, 18 February 2020 21:37  |
lqqkatjon
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The removable weight cover is a pretty rare option. I have manny headers and the same governor. But have not tried to remove the governor since I went to headers.
I dont know how many removable governor covers ever got made and are out there. Maybe call wally and ask as I am sure he has headers and should know.
Nothing harmed by trying.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tranny governor removal [message #352265 is a reply to message #352263] |
Tue, 18 February 2020 22:59 |
jimk
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It will not give you enough clearance as the weights are below the cap.
Just loosen the collector 3 bolts then the header gaskets and spread it a
little and pull it out.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 7:38 PM Jon Roche via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> The removable weight cover is a pretty rare option. I have manny headers
> and the same governor. But have not tried to remove the governor since I
> went to headers.
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> I dont know how many removable governor covers ever got made and are out
> there. Maybe call wally and ask as I am sure he has headers and should
> know.
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> Nothing harmed by trying.
> --
> Jon Roche
> 75 palm beach
> EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
> St. Cloud, MN
> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tranny governor removal [message #352267 is a reply to message #352257] |
Wed, 19 February 2020 02:47 |
Ken Henderson
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It's been many years since I had headers, but IIRC, the purpose of removing
the cover from the governor (which one did by grinding away the flange
where the top met the flat bottom) was to allow removal without disturbing
the headers. That small reduction in the overall length of the governor
supposedly allowed one to work it out of the transmission case. Nothing
lost by trying!
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, Troy-Bilt APU, etc., etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 8:48 PM Skip Hartline via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Evening all,
>
> It's probably been hit on before, but all I can find is that the the left
> header has to removed to remove the governor. I looked under and noticed I
> have a governor with the removable weight cover. Has anyone ever tried by
> removing the cover first getting more clearance and then see if the governor
> will come out. The governor is the easy part, the oil tube through the
> header is the hard part. Can't hurt to ask. And I've got a header that isn't
> leaking. In case your wondering, I've got a weird intermittent shift
> problem and all things point to a sticking valve or weep hole in governor.
>
> Skip Hartline
> --
> 74 Canyon Lands, FiTech,
> 3.7 FD, Manny Tranny,
> Springfield Distributor,
> 2001 Chevy Tracker Ragtop Towd
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tranny governor removal [message #352275 is a reply to message #352267] |
Wed, 19 February 2020 08:41 |
jimk
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I can tell you that the time utilized in cutting the gov. Is not worth the
time.
If you spread the header as I mentioned is more pridictsle as more than
likely the header need the gasket replaced anyway.
If your time is not a concern,dig in on cutting the cover.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 12:48 AM Ken Henderson via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> It's been many years since I had headers, but IIRC, the purpose of removing
> the cover from the governor (which one did by grinding away the flange
> where the top met the flat bottom) was to allow removal without disturbing
> the headers. That small reduction in the overall length of the governor
> supposedly allowed one to work it out of the transmission case. Nothing
> lost by trying!
>
> Ken H.
> Americus, GA
> '76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
> Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, Troy-Bilt APU, etc., etc., etc.
> www.gmcwipersetc.com
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 8:48 PM Skip Hartline via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Evening all,
>>
>> It's probably been hit on before, but all I can find is that the the left
>> header has to removed to remove the governor. I looked under and noticed
> I
>> have a governor with the removable weight cover. Has anyone ever tried by
>> removing the cover first getting more clearance and then see if the
> governor
>> will come out. The governor is the easy part, the oil tube through the
>> header is the hard part. Can't hurt to ask. And I've got a header that
> isn't
>> leaking. In case your wondering, I've got a weird intermittent shift
>> problem and all things point to a sticking valve or weep hole in
> governor.
>>
>> Skip Hartline
>> --
>> 74 Canyon Lands, FiTech,
>> 3.7 FD, Manny Tranny,
>> Springfield Distributor,
>> 2001 Chevy Tracker Ragtop Towd
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: Tranny governor removal [message #352278 is a reply to message #352257] |
Wed, 19 February 2020 12:34 |
jhbridges
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Well, if you cut the cover, how do you seal it back up?
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: Tranny governor removal [message #352280 is a reply to message #352257] |
Wed, 19 February 2020 13:48 |
Russell K.
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Hi Skip,
If the removable cover works to get the governor out without detaching the headers, please let us know. If not, you don't have to remove the dipstick tube to get the governor out. I replaced my governor two years ago. After loosening the header bolts, I supported the weight of the headers with a bungee cord (or two) to a board across the engine access. Once the header bolts are removed, you can move the headers up enough (you don't need very much movement) to pull the governor without damaging the dipstick tube.
A new header gasket is a must.
JWID
Russell
PS. I should have taken more pictures.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/transmission-and-governor/p62451-transmission-and-governor.html
1978 Eleganza II, Dunedin, Florida
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| Re: Tranny governor removal [message #352281 is a reply to message #352257] |
Wed, 19 February 2020 15:30 |
skip2
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I appreciate all the replies and thoughts and I was thinking like Johnny "how do you seal it back up?". It might be a couple of weeks till I get to it. I still need to order a gear from Jim so I can change it while it's out. But I will let ya'll know when I find out.
Skip Hartine
74 Canyon Lands, FiTech,
3.7 FD LSD, Manny Tranny,
Springfield Distributor,
2001 Chevy Tracker Ragtop Towd
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tranny governor removal [message #352282 is a reply to message #352278] |
Wed, 19 February 2020 15:25 |
Ken Henderson
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Johnny,
When cutting the cap off of the governor, it's important to remove as
little metal from the crimped rim as possible so that there's a little
"shelf" left. That 1/8" or so wide shelf is covered with RTV when
re-installing the governor; the wire bail holds the cap down in the RTV as
it holds the governor in the transmission case.
It occurred to me later that someone might consider removing an un-modified
cap with the governor installed; I doubt that's possible -- certainly not
without damaging that sealant shelf. DON'T TRY! I cut mine apart on a
lathe.
There's another reason to remove that cap: Modifying the fly weights to
increase the shift point speeds. IIRC, Bill Bramlett's recommendation was
to drill 5 each 1/4" holes in each of the 2 weights. I never tried it, and
Manny adjusts the speeds in his transmissions differently.
Ken H
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 1:35 PM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Well, if you cut the cover, how do you seal it back up?
>
> --johnny
> --
> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell
>
>
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| Re: Tranny governor removal [message #352283 is a reply to message #352281] |
Wed, 19 February 2020 15:44 |
lqqkatjon
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I have a "Wally Anderson" governor. I was thinking his was the only one's that had a removable top. his is a bit fancier, and with the machining he does, the cover is sealed with an O-ring.
what you might have could be some other backwoods situation. If you grind/cut the cover off like others said has been done by someone, somewhere. I am not really sure how you would put it back together.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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