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[GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352101] Mon, 10 February 2020 10:21 Go to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Yesterday, while assembling an engine in my shop, I encountered a problem
that previously had failed to occur, at least to me. After degreeing in the
camshaft in this 455, i was buttoning up the front timing cover, and
noticed some interference (direct contact) between the crankshaft oil
slinger and the timing cover. Hmmmm, what in the ???.
As i was using a Cloyes Tru-roller 3 keyway timing chain set, I
suspect the crank gear was just a scosche thicker than the stock heavy duty
gear. And the combined stack with everything installed eliminated all the
wiggle room.
So, I looked carefully at the slinger, and pondered ways to increase
the clearance. Flattening the slinger in the hydraulic press occured to me
as did grinding a bit off of it. Ruled that out. So, I called another GMCer
I know, and emailed another one out of state to find another slinger. First
guy called me back, said he had a few to choose from, and to come over and
take my pick.
Judy and I piled in the car, drove to Costco and filled up with gas at
$2.499 a gallon and headed West. 98.3 miles later, I pulled into our
driveway with my prize.
Stacked the newly acquired slinger next to the original, there was
about 1/8" difference in height. Enough to clear. So, cleaned all the stuff
up, installed the new slinger and compensating dampener, laid a straight
edge across the front of the block, and "Eureka", success. So, I pulled the
dampener, installed the timing cover, and chalked that one up to just
another day in a GMCers life.
Now, I pose the following question to you guys out there. "What kinda
nut job would drive almost 100 miles to find an oil slinger for an obsolete
40+ year old relic, ant treat it like a normal day?" Just me, so far.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352102 is a reply to message #352101] Mon, 10 February 2020 10:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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James Hupy wrote on Mon, 10 February 2020 11:21
Yesterday, while assembling an engine in my shop, I encountered a problem that previously had failed to occur, at least to me. After degreeing in the camshaft in this 455, i was buttoning up the front timing cover, and noticed some interference (direct contact) between the crankshaft oil slinger and the timing cover. Hmmmm, what in the ???.
As i was using a Cloyes Tru-roller 3 keyway timing chain set, I suspect the crank gear was just a scosche thicker than the stock heavy duty
gear. And the combined stack with everything installed eliminated all the wiggle room.
So, I looked carefully at the slinger, and pondered ways to increase the clearance. Flattening the slinger in the hydraulic press occured to me as did grinding a bit off of it. Ruled that out. So, I called another GMCer I know, and emailed another one out of state to find another slinger. First guy called me back, said he had a few to choose from, and to come over and take my pick.
Judy and I piled in the car, drove to Costco and filled up with gas at $2.499 a gallon and headed West. 98.3 miles later, I pulled into our driveway with my prize.
Stacked the newly acquired slinger next to the original, there was about 1/8" difference in height. Enough to clear. So, cleaned all the stuff up, installed the new slinger and compensating dampener, laid a straight edge across the front of the block, and "Eureka", success. So, I pulled the dampener, installed the timing cover, and chalked that one up to just another day in a GMCers life.
Now, I pose the following question to you guys out there. "What kinda nut job would drive almost 100 miles to find an oil slinger for an obsolete 40+ year old relic, ant treat it like a normal day?" Just me, so far.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
Jim,

I would first have to ask why you were rebuilding the engine instead of putting out to a shop somewhere?
Might this be because you wanted to know that it would be done as right as possible?
This why people like you and I do so much of our own work. It sure isn't to save the money......

Matt - who would have been glad to go on that ride with you.


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Re: [GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352103 is a reply to message #352101] Mon, 10 February 2020 11:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I never tell my 77 she's obsolete and she just keeps going like she doesn't know.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
Re: [GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352104 is a reply to message #352101] Mon, 10 February 2020 11:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I flew 3000 plus miles to pickup my parts a JimK's....does that count?...lol.

I have driven major miles for the parts ive needed....like everyone who generally does ones own work that usually means aquiring parts as well.....lol.


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: [GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352105 is a reply to message #352103] Mon, 10 February 2020 11:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Matt, I think back several years when Judy and I and several other coaches
were retracing old Route 66. You met up with us in a campground somewhere
between Chicago and Detroit, and helped us with your local advice on which
way to travel and toll roads to avoid, and museums that were a "must see".
We made a lot of new friends on that trip.
We would have loved it if you were along with us yesterday. Drove
through McMinnville, Oregon, right past the "Spruce Goose" at the
Evergreen Aviation Museum. A truly state of the art modern museum and a
water slide made out of a Boeing 747, throw in the fastest tactical
surveillance aircraft ever built, the SR-71, and Russian lunar rover, Took
Ken Henderson there a few years back, and he was struck speechless by the
display
The engine I am working on was one of my core 455's. I sent it to S &
J engines in Spokane, Washington along with specific instructions for the
build for motorhome service. They shipped it back to me, and I do the
finishing touches to the engine. High pressure, standard volume oil pump,
special camshaft, roller timing chain set degreed in the way I like it,
blocked exhaust crossover with Dick Paterson's gaskets and plates. Pressure
checked and magnafluxed cast iron toronado intake manifold, headers, Howell
Fuel injection with EBL, and the list goes on a bit more. It is going into
a 77 GMC Royale Coach as a warranty repair. Probably show up on the
marketplace later. Just want it gone from my carport. Got other projects
for that space. Just how we roll.
Judy and I have been known to drive 120 mile round trips just for
Buster's Texas BBQ ribs in Milwaukee, Oregon.
There is a great meat market, Gartner's, in Portland near the
airport. They make and smoke their own sausages, lunchmeats, bacon, etc. We
have been known to run up there for sumpthin' to cook for dinner.
Slowing down is not an option. Might be something unpleasant gaining ground
on me. Going to be as hard to catch up with as I can manage. (GRIN)
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

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> I never tell my 77 she's obsolete and she just keeps going like she
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352109 is a reply to message #352101] Mon, 10 February 2020 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Never look back, somebody might be catching up"
--- Satchel Paige

Words to live by.

--johnny


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Re: [GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352110 is a reply to message #352105] Mon, 10 February 2020 15:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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James Hupy wrote on Mon, 10 February 2020 12:54
Matt, I think back several years when Judy and I and several other coaches were retracing old Route 66. You met up with us in a campground somewhere between Chicago and Detroit, and helped us with your local advice on which way to travel and toll roads to avoid, and museums that were a "must see". We made a lot of new friends on that trip.
We would have loved it if you were along with us yesterday. Drove through McMinnville, Oregon, right past the "Spruce Goose" at the Evergreen Aviation Museum. A truly state of the art modern museum and a water slide made out of a Boeing 747, throw in the fastest tactical surveillance aircraft ever built, the SR-71, and Russian lunar rover, Took Ken Henderson there a few years back, and he was struck speechless by the display
The engine I am working on was one of my core 455's. I sent it to S & J engines in Spokane, Washington along with specific instructions for the build for motorhome service. They shipped it back to me, and I do the finishing touches to the engine. High pressure, standard volume oil pump, special camshaft, roller timing chain set degreed in the way I like it, blocked exhaust crossover with Dick Paterson's gaskets and plates. Pressure checked and magnafluxed cast iron toronado intake manifold, headers, Howell Fuel injection with EBL, and the list goes on a bit more. It is going into a 77 GMC Royale Coach as a warranty repair. Probably show up on the marketplace later. Just want it gone from my carport. Got other projects for that space. Just how we roll.
Judy and I have been known to drive 120 mile round trips just for Buster's Texas BBQ ribs in Milwaukee, Oregon.
There is a great meat market, Gartner's, in Portland near the airport. They make and smoke their own sausages, lunchmeats, bacon, etc. We have been known to run up there for sumpthin' to cook for dinner. Slowing down is not an option. Might be something unpleasant gaining ground on me. Going to be as hard to catch up with as I can manage. (GRIN)
Jim Hupy
Jim,

Your memory is good. You were hold up at a campground not far from Detroit.

I wish I had a relationship with a good shop, but all those around here that are good are so busy that nobody but a regular can get in there. When I used to get engines done for testing I had a couple of good shops, but they sooner or later went bad. For my gasket testing at McCord I needed representative engines. When I sent and engine out for an overhaul, it needed to come back with a build book and the right compression. When they failed that, they got taken off the good supplier list. That is why my last was the coach and it was engine 23. That only counts engines I can't carry with one hand.

Evergreen Aviation has been on my list since they got the Spruce Goose. If we ever get close, I will let you know.

I'm not sure you can call the other GMC owners you first meet new friends, it is more like old friends that finally met.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352111 is a reply to message #352110] Mon, 10 February 2020 16:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Don't wait too long. We would love to drive you around the Oregon
territory. If you like wine, this area is smack dab in the middle of the
Oregon wine territory. Way too many to see and sample in a 2 week vacation.
Mountains for skiing, Coastal camping, High Desert, all less than 2 hours
from our house.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 1:48 PM Matt Colie via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> James Hupy wrote on Mon, 10 February 2020 12:54
>> Matt, I think back several years when Judy and I and several other
> coaches were retracing old Route 66. You met up with us in a campground
>> somewhere between Chicago and Detroit, and helped us with your local
> advice on which way to travel and toll roads to avoid, and museums that
> were a
>> "must see". We made a lot of new friends on that trip.
>> We would have loved it if you were along with us yesterday. Drove
> through McMinnville, Oregon, right past the "Spruce Goose" at the
>> Evergreen Aviation Museum. A truly state of the art modern museum and a
> water slide made out of a Boeing 747, throw in the fastest tactical
>> surveillance aircraft ever built, the SR-71, and Russian lunar rover,
> Took Ken Henderson there a few years back, and he was struck speechless by
>> the display
>> The engine I am working on was one of my core 455's. I sent it to S
> & J engines in Spokane, Washington along with specific instructions for
>> the build for motorhome service. They shipped it back to me, and I do
> the finishing touches to the engine. High pressure, standard volume oil
> pump,
>> special camshaft, roller timing chain set degreed in the way I like it,
> blocked exhaust crossover with Dick Paterson's gaskets and plates. Pressure
>> checked and magnafluxed cast iron toronado intake manifold, headers,
> Howell Fuel injection with EBL, and the list goes on a bit more. It is going
>> into a 77 GMC Royale Coach as a warranty repair. Probably show up on the
> marketplace later. Just want it gone from my carport. Got other projects
>> for that space. Just how we roll.
>> Judy and I have been known to drive 120 mile round trips just for
> Buster's Texas BBQ ribs in Milwaukee, Oregon.
>> There is a great meat market, Gartner's, in Portland near the
> airport. They make and smoke their own sausages, lunchmeats, bacon, etc. We
>> have been known to run up there for sumpthin' to cook for dinner.
> Slowing down is not an option. Might be something unpleasant gaining ground
> on me.
>> Going to be as hard to catch up with as I can manage. (GRIN)
>> Jim Hupy
>
> Jim,
>
> Your memory is good. You were hold up at a campground not far from
> Detroit.
>
> I wish I had a relationship with a good shop, but all those around here
> that are good are so busy that nobody but a regular can get in there. When
> I
> used to get engines done for testing I had a couple of good shops, but
> they sooner or later went bad. For my gasket testing at McCord I needed
> representative engines. When I sent and engine out for an overhaul, it
> needed to come back with a build book and the right compression. When they
> failed that, they got taken off the good supplier list. That is why my
> last was the coach and it was engine 23. That only counts engines I can't
> carry with one hand.
>
> Evergreen Aviation has been on my list since they got the Spruce Goose.
> If we ever get close, I will let you know.
>
> I'm not sure you can call the other GMC owners you first meet new friends,
> it is more like old friends that finally met.
>
> Matt
> --
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> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352119 is a reply to message #352101] Tue, 11 February 2020 04:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Got up Saturday to find my wife in the garage with the hood up on her car. What are you doing? I'm fixing my front wheel portion of the 4 wheel drive. She knew I would raise hell if she took it to a shop because the Jimmy is 20 years old and there is no one around that would not rip her off and replace a bunch of unneeded parts. So less than 1 hour later, after removing the battery and battery box, to get get to the vacuum driven actuator, we found no vacuum.

I decided at tht point that I needed my Mighty Vac. Both of mine were were at the airport along with my friends Mighty vac too. 13 miles to the airport and none of the 3 were anywhere to be found. My friend used them last bleeding the brakes on a POS Ranger that he now is finally going to junk, He currently is in Oregon where they do not know what cell phone service is. So I drove about 15 miles to Harbor Freight to buy another one only to find that they closed 5 minutes before I arrived. So I drove home which was another 16 miles.

Total was 44 miles and a couple of hours with nothing accomplished.

That night my friend called and said that my two pumps were in a black plastic box at the airport and his was in his roll around tool box there. So the next day I went back to the airport and found the black box. It contained air chisels, NO pumps. His tool box also had no pump in it. So it was back to Harbor Freight and then home another 44 mile total trip. It took less than 15 minutes to find the problem with the might vac and other 15 or so minutes to replace a damaged hose near the bottom of the engine. Total cost to fix was nothing (other than buying another $23 pump). I had plenty of spare vacuum hose at home. Total time actually working on it maybe 1.5 hours. Total time chasing a pump on two days about 4 hours.

All of this so she could have 4 wheel drive that she seldom uses. We have not had enough snow here for me to even start the John Deere to plow. I wonder if the battery is still charged on it.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352124 is a reply to message #352105] Tue, 11 February 2020 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JimH,

You live in an area that has lots to offer so I wouldn't consider any "drive"
there a waste of time. Ada and I did a trade show in Portland years ago and during
off days drove all over. Toured the Evergreen Museum and got to crawl all over the
"Goose" and the other aircraft there. Drove out to the "Falls" and spent the whole day
driving the river afterwards.

You and Judy are doing what you both enjoy doing, just like Ada and I have tried to do.
Do things now while you are able. We have been fighting cancer for the past three years,
slowing us down and limiting our GMC time but still out there when we can. Our sights are
on Patterson, LA with God's help. Wink

jim Galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL

Re: [GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352132 is a reply to message #352124] Tue, 11 February 2020 09:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, it is a sickness. Unfortunately some people eventually get over it. Not a good thing in my opinion. Most of the Saguaro Jetset has gone over to the dark side of SOBs, leaving myself and a few others wondering what has happened to our GMC Motorhome club. Cal Terry said it best at the last rally, "I will never be an SOB"> Wink

Yes, get out and enjoy every trip, even if it is 'just' a parts run, consider it a mini vacation.

Kathy and I have both gone through cancer treatments in the past year, fortunately caught early and entirely curable, but none of us ever know when our time will run out. Enjoy life while you can.


Carl Stouffer '75 ex Palm Beach Tucson, AZ. Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
Re: [GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352145 is a reply to message #352101] Tue, 11 February 2020 20:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Some sicknesses are more fun than others.
Fifteen years of pain from a bad ankle cured by replacement was one I appreciated.
Cure for the GMC? I'll hold off of buying that pill for a while

Virginia and I are halfway through our first "snowbird" experience, and are loving it.

We left Nebraska at 9 degrees above zero and because of ice glazed roads had to "game" the exit from our storage area by having Va stand guard at the top of the exit hill watching for traffic. At her "all clear" I used the small portion of clear ruts to get the coach rolling for inertia to top the hill and cross the highway onto clear pavement. She then scampered across and joined me and the roads have been clear if not dry since. Tonight, in Falcon State Park, just off the Rio Grande, we sit cozy in the coach after a traveling a day in the drizzle with a high in the 70's.

This trip could be duplicated in any RV. But, following Larry Weidner's advice we have been filling up at half tank. At every stop have been greeted with appreciative stares and conversations on how "I've always wanted one," requests to look inside, and "OMG, I haven't seen one of those for years." And three weeks in, we are as cozy and happy as we were on day one; don't ever tell us they're too small.

The world is full of weirdos. One of us loves his watermen, one of us has a garage full of copal yenko's, more than one of us has a hanger and another life in the air, clearly there are "sick" people everywhere you look. Here I see people who like adventure and find common ground in an antique bundle of compromises that got it right. A cure? No thanks.

The problem Mr. Hupy is that if wishes were granted you'd of had maybe thirty of us along on that parts run and we'd have driven your wife crazy.
That would be a problem a wrench couldn't solve, though there would be no shortage of advice.


Douglas & Virginia Smith, dsmithy18 at gmail, Lincoln Nebraska, ’73 “Sequoia” since ‘95: "Wanabizo"; Quadrabag/6 wheel disks/3:70 final/Paterson QuadraJet/Thorley’s/Alloy wheels/Sundry other
Re: [GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352146 is a reply to message #352145] Tue, 11 February 2020 22:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What is that saying my mom used to repeat? Oh, yes, I remember now.
"Misery loves Company". That was it. Just kidding around.
We are all drawn together by a common interest, these old coaches. We
all go to great lengths to keep them running. We are heading out in ours on
Thursday to a Valentine's Day rally with the GMC CASCADERS. About 50 souls
are signed up , last I checked. Should be a good time.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 6:57 PM Douglas Smith via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Some sicknesses are more fun than others.
> Fifteen years of pain from a bad ankle cured by replacement was one I
> appreciated.
> Cure for the GMC? I'll hold off of buying that pill for a while
>
> Virginia and I are halfway through our first "snowbird" experience, and
> are loving it.
>
> We left Nebraska at 9 degrees above zero and because of ice glazed roads
> had to "game" the exit from our storage area by having Va stand guard at the
> top of the exit hill watching for traffic. At her "all clear" I used the
> small portion of clear ruts to get the coach rolling for inertia to top the
> hill and cross the highway onto clear pavement. She then scampered across
> and joined me and the roads have been clear if not dry since. Tonight, in
> Falcon State Park, just off the Rio Grande, we sit cozy in the coach after
> a traveling a day in the drizzle with a high in the 70's.
>
> This trip could be duplicated in any RV. But, following Larry Weidner's
> advice we have been filling up at half tank. At every stop have been greeted
> with appreciative stares and conversations on how "I've always wanted
> one," requests to look inside, and "OMG, I haven't seen one of those for
> years."
> And three weeks in, we are as cozy and happy as we were on day one; don't
> ever tell us they're too small.
>
> The world is full of weirdos. One of us loves his watermen, one of us has
> a garage full of copal yenko's, more than one of us has a hanger and another
> life in the air, clearly there are "sick" people everywhere you look. Here
> I see people who like adventure and find common ground in an antique bundle
> of compromises that got it right. A cure? No thanks.
>
> The problem Mr. Hupy is that if wishes were granted you'd of had maybe
> thirty of us along on that parts run and we'd have driven your wife crazy.
> That would be a problem a wrench couldn't solve, though there would be no
> shortage of advice.
> --
> Douglas & Virginia Smith
> dsmithy18 at gmail
> Lincoln Nebraska
> ’73 “Canyonlands” since ‘95: Wanabizo"
> Quadrabag/6 wheel disks/3;70 final/Paterson QuadraJet/Thorley’s/Sundry
> other
> P&W PT6, no wait, that's the wish list...
>
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352287 is a reply to message #352101] Wed, 19 February 2020 18:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree that we're all crazy, sick, diseased, etc. But we sure have fun !!!

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Ray E.:
This is the kind of crazy we GMCers really enjoy. For me - 7 years of total enjoyment, new found and great friends, lots of new adventures! Oh - and did I mention - I met the love of my life at my 1st GMC Convention in Dothan, Ala. - best thing to ever happen to me in all my life!
Thank You - General Motors!
Thank You - GMCMI!
Mike/The Corvair a holic

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> On Feb 11, 2020, at 10:19 PM, James Hupy via Gmclist wrote:
>
> What is that saying my mom used to repeat? Oh, yes, I remember now.
> "Misery loves Company". That was it. Just kidding around.
> We are all drawn together by a common interest, these old coaches. We
> all go to great lengths to keep them running. We are heading out in ours on
> Thursday to a Valentine's Day rally with the GMC CASCADERS. About 50 souls
> are signed up , last I checked. Should be a good time.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 6:57 PM Douglas Smith via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Some sicknesses are more fun than others.
>> Fifteen years of pain from a bad ankle cured by replacement was one I
>> appreciated.
>> Cure for the GMC? I'll hold off of buying that pill for a while
>>
>> Virginia and I are halfway through our first "snowbird" experience, and
>> are loving it.
>>
>> We left Nebraska at 9 degrees above zero and because of ice glazed roads
>> had to "game" the exit from our storage area by having Va stand guard at the
>> top of the exit hill watching for traffic. At her "all clear" I used the
>> small portion of clear ruts to get the coach rolling for inertia to top the
>> hill and cross the highway onto clear pavement. She then scampered across
>> and joined me and the roads have been clear if not dry since. Tonight, in
>> Falcon State Park, just off the Rio Grande, we sit cozy in the coach after
>> a traveling a day in the drizzle with a high in the 70's.
>>
>> This trip could be duplicated in any RV. But, following Larry Weidner's
>> advice we have been filling up at half tank. At every stop have been greeted
>> with appreciative stares and conversations on how "I've always wanted
>> one," requests to look inside, and "OMG, I haven't seen one of those for
>> years."
>> And three weeks in, we are as cozy and happy as we were on day one; don't
>> ever tell us they're too small.
>>
>> The world is full of weirdos. One of us loves his watermen, one of us has
>> a garage full of copal yenko's, more than one of us has a hanger and another
>> life in the air, clearly there are "sick" people everywhere you look. Here
>> I see people who like adventure and find common ground in an antique bundle
>> of compromises that got it right. A cure? No thanks.
>>
>> The problem Mr. Hupy is that if wishes were granted you'd of had maybe
>> thirty of us along on that parts run and we'd have driven your wife crazy.
>> That would be a problem a wrench couldn't solve, though there would be no
>> shortage of advice.
>> --
>> Douglas & Virginia Smith
>> dsmithy18 at gmail
>> Lincoln Nebraska
>> ’73 “Canyonlands” since ‘95: Wanabizo"
>> Quadrabag/6 wheel disks/3;70 final/Paterson QuadraJet/Thorley’s/Sundry
>> other
>> P&W PT6, no wait, that's the wish list...
>>
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC OWNERSHIP IS A SICKNESS. [message #352291 is a reply to message #352289] Wed, 19 February 2020 23:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Some very interesting takes on GMC POX. For lack of a better name. We
pretty much concur with all of you.
We had a great time last weekend with 40 or so like minded individuals
at the GMC CASCADERS Valentine's rally. Valentines, visits from Cupids (2),
Silly games, special libations, Great food and fellowship.
It occured to me that the GMC is like the Transporter on the
Enterprise. We step out of them at a rally into another dimension. And when
we end the rally, the coaches transport us back to reality once again. A
bit of fantasy, and a bit of reality all thrown in together. I love it.
Hope all you do, too.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 6:19 PM Mike Kelley via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Ray E.:
> This is the kind of crazy we GMCers really enjoy. For me - 7 years of
> total enjoyment, new found and great friends, lots of new adventures! Oh -
> and did I mention - I met the love of my life at my 1st GMC Convention in
> Dothan, Ala. - best thing to ever happen to me in all my life!
> Thank You - General Motors!
> Thank You - GMCMI!
> Mike/The Corvair a holic
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 10:19 PM, James Hupy via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> What is that saying my mom used to repeat? Oh, yes, I remember now.
>> "Misery loves Company". That was it. Just kidding around.
>> We are all drawn together by a common interest, these old coaches. We
>> all go to great lengths to keep them running. We are heading out in ours
> on
>> Thursday to a Valentine's Day rally with the GMC CASCADERS. About 50
> souls
>> are signed up , last I checked. Should be a good time.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 6:57 PM Douglas Smith via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Some sicknesses are more fun than others.
>>> Fifteen years of pain from a bad ankle cured by replacement was one I
>>> appreciated.
>>> Cure for the GMC? I'll hold off of buying that pill for a while
>>>
>>> Virginia and I are halfway through our first "snowbird" experience, and
>>> are loving it.
>>>
>>> We left Nebraska at 9 degrees above zero and because of ice glazed roads
>>> had to "game" the exit from our storage area by having Va stand guard
> at the
>>> top of the exit hill watching for traffic. At her "all clear" I used the
>>> small portion of clear ruts to get the coach rolling for inertia to top
> the
>>> hill and cross the highway onto clear pavement. She then scampered
> across
>>> and joined me and the roads have been clear if not dry since. Tonight,
> in
>>> Falcon State Park, just off the Rio Grande, we sit cozy in the coach
> after
>>> a traveling a day in the drizzle with a high in the 70's.
>>>
>>> This trip could be duplicated in any RV. But, following Larry Weidner's
>>> advice we have been filling up at half tank. At every stop have been
> greeted
>>> with appreciative stares and conversations on how "I've always wanted
>>> one," requests to look inside, and "OMG, I haven't seen one of those for
>>> years."
>>> And three weeks in, we are as cozy and happy as we were on day one;
> don't
>>> ever tell us they're too small.
>>>
>>> The world is full of weirdos. One of us loves his watermen, one of us
> has
>>> a garage full of copal yenko's, more than one of us has a hanger and
> another
>>> life in the air, clearly there are "sick" people everywhere you look.
> Here
>>> I see people who like adventure and find common ground in an antique
> bundle
>>> of compromises that got it right. A cure? No thanks.
>>>
>>> The problem Mr. Hupy is that if wishes were granted you'd of had maybe
>>> thirty of us along on that parts run and we'd have driven your wife
> crazy.
>>> That would be a problem a wrench couldn't solve, though there would be
> no
>>> shortage of advice.
>>> --
>>> Douglas & Virginia Smith
>>> dsmithy18 at gmail
>>> Lincoln Nebraska
>>> ’73 “Canyonlands” since ‘95: Wanabizo"
>>> Quadrabag/6 wheel disks/3;70 final/Paterson QuadraJet/Thorley’s/Sundry
>>> other
>>> P&W PT6, no wait, that's the wish list...
>>>
>>>
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GMC ownership is NOT a sickness [message #352318 is a reply to message #352101] Fri, 21 February 2020 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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Just could not let this ride....

In the common parlance, a sickness is something you want cured because it is at least uncomfortable if not debilitating. I, for at least one, do not believe that defines being a GMC/TZE owner.

Even those much less seriously afflicted than I will do what ever it takes to continue the condition. It may be more like an addiction that is not a threat to your continued existence.

I only actually own one coach.
It is one of the smallest and oldest in the community, but two years ago I pulled the front frame out to do a complete engine refresh. That also included a lot of other betterment. All of that was out of my own pocket, but I would be willing to bet that I could have arrived at some SOB for much less cost and effort. Then, early last year, we had that little trouble in South Carolina. I could have let the insurance call it done. but we love her too much. So, I removed the front frame again, but this time to replace it. If I could have found a trusted shop to do that job for less than the total value, I just might have. No matter how you cut this it is still a marginal ROI. But, she would be worth it to us.

I will admit, it might qualify as a some thing, but it is not a Sickness......

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] GMC ownership is NOT a sickness [message #352319 is a reply to message #352318] Fri, 21 February 2020 10:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith V is currently offline  Keith V   United States
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It is far from sick to take care of something just because it has issues once in a while.
Quite the opposite.
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To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
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Subject: [GMCnet] GMC ownership is NOT a sickness

Just could not let this ride....

In the common parlance, a sickness is something you want cured because it is at least uncomfortable if not debilitating. I, for at least one, do not
believe that defines being a GMC/TZE owner.

Even those much less seriously afflicted than I will do what ever it takes to continue the condition. It may be more like an addiction that is not a
threat to your continued existence.

I only actually own one coach.
It is one of the smallest and oldest in the community, but two years ago I pulled the front frame out to do a complete engine refresh. That also
included a lot of other betterment. All of that was out of my own pocket, but I would be willing to bet that I could have arrived at some SOB for much
less cost and effort. Then, early last year, we had that little trouble in South Carolina. I could have let the insurance call it done. but we love
her too much. So, I removed the front frame again, but this time to replace it. If I could have found a trusted shop to do that job for less than
the total value, I just might have. No matter how you cut this it is still a marginal ROI. But, she would be worth it to us.

I will admit, it might qualify as a some thing, but it is not a Sickness......

Matt
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC ownership is NOT a sickness [message #352320 is a reply to message #352319] Fri, 21 February 2020 11:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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You guys know when I am yanking your chain, right?
I have had this malady since GMCs first came out in the 70's. Still
got it, and don't seem like there is any known cure for it. Even guys who
regularly attend meetings for self help and S.O.B. therapy still speak of
it with fondness.
I presently am a member of 4 clubs, and on the Black List, and work
on them daily. I love these old coaches and many of those who drive them
are great friends of ours. I don't want to get well.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 8:24 AM Keith V via Gmclist
wrote:

> It is far from sick to take care of something just because it has issues
> once in a while.
> Quite the opposite.
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of Matt Colie
> via Gmclist
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 9:54 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Cc: Matt Colie
> Subject: [GMCnet] GMC ownership is NOT a sickness
>
> Just could not let this ride....
>
> In the common parlance, a sickness is something you want cured because it
> is at least uncomfortable if not debilitating. I, for at least one, do not
> believe that defines being a GMC/TZE owner.
>
> Even those much less seriously afflicted than I will do what ever it takes
> to continue the condition. It may be more like an addiction that is not a
> threat to your continued existence.
>
> I only actually own one coach.
> It is one of the smallest and oldest in the community, but two years ago I
> pulled the front frame out to do a complete engine refresh. That also
> included a lot of other betterment. All of that was out of my own pocket,
> but I would be willing to bet that I could have arrived at some SOB for much
> less cost and effort. Then, early last year, we had that little trouble
> in South Carolina. I could have let the insurance call it done. but we love
> her too much. So, I removed the front frame again, but this time to
> replace it. If I could have found a trusted shop to do that job for less
> than
> the total value, I just might have. No matter how you cut this it is
> still a marginal ROI. But, she would be worth it to us.
>
> I will admit, it might qualify as a some thing, but it is not a
> Sickness......
>
> Matt
> --
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> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC ownership is NOT a sickness [message #352321 is a reply to message #352320] Fri, 21 February 2020 12:17 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Don't worry, Jim. Those of us who are similarly infected understand. No
one else matters.

Ken H.

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:14 PM James Hupy via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> You guys know when I am yanking your chain, right?
> I have had this malady since GMCs first came out in the 70's. Still
> got it, and don't seem like there is any known cure for it. Even guys who
> regularly attend meetings for self help and S.O.B. therapy still speak of
> it with fondness.
> I presently am a member of 4 clubs, and on the Black List, and work
> on them daily. I love these old coaches and many of those who drive them
> are great friends of ours. I don't want to get well.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 8:24 AM Keith V via Gmclist >
> wrote:
>
>> It is far from sick to take care of something just because it has issues
>> once in a while.
>> Quite the opposite.
>> ________________________________
>> From: Gmclist on behalf of Matt Colie
>> via Gmclist
>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 9:54 AM
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Cc: Matt Colie
>> Subject: [GMCnet] GMC ownership is NOT a sickness
>>
>> Just could not let this ride....
>>
>> In the common parlance, a sickness is something you want cured because it
>> is at least uncomfortable if not debilitating. I, for at least one, do
> not
>> believe that defines being a GMC/TZE owner.
>>
>> Even those much less seriously afflicted than I will do what ever it
> takes
>> to continue the condition. It may be more like an addiction that is not
> a
>> threat to your continued existence.
>>
>> I only actually own one coach.
>> It is one of the smallest and oldest in the community, but two years ago
> I
>> pulled the front frame out to do a complete engine refresh. That also
>> included a lot of other betterment. All of that was out of my own pocket,
>> but I would be willing to bet that I could have arrived at some SOB for
> much
>> less cost and effort. Then, early last year, we had that little trouble
>> in South Carolina. I could have let the insurance call it done. but we
> love
>> her too much. So, I removed the front frame again, but this time to
>> replace it. If I could have found a trusted shop to do that job for less
>> than
>> the total value, I just might have. No matter how you cut this it is
>> still a marginal ROI. But, she would be worth it to us.
>>
>> I will admit, it might qualify as a some thing, but it is not a
>> Sickness......
>>
>> Matt
>> --
>> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
>> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
>> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
>> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>>
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