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Tom Lins
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After removing the EFI from our GMC I was going to move it back to the storage facility
Started it up and put my foot on the brake and it almost went to the floor
Pumped the brakes and it came up but I was leery of moving it.
I checked the master cylinder and the rear reservoir was low.
I re-chocked the wheels and while doing so found a chunk of the friction material by the left front wheel.
I have ordered new pads.
The calipers are 80 mm that I put on with new semi-metallic pads about 9 months ago just before going to Tallahassee.
Has anyone had this happen to them?
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/misc/p66822-broken-brake-pad.html
When I open this up I will post more pictures.
Tom Lins
St Augustine, FL
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| Re: Brake issue [message #350091 is a reply to message #350090] |
Wed, 13 November 2019 13:21  |
JohnL455
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If you mean a bonded (no rivets) pad or shoe come unbonded, yes I have had it happen. Most recently on a Dexter electric drum brake on tandem trailer.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake issue [message #350092 is a reply to message #350090] |
Wed, 13 November 2019 13:20 |
Dolph Santorine
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Tom:
I had the same happen when the pads were rust jacked off the pad.
This is worth the 15 minutes to view it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ8O2tJOGLE
Dolph
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Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
> On Nov 13, 2019, at 2:02 PM, Tom Lins via Gmclist wrote:
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> After removing the EFI from our GMC I was going to move it back to the storage facility
> Started it up and put my foot on the brake and it almost went to the floor
> Pumped the brakes and it came up but I was leery of moving it.
> I checked the master cylinder and the rear reservoir was low.
> I re-chocked the wheels and while doing so found a chunk of the friction material by the left front wheel.
> I have ordered new pads.
> The calipers are 80 mm that I put on with new semi-metallic pads about 9 months ago just before going to Tallahassee.
> Has anyone had this happen to them?
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/misc/p66822-broken-brake-pad.html
>
> When I open this up I will post more pictures.
> --
> Tom Lins
> St Augustine, FL
> 77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, FI-Tech EFI, Aluminum Radiator Quad-Bag Suspension Solar Panel
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake issue [message #350093 is a reply to message #350091] |
Wed, 13 November 2019 14:05 |
James Hupy
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Common occurrence with today's bonded lining on disc brakes. Tightened
environmental regulations drove American Manufacturers off shore in droves.
Both high temperature and the resultant off-gassing of harmful stuff, plus
the elimination of many friction materials (asbestos) has led us into
having to settle for poor quality brake pads from who knows where. Some
high quality stuff still exists, though prices reflect it. In extreme duty
applications like motorhomes, ALWAYS INSTALL RIVETED LININGS, front and
rear. Your life as well as other lives around you depend upon it.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 11:21 AM John R. Lebetski via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> If you mean a bonded (no rivets) pad or shoe come unbonded, yes I have had
> it happen. Most recently on a Dexter electric drum brake on tandem trailer.
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> John Lebetski
> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake issue [message #350094 is a reply to message #350093] |
Wed, 13 November 2019 14:18 |
Dolph Santorine
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Jim:
Your points are correct, but in the interim there are some terrific adhesives that have been introduced since that are environmentally friendly, exhibit better extreme temperature resistance and superior shear.
I spent time gluing metal parts together, and little oblong pieces of copper clad aluminum to kapton manufacturing speakers and saw the adhesives progress quickly right after the previous generation of high temperature adhesives were outlawed.
Dolph
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Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
> On Nov 13, 2019, at 3:05 PM, James Hupy via Gmclist wrote:
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> Common occurrence with today's bonded lining on disc brakes. Tightened
> environmental regulations drove American Manufacturers off shore in droves.
> Both high temperature and the resultant off-gassing of harmful stuff, plus
> the elimination of many friction materials (asbestos) has led us into
> having to settle for poor quality brake pads from who knows where. Some
> high quality stuff still exists, though prices reflect it. In extreme duty
> applications like motorhomes, ALWAYS INSTALL RIVETED LININGS, front and
> rear. Your life as well as other lives around you depend upon it.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
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> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 11:21 AM John R. Lebetski via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> If you mean a bonded (no rivets) pad or shoe come unbonded, yes I have had
>> it happen. Most recently on a Dexter electric drum brake on tandem trailer.
>>
>> --
>> John Lebetski
>> Woodstock, IL
>> 77 Eleganza II
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| Re: Brake issue [message #350095 is a reply to message #350090] |
Wed, 13 November 2019 15:00 |
6cuda6
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Tom....without seeing the rotor and the other pads i would guess that you had that pad frozen to the rotor from heat/rust when you parked it. We call that pad stamping and i would phathom to guess you have big rusty imprint of the pad on the rotor as well. The down side to cintered bonded pads that are used hard, parked hot then left to sit for a long period of time. (Nothing you did wrong btw.....)
As for pads, there are some very very good bonded brake pads out there including the ones we use on disc brake semi trucks and buses. Although rivetted brake linings are very good they are on their way out sadly as they tend to be used on none cintered lining materials.
Jim Bounds has a very good video on brake pads/shoes in regards to why he prefers rivetted and he is right....the lining materials are not as agressive so not as hard on rotors/drums.....but at the cost of a bit more heat from the assembly and less pad service life due to softer compounds.
Dont get me started on brakes....its one of my expertise from my pro racing days and my current dayly job.
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
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| Re: Brake issue [message #350098 is a reply to message #350096] |
Wed, 13 November 2019 17:53 |
6cuda6
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Tom Lins wrote on Wed, 13 November 2019 16:43I took the wheel off to check what the damage is and surprisingly the only issue was the friction material came off the back plate.
Doesn't appear to have damaged the rotor, lucky this happened in my driveway.
I did find that the CV joint boot is torn but I doubt it is related to the brake pad.
Ordered new pads and a boot from jimk.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/misc/p66824-brake-rotor.html
Great to hear Sir!!
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake issue [message #350310 is a reply to message #350309] |
Sun, 24 November 2019 15:13 |
James Hupy
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That is the brand that I usually install unless the coach owner prefers
something else. Good product.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Sun, Nov 24, 2019, 12:52 PM Tom Lins via Gmclist
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> Followup on the friction material separating from the steel back plate
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> When I replaced the damaged brake pads I replaced both sides with EBC pads
> and on both sides in the front, the outside pad friction material had
> separated from the steel back plate.
> They had only been in the coach for 9 months and maybe 1500 miles.
> Oh well hopefully the EBC pads do better.
>
> --
> Tom Lins
> St Augustine, FL
> 77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, Aluminum Radiator Quad-Bag Suspension
> Solar Panel
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake issue [message #350312 is a reply to message #350310] |
Sun, 24 November 2019 21:55 |
mghamms
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I put EBC yellow on my Alfa Romeo Spider.
Pagid on my Porsche and VW Touareg.
Pagids are a little dusty but the all work as they should.
James Hupy wrote on Sun, 24 November 2019 15:13That is the brand that I usually install unless the coach owner prefers
something else. Good product.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Sun, Nov 24, 2019, 12:52 PM Tom Lins via Gmclist
wrote:
> Followup on the friction material separating from the steel back plate
>
> When I replaced the damaged brake pads I replaced both sides with EBC pads
> and on both sides in the front, the outside pad friction material had
> separated from the steel back plate.
> They had only been in the coach for 9 months and maybe 1500 miles.
> Oh well hopefully the EBC pads do better.
>
> --
> Tom Lins
> St Augustine, FL
> 77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, Aluminum Radiator Quad-Bag Suspension
> Solar Panel
> Manuals on DVD
> GMC Dealer Training Tapes
> http://www.bdub.net/tomlins/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake issue [message #350313 is a reply to message #350312] |
Sun, 24 November 2019 22:05 |
Mike Kelley
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Mike Hamm:
Sheesh - Alpha Romeo Spider, Porsche, V W Toureg, a GMC MH - what else do you have in your stable?
Makes me jealous just thinking about them!
Mike/The Corvair a holic
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 24, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Mike Hamm via Gmclist wrote:
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> I put EBC yellow on my Alfa Romeo Spider.
> Padid on my Porsche and VW Touareg.
> Pagids are a little dusty but the all work as they should.
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> James Hupy wrote on Sun, 24 November 2019 15:13
>> That is the brand that I usually install unless the coach owner prefers
>> something else. Good product.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
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>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019, 12:52 PM Tom Lins via Gmclist
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Followup on the friction material separating from the steel back plate
>>>
>>> When I replaced the damaged brake pads I replaced both sides with EBC pads
>>> and on both sides in the front, the outside pad friction material had
>>> separated from the steel back plate.
>>> They had only been in the coach for 9 months and maybe 1500 miles.
>>> Oh well hopefully the EBC pads do better.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tom Lins
>>> St Augustine, FL
>>> 77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, Aluminum Radiator Quad-Bag Suspension
>>> Solar Panel
>>> Manuals on DVD
>>> GMC Dealer Training Tapes
>>> http://www.bdub.net/tomlins/
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake issue [message #350318 is a reply to message #350313] |
Mon, 25 November 2019 10:40 |
mghamms
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not now running:
Two 1972 Citroen SM's
1975 Alfa romeo Alfetta
and another Alfa Spider
Mike Kelley wrote on Sun, 24 November 2019 22:05Mike Hamm:
Sheesh - Alpha Romeo Spider, Porsche, V W Toureg, a GMC MH - what else do you have in your stable?
Makes me jealous just thinking about them!
Mike/The Corvair a holic
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 24, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Mike Hamm via Gmclist wrote:
>
> I put EBC yellow on my Alfa Romeo Spider.
> Padid on my Porsche and VW Touareg.
> Pagids are a little dusty but the all work as they should.
>
>
>
> James Hupy wrote on Sun, 24 November 2019 15:13
>> That is the brand that I usually install unless the coach owner prefers
>> something else. Good product.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019, 12:52 PM Tom Lins via Gmclist
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Followup on the friction material separating from the steel back plate
>>>
>>> When I replaced the damaged brake pads I replaced both sides with EBC pads
>>> and on both sides in the front, the outside pad friction material had
>>> separated from the steel back plate.
>>> They had only been in the coach for 9 months and maybe 1500 miles.
>>> Oh well hopefully the EBC pads do better.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tom Lins
>>> St Augustine, FL
>>> 77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, Aluminum Radiator Quad-Bag Suspension
>>> Solar Panel
>>> Manuals on DVD
>>> GMC Dealer Training Tapes
>>> http://www.bdub.net/tomlins/
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake issue [message #350323 is a reply to message #350318] |
Mon, 25 November 2019 16:21 |
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Tom,
If you acquired them from us, and is the Yellow pads, call us and we will
sed a new set out to you.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 8:41 AM Mike Hamm via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Two 1972 Citroen SM's
>
> 1975 Alfa romeo Alfetta
>
> and another Alfa Spider
>
> Mike Kelley wrote on Sun, 24 November 2019 22:05
>> Mike Hamm:
>> Sheesh - Alpha Romeo Spider, Porsche, V W Toureg, a GMC MH - what else
> do you have in your stable?
>> Makes me jealous just thinking about them!
>> Mike/The Corvair a holic
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Mike Hamm via Gmclist wrote:
>>>
>>> I put EBC yellow on my Alfa Romeo Spider.
>>> Padid on my Porsche and VW Touareg.
>>> Pagids are a little dusty but the all work as they should.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James Hupy wrote on Sun, 24 November 2019 15:13
>>>> That is the brand that I usually install unless the coach owner
> prefers
>>>> something else. Good product.
>>>> Jim Hupy
>>>> Salem, Oregon
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019, 12:52 PM Tom Lins via Gmclist
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Followup on the friction material separating from the steel back
> plate
>>>> >
>>>> > When I replaced the damaged brake pads I replaced both sides with
> EBC pads
>>>> > and on both sides in the front, the outside pad friction material
> had
>>>> > separated from the steel back plate.
>>>> > They had only been in the coach for 9 months and maybe 1500 miles.
>>>> > Oh well hopefully the EBC pads do better.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Tom Lins
>>>> > St Augustine, FL
>>>> > 77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, Aluminum Radiator Quad-Bag
> Suspension
>>>> > Solar Panel
>>>> > Manuals on DVD
>>>> > GMC Dealer Training Tapes
>>>> > http://www.bdub.net/tomlins/
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > GMCnet mailing list
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake issue [message #350328 is a reply to message #350323] |
Mon, 25 November 2019 17:59 |
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jimk wrote on Mon, 25 November 2019 17:21Tom,
If you acquired them from us, and is the Yellow pads, call us and we will
sed a new set out to you.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 8:41 AM Mike Hamm via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Two 1972 Citroen SM's
>
> 1975 Alfa romeo Alfetta
>
> and another Alfa Spider
>
> Mike Kelley wrote on Sun, 24 November 2019 22:05
>> Mike Hamm:
>> Sheesh - Alpha Romeo Spider, Porsche, V W Toureg, a GMC MH - what else
> do you have in your stable?
>> Makes me jealous just thinking about them!
>> Mike/The Corvair a holic
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Mike Hamm via Gmclist wrote:
>>>
>>> I put EBC yellow on my Alfa Romeo Spider.
>>> Padid on my Porsche and VW Touareg.
>>> Pagids are a little dusty but the all work as they should.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James Hupy wrote on Sun, 24 November 2019 15:13
>>>> That is the brand that I usually install unless the coach owner
> prefers
>>>> something else. Good product.
>>>> Jim Hupy
>>>> Salem, Oregon
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019, 12:52 PM Tom Lins via Gmclist
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Followup on the friction material separating from the steel back
> plate
>>>> >
>>>> > When I replaced the damaged brake pads I replaced both sides with
> EBC pads
>>>> > and on both sides in the front, the outside pad friction material
> had
>>>> > separated from the steel back plate.
>>>> > They had only been in the coach for 9 months and maybe 1500 miles.
>>>> > Oh well hopefully the EBC pads do better.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Tom Lins
>>>> > St Augustine, FL
>>>> > 77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, Aluminum Radiator Quad-Bag
> Suspension
>>>> > Solar Panel
>>>> > Manuals on DVD
>>>> > GMC Dealer Training Tapes
>>>> > http://www.bdub.net/tomlins/
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > GMCnet mailing list
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>>>
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Now thats customer service!!
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