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[GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350058] Tue, 12 November 2019 15:48 Go to next message
Vern Crawford is currently offline  Vern Crawford   United States
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There is a new, but very annoying problem with our 1977 Palm Beach. Lenore
refuses to go anywhere in our coach until I can somehow kill the irritating
culprit!

The loud buzzing alarm does not come on when the ignition is turned to the
Accessory position.
However, 18 to 40 seconds following turning the ignition switch clockwise
to engage the engine on position the buzzing alarm starts piercing our
ears. It does not matter if the starter is used to start the engine, or if
it is simply left in the ignition "on" position, the loud buzzing alarm
kicks in after the delay of 18 to 40 seconds, and does not stop until the
ignition switch is rotated back to the "off" position.

The time delay of of 18 to 40 seconds seems to vary based on a capacitor or
other electronic device loading up before actuating the buzzer. When first
turning the ignition switch to the on position it will take 40 seconds
before activating the buzzer. If the switch is turned off, which is the
only way to silence the loud buzz, then the switch immediately turned back
on the delay before the buzzing is only about 18 seconds or so. If then
waiting a half-minute or so before turning the ignition on and the buzzer
kicks in at around 30 seconds; wait a whole minute or longer and the darn
buzzer delays for the original 40 seconds. Over the last several hundred
miles of travel, and several hundred tries to diagnose the culprit this
timing variation has been consistent.

Our's is a stock tortoise shell instrument panel, with standard round
analog gauges, with a small blue indicator light for bright headlights
centered on the steering column and above the speedometer and tachometer,
with green turn signal indicators to the upper left and right of those two
gauges. To the bottom right of the tachometer is a small red trouble
indicator (idiot light).

All TellTale lights and gauges behave normally. When the ignition is
first turned on the "generator" light comes on, along with a totally
different higher pitched and equally loud alarm comes on, and remains on
until the engine is either started or the ignition is turned back to the
off position. The troublesome loud buzzing is in addition to the normal
higher pitched alarm mentioned in the preceding sentence.

The actual location of the buzzer itself is somewhere out of reach and on
the far side of the hard black plastic portion of the HVAC venting leading
to the drivers right knee vent, and continuing to the drivers left knee
vent via flexible tubing.

I have removed the plastic horizontal access panel below the steering
column, and taken out all of the screws that appear to be holding the upper
section(s) of the dash and instrument pane. I'm reluctant to completely
tear up the dash in the pursuit of finding and destroying the aggravating
buzzer with a sledge hammer. All of the exposed under dash wiring appears
to be in original mint condition, and I don't want to just use brute force
to bull out the buzzer itself. I much prefer to find what is triggering
this awful buzzing sound.

Over the past three years and our 30,000+ miles of driving the coach there
have been a few occasions when a low fuel condition has also activated a
similar sounding alarm, along with turning on a yellow warning light. But
switching the tank position to auxiliary (and stopping at the next
opportunity to put in fuel) has extinguished both the yellow light and
buzzer.

Also eliminated is the low engine coolant sender. When the connection to
the radiator is interrupted then the normal high pitched alarm is
activated, along the little red dash idiot light.

Hopefully someone else in our collective brain trust has run across this
problem and its solution! I promised to visit our granddaughter next week,
and I'd like to bring Lenore along with me in the passenger seat.

Thanks for any ideas,
Vern
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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350062 is a reply to message #350058] Tue, 12 November 2019 19:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RF_Burns is currently offline  RF_Burns   Canada
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DigiPanel has a loud alarm BEEP if there is something out of normal range... but you did not mention having a DigiPanel,so that can't be it.


Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
1 ton front end
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My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350063 is a reply to message #350062] Tue, 12 November 2019 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vern Crawford is currently offline  Vern Crawford   United States
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Thanks, and affirmative on lack of the DigiPanel Bruce!

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 7:31 PM Bruce Hislop via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> DigiPanel has a loud alarm BEEP if there is something out of normal
> range... but you did not mention having a DigiPanel,so that can't be it.
>
> --
> Bruce Hislop
> ON Canada
> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350064 is a reply to message #350062] Tue, 12 November 2019 19:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bruce Hart is currently offline  Bruce Hart   United States
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Was the door closed?
Check the door switch to be sure it is functioning properly.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 6:31 PM Bruce Hislop via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> DigiPanel has a loud alarm BEEP if there is something out of normal
> range... but you did not mention having a DigiPanel,so that can't be it.
>
> --
> Bruce Hislop
> ON Canada
> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350065 is a reply to message #350058] Tue, 12 November 2019 19:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Vern -

There's a buzzer that comes on for "set suspension to travel mode" when shifting into drive.

It's still enabled on my coach - and just about every dang time we depart - my wife asks "What's that noise ?"

Might you have a "door ajar" buzzer ?? Our coach has an indicator light for such - don't know if the factory had an associated buzzer or not...

You've got a gremlin - that's for sure.

Good Luck,
Steve W






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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350066 is a reply to message #350065] Tue, 12 November 2019 20:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike Kelley is currently offline  Mike Kelley   United States
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Vern C:
Hi Santa - Mike Kelley here.
Wish I could help but it must be something installed by the owner before me.
So glad to hear that you have enjoyed her for soo many miles.
We are back in Tx. for the winter (Kingsland)
so may get the chance to see you at the next
Classics event. We missed the last Classics event as Billie got sick the Tuesday before it started - and is just now recovering.
Love to you and Lenore,
Mike/The Corvair a holic

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 7:54 PM, Steve Weinstock via Gmclist wrote:
>
> Hi Vern -
>
> There's a buzzer that comes on for "set suspension to travel mode" when shifting into drive.
>
> It's still enabled on my coach - and just about every dang time we depart - my wife asks "What's that noise ?"
>
> Might you have a "door ajar" buzzer ?? Our coach has an indicator light for such - don't know if the factory had an associated buzzer or not...
>
> You've got a gremlin - that's for sure.
>
> Good Luck,
> Steve W
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350068 is a reply to message #350064] Tue, 12 November 2019 20:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vern Crawford is currently offline  Vern Crawford   United States
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Thanks again Bruce, but I've ruled that one out also. On my coach the door
is apparently not tied into a buzzer, however if the entry door is not
closed tightly the "Door" red TellTale remains lit with the ignition switch
in the 'on" position. I have verified the correct operation of the door
switch, which extinguishes the light, but the darn loud alarm keeps on
a'buzzing!

Also thank you Steve for your suggestions. Earlier in the week Jim K. was
stumped when I called for possibilities to check, but suggested the "set
suspension..." possibility. Soon after purchasing the coach (3+ years and
30,000+ miles ago) the suspension air lines sprung a leak, thus I closed
the valve on both sides, and rely on manually adding air as occasionally
needed to maintain correct ride height. Although we occasionally let out
air for a very un-level site, and the bring the pressure back up with an
auxiliary air source, we have never had a buzzer associated with the
suspension. Nonetheless I've tried both the "auto" and the "hold"
settings, plus the right and left pump rocker switches of the of the
compressor controls without having any luck in quieting the buzz. If
anyone knows a better way to test for the possibility the alarm is related
to the suspension ride height please let me know what else to test.

Does anyone know if the "low fuel" warning is triggered by the cockpit fuel
gauge reaching a certain level, or directly from the sensor(s) on the
tank(s)?

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 7:43 PM Bruce Hart via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Was the door closed?
> Check the door switch to be sure it is functioning properly.
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 6:31 PM Bruce Hislop via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> DigiPanel has a loud alarm BEEP if there is something out of normal
>> range... but you did not mention having a DigiPanel,so that can't be it.
>>
>> --
>> Bruce Hislop
>> ON Canada
>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
>> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350069 is a reply to message #350068] Tue, 12 November 2019 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Emery Stora is currently offline  Emery Stora   United States
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Vern
Directly from the sensor in the tank. It will read the tank that is selected from the dash switch


Emery Stora

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Vern Crawford via Gmclist wrote:
>
> Thanks again Bruce, but I've ruled that one out also. On my coach the door
> is apparently not tied into a buzzer, however if the entry door is not
> closed tightly the "Door" red TellTale remains lit with the ignition switch
> in the 'on" position. I have verified the correct operation of the door
> switch, which extinguishes the light, but the darn loud alarm keeps on
> a'buzzing!
>
> Also thank you Steve for your suggestions. Earlier in the week Jim K. was
> stumped when I called for possibilities to check, but suggested the "set
> suspension..." possibility. Soon after purchasing the coach (3+ years and
> 30,000+ miles ago) the suspension air lines sprung a leak, thus I closed
> the valve on both sides, and rely on manually adding air as occasionally
> needed to maintain correct ride height. Although we occasionally let out
> air for a very un-level site, and the bring the pressure back up with an
> auxiliary air source, we have never had a buzzer associated with the
> suspension. Nonetheless I've tried both the "auto" and the "hold"
> settings, plus the right and left pump rocker switches of the of the
> compressor controls without having any luck in quieting the buzz. If
> anyone knows a better way to test for the possibility the alarm is related
> to the suspension ride height please let me know what else to test.
>
> Does anyone know if the "low fuel" warning is triggered by the cockpit fuel
> gauge reaching a certain level, or directly from the sensor(s) on the
> tank(s)?
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 7:43 PM Bruce Hart via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Was the door closed?
>> Check the door switch to be sure it is functioning properly.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 6:31 PM Bruce Hislop via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> DigiPanel has a loud alarm BEEP if there is something out of normal
>>> range... but you did not mention having a DigiPanel,so that can't be it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bruce Hislop
>>> ON Canada
>>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
>>> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
>>>
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>>
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> Center Point, TX 78010
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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350070 is a reply to message #350058] Tue, 12 November 2019 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GMC Cruse is currently offline  GMC Cruse   United States
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Vern:
I'm not sure if I understand what you did to try to access behind the upper dash. You do not have to remove the flat section with the gauges to get access to back of the dash. You can remove only the "turtle shell" portion and the see and reach behind the dash. There is one screw on the right side holding it in. The left side is a bit tight in getting it off between the windshield and front of the dash. With it off you should be able to locate the offending buzzer if it is behind the gauges.


Mike K. '75 PB Southeast Michigan
Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350071 is a reply to message #350069] Tue, 12 November 2019 22:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If I understand you correctly Emory,
there are two separate sets of wiring coming from the gas tanks, one to the
“low fuel” warning light and buzzer, and another sets of wiring to the fuel
gauge, both dependent on the rocker switch position (main or auxiliary).

Any ideas about testing for the possibility of that being the source of my
alarm problem? The fuel gauge appears to be operating as it should,
Indicating correct levels based on last fill-up.

Thanks,
Vern
——-
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 9:31 PM Emery Stora via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Vern
> Directly from the sensor in the tank. It will read the tank that is
> selected from the dash switch
>
>
> Emery Stora
>
>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Vern Crawford via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks again Bruce, but I've ruled that one out also. On my coach the
> door
>> is apparently not tied into a buzzer, however if the entry door is not
>> closed tightly the "Door" red TellTale remains lit with the ignition
> switch
>> in the 'on" position. I have verified the correct operation of the door
>> switch, which extinguishes the light, but the darn loud alarm keeps on
>> a'buzzing!
>>
>> Also thank you Steve for your suggestions. Earlier in the week Jim K.
> was
>> stumped when I called for possibilities to check, but suggested the "set
>> suspension..." possibility. Soon after purchasing the coach (3+ years
> and
>> 30,000+ miles ago) the suspension air lines sprung a leak, thus I closed
>> the valve on both sides, and rely on manually adding air as occasionally
>> needed to maintain correct ride height. Although we occasionally let out
>> air for a very un-level site, and the bring the pressure back up with an
>> auxiliary air source, we have never had a buzzer associated with the
>> suspension. Nonetheless I've tried both the "auto" and the "hold"
>> settings, plus the right and left pump rocker switches of the of the
>> compressor controls without having any luck in quieting the buzz. If
>> anyone knows a better way to test for the possibility the alarm is
> related
>> to the suspension ride height please let me know what else to test.
>>
>> Does anyone know if the "low fuel" warning is triggered by the cockpit
> fuel
>> gauge reaching a certain level, or directly from the sensor(s) on the
>> tank(s)?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 7:43 PM Bruce Hart via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Was the door closed?
>>> Check the door switch to be sure it is functioning properly.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 6:31 PM Bruce Hislop via Gmclist >> gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> DigiPanel has a loud alarm BEEP if there is something out of normal
>>>> range... but you did not mention having a DigiPanel,so that can't be
> it.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bruce Hislop
>>>> ON Canada
>>>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
>>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
>>>> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>> 1976 Palm Beach
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>>
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>> 155 JJ Lane
>> Center Point, TX 78010
>> (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350072 is a reply to message #350058] Tue, 12 November 2019 22:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SteveW is currently offline  SteveW   United States
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Vern -

If you're going to mess with removing the "turtle shell" dash cover - there's a trick to making it easier to (repeatedly) remove and install.

The trick involves trimming / notching the cover on the upper left corner so that it's easier to manipulate in the tight area where it's closest to the windshield...

There's a photo of it somewhere in the photo archives but I've been (so far) unable to locate it. I did it to my coach and it really helps.

Good luck... I'm pretty curious about this gremlin.

Steve W



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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350073 is a reply to message #350068] Wed, 13 November 2019 02:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Vern, the suspension reminder buzzer is not tied to anything in the
suspension system. It is a timed buzzer and dash light that comes on for a
few seconds every time you shift into Drive from Park, reminding you to put
the suspension in travel mode. It is switched on by a switch somewhere in
the shifter linkage, but I don’t know where. I suspect the timer is a
simple latching timer circuit, or even a thermal breaker that is reset when
shifted to park. A perusal of the circuit diagrams should sort that out.

I’m not sure it could cause your symptoms, unless it’s happening when you
shift into drive 40-55 seconds after starting the engine :)

Rick “but PO mods are unpredictable” Denney

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 9:48 PM Vern Crawford via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> ...
>
> Also thank you Steve for your suggestions. Earlier in the week Jim K. was
> stumped when I called for possibilities to check, but suggested the "set
> suspension..." possibility. Soon after purchasing the coach (3+ years and
> 30,000+ miles ago) the suspension air lines sprung a leak, thus I closed
> the valve on both sides, and rely on manually adding air as occasionally
> needed to maintain correct ride height. Although we occasionally let out
> air for a very un-level site, and the bring the pressure back up with an
> auxiliary air source, we have never had a buzzer associated with the
> suspension. Nonetheless I've tried both the "auto" and the "hold"
> settings, plus the right and left pump rocker switches of the of the
> compressor controls without having any luck in quieting the buzz. If
> anyone knows a better way to test for the possibility the alarm is related
> to the suspension ride height please let me know what else to test.
>
> --
'73 X-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
Northern Virginia
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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350075 is a reply to message #350058] Wed, 13 November 2019 07:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Reminder for "switch to travel" timer is triggered off a set of contacts on the neutral safety switch at column base. Sounds like the PO may have been hard of hearing and added an auxiliary reminder buzzer of some type. Visual inspection is best bet. It's pretty easy to tell add on wiring from GM wiring and carefully remove it. I've done this a few times with alarm systems. The pile of removed wiring can be remarkably large.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350077 is a reply to message #350058] Wed, 13 November 2019 08:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Vern can you see if anything was added to the steering column wires? Perhaps the PO added a "key in ignition" reminder? Or it could be a "headlight on" reminder? both of which have gone bad?

Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350078 is a reply to message #350072] Wed, 13 November 2019 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vern Crawford is currently offline  Vern Crawford   United States
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Thanks Steve W. And everyone else.

I’ll investigate the photo archives for tricks to removing the “turtle
shell.” Looks like a PO has already cut a notch out of the vertical
plastic part 45 degrees in the rounded driver’s side of the windshield.
I’ve tried removed all visible screws (two if I remember correctly) but the
cover appears to still be tightly held in place. Its removal should
certainly allow me to lay hands on the culprit!

A malfunctioning “timed” suspension reminder could possibly be the source,
or some other PO added warning contraption. The most interesting
characteristics are the consistently varied time delays of 18-40 seconds
explained in my original post.

I have to take a few hours to visit my primary MD to have my personal
“annual physical” inspection done. Last year I had to demonstrate the
ability to draw an analog clock ⏰ face displaying a quarter to 11:00. I’m
not sure if many folks under 30 years could draw it!

The weather should be a bit warmer when I return to the dash removal this
afternoon.

Again, thanks all,
Vern

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 10:56 PM Steve Weinstock via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Vern -
>
> If you're going to mess with removing the "turtle shell" dash cover -
> there's a trick to making it easier to (repeatedly) remove and install.
>
> The trick involves trimming / notching the cover on the upper left corner
> so that it's easier to manipulate in the tight area where it's closest to
> the windshield...
>
> There's a photo of it somewhere in the photo archives but I've been (so
> far) unable to locate it. I did it to my coach and it really helps.
>
> Good luck... I'm pretty curious about this gremlin.
>
> Steve W
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350079 is a reply to message #350058] Wed, 13 November 2019 09:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello again Vern -

Found it - but it sound's like your PO already did this:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/alternator-light-77-2f78/p2563.html

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/3258/258_p2563.jpg


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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350100 is a reply to message #350079] Wed, 13 November 2019 19:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Vern,

The back dash cover kind of snaps into a channel on the dash donut and clips into slots at the front near the windshield. Once you get that removed, it should be easy to locate the offending buzzer and disable it.

Once you get it off, cut it like the picture Steve shared (above) if it has not already been done. Makes it a lot easier to remove/replace whenever you need to get behind the gauges/controls, etc.


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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350101 is a reply to message #350100] Wed, 13 November 2019 20:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vern Crawford is currently offline  Vern Crawford   United States
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Thanks Carl,

I was in town today, and by the time I returned home it was both too late,
and the weather too cold to want to deal with the coach issue. 'Tis time
for homemade chicken soup and bread.

Tomorrow I shall follow your and other great GMCers advice. I'll again
tackle removal of the dome covering the wiring, using gentle but firm force
to get it off and out of the way. I'm certain of "where" the blasted
buzzer is, and that will clear the way for me to either demolish the noisy
rascal, or to be able to trace wiring revealing clues to what sets the
trigger, and take other corrective action.

With any good luck at all, my next post to this thread should be able to
report on my findings and resolution to the pesky gremlin.

With fingers crossed,
Vern



On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 7:24 PM Carl Stouffer via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Vern,
>
> The back dash cover kind of snaps into a channel on the dash donut and
> clips into slots at the front near the windshield. Once you get that
> removed,
> it should be easy to locate the offending buzzer and disable it.
>
> Once you get it off, cut it like the picture Steve shared (above) if it
> has not already been done. Makes it a lot easier to remove/replace whenever
> you need to get behind the gauges/controls, etc.
> --
> Carl Stouffer
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive,
> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
> Eagles,
> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350102 is a reply to message #350101] Wed, 13 November 2019 20:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike Kelley is currently offline  Mike Kelley   United States
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Good Luck Vern:
We are follows this saga w/ Gr8 interest.
The previous owner.
Mike/The Corvair a holic

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> On Nov 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Vern Crawford via Gmclist wrote:
>
> Thanks Carl,
>
> I was in town today, and by the time I returned home it was both too late,
> and the weather too cold to want to deal with the coach issue. 'Tis time
> for homemade chicken soup and bread.
>
> Tomorrow I shall follow your and other great GMCers advice. I'll again
> tackle removal of the dome covering the wiring, using gentle but firm force
> to get it off and out of the way. I'm certain of "where" the blasted
> buzzer is, and that will clear the way for me to either demolish the noisy
> rascal, or to be able to trace wiring revealing clues to what sets the
> trigger, and take other corrective action.
>
> With any good luck at all, my next post to this thread should be able to
> report on my findings and resolution to the pesky gremlin.
>
> With fingers crossed,
> Vern
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 7:24 PM Carl Stouffer via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Vern,
>>
>> The back dash cover kind of snaps into a channel on the dash donut and
>> clips into slots at the front near the windshield. Once you get that
>> removed,
>> it should be easy to locate the offending buzzer and disable it.
>>
>> Once you get it off, cut it like the picture Steve shared (above) if it
>> has not already been done. Makes it a lot easier to remove/replace whenever
>> you need to get behind the gauges/controls, etc.
>> --
>> Carl Stouffer
>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>> Tucson, AZ.
>> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive,
>> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
>> Eagles,
>> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
>>
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>
>
> --
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> 155 JJ Lane
> Center Point, TX 78010
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Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm? [message #350103 is a reply to message #350101] Wed, 13 November 2019 20:49 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Mike Kelley is currently offline  Mike Kelley   United States
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Vern:
Oops - follows should read following!
Mike

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> On Nov 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Vern Crawford via Gmclist wrote:
>
> Thanks Carl,
>
> I was in town today, and by the time I returned home it was both too late,
> and the weather too cold to want to deal with the coach issue. 'Tis time
> for homemade chicken soup and bread.
>
> Tomorrow I shall follow your and other great GMCers advice. I'll again
> tackle removal of the dome covering the wiring, using gentle but firm force
> to get it off and out of the way. I'm certain of "where" the blasted
> buzzer is, and that will clear the way for me to either demolish the noisy
> rascal, or to be able to trace wiring revealing clues to what sets the
> trigger, and take other corrective action.
>
> With any good luck at all, my next post to this thread should be able to
> report on my findings and resolution to the pesky gremlin.
>
> With fingers crossed,
> Vern
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 7:24 PM Carl Stouffer via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Vern,
>>
>> The back dash cover kind of snaps into a channel on the dash donut and
>> clips into slots at the front near the windshield. Once you get that
>> removed,
>> it should be easy to locate the offending buzzer and disable it.
>>
>> Once you get it off, cut it like the picture Steve shared (above) if it
>> has not already been done. Makes it a lot easier to remove/replace whenever
>> you need to get behind the gauges/controls, etc.
>> --
>> Carl Stouffer
>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>> Tucson, AZ.
>> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive,
>> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
>> Eagles,
>> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>>
>
>
> --
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> 155 JJ Lane
> Center Point, TX 78010
> (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
> (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
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