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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349442 is a reply to message #349441] |
Sat, 19 October 2019 20:38   |
Dolph Santorine
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That’s a nice piece of work.
Preserving the stock lower control arm is a real plus.
It’s a lot more than “plug and play”, though, and looks like it would stay in alignment nicely.
Dolph
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> On Oct 19, 2019, at 8:18 PM, Ken Henderson via Gmclist wrote:
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> I just stumbled across this album:
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6085-1-ton-suspension.html
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> I'm really curious about how that upgrade is performing, but I've been
> unable to find a name for "tequilla". If anyone knows him, please ask him
> to contact me directly if he wants to remain anonymous -- or post here if
> not.
>
> Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349445 is a reply to message #349442] |
Sun, 20 October 2019 00:15 |
Hal StClair
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I've been working on this myself but have been looking at using the LCA also. The lowers are a real problem as the forward end of the arm lands right about where the cross member is. It might be possible yet with a little re engineering of the cross member but I'm not sure if it's worth the effort. It would open up being able to use the TB's from an awful lot of trucks out there with little effort. We'll see...
Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349453 is a reply to message #349448] |
Sun, 20 October 2019 11:59 |
James Hupy
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If you are talking about "bowtie mad" he is a Western States and Sugarro
Jetsetter, Steve Ferguson. Long time member. Bright guy. Friend. He was at
7-feathers Rally this month.
Jim Hupy
Salem,Oregon
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 4:40 AM Bruce Hislop via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> I had posted a link to his camber change graph in a thread back in about
> 2015. At that time I posted that I didn't know who he was, but no one
> mentioned anything more in that thread either.
>
> From his other photos, he appears to be a member of the 49er's.
>
> I'd like to hear how it turned out as well.
>
> --
> Bruce Hislop
> ON Canada
> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349454 is a reply to message #349453] |
Sun, 20 October 2019 12:40 |
Ken Henderson
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I'd no idea Steve did that. I'm surprised at the different nickname
because he was never reluctant to share his projects under "botiemad".
Ken H.
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 12:57 PM James Hupy via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> If you are talking about "bowtie mad" he is a Western States and Sugarro
> Jetsetter, Steve Ferguson. Long time member. Bright guy. Friend. He was at
> 7-feathers Rally this month.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem,Oregon
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 4:40 AM Bruce Hislop via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> I had posted a link to his camber change graph in a thread back in about
>> 2015. At that time I posted that I didn't know who he was, but no one
>> mentioned anything more in that thread either.
>>
>> From his other photos, he appears to be a member of the 49er's.
>>
>> I'd like to hear how it turned out as well.
>>
>> --
>> Bruce Hislop
>> ON Canada
>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
>> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349455 is a reply to message #349453] |
Sun, 20 October 2019 12:53 |
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Jim: I don't believe Steve is who Ken is looking for. It from a search it appears "tiquilla" is from Canada, has a black over blue 26 footer with the new windows with small openings at bottom and Rob Mueller helped him install new cabinets in it.
James Hupy wrote on Sun, 20 October 2019 12:59If you are talking about "bowtie mad" he is a Western States and Sugarro
Jetsetter, Steve Ferguson. Long time member. Bright guy. Friend. He was at
7-feathers Rally this month.
Jim Hupy
Salem,Oregon
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 4:40 AM Bruce Hislop via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> I had posted a link to his camber change graph in a thread back in about
> 2015. At that time I posted that I didn't know who he was, but no one
> mentioned anything more in that thread either.
>
> From his other photos, he appears to be a member of the 49er's.
>
> I'd like to hear how it turned out as well.
>
> --
> Bruce Hislop
> ON Canada
> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349456 is a reply to message #349455] |
Sun, 20 October 2019 13:00 |
James Hupy
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O.K. I was going by the bowtie handle. Never seen Tequila that I can
remember.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 10:53 AM Mike via Gmclist
wrote:
> Jim: I don't believe Steve is who Ken is looking for. It from a search it
> appears "tiquilla" is from Canada, has a black over blue 26 footer with the
> new windows with small openings at bottom and Rob Mueller helped him
> install new cabinets in it.
>
> James Hupy wrote on Sun, 20 October 2019 12:59
>> If you are talking about "bowtie mad" he is a Western States and Sugarro
>> Jetsetter, Steve Ferguson. Long time member. Bright guy. Friend. He was
> at
>> 7-feathers Rally this month.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem,Oregon
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 4:40 AM Bruce Hislop via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>>> I had posted a link to his camber change graph in a thread back in
> about
>>> 2015. At that time I posted that I didn't know who he was, but no one
>>> mentioned anything more in that thread either.
>>>
>>> From his other photos, he appears to be a member of the 49er's.
>>>
>>> I'd like to hear how it turned out as well.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bruce Hislop
>>> ON Canada
>>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
>>> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
>>>
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> Southeast Michigan
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349467 is a reply to message #349465] |
Sun, 20 October 2019 17:11 |
Hal StClair
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Be sure to update us when you hear back from him Ken. I'm very interested in how it worked.
Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349473 is a reply to message #349445] |
Sun, 20 October 2019 23:32 |
Bill Van Vlack
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Hal StClair wrote on Sun, 20 October 2019 00:15 It would open up being able to use the TB's from an awful lot of trucks out there with little effort. We'll see...
Hal
Hi Hal,
What's a TB?
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid November 2015.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349486 is a reply to message #349473] |
Mon, 21 October 2019 10:07 |
Hal StClair
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Bill Van Vlack wrote on Sun, 20 October 2019 22:32Hal StClair wrote on Sun, 20 October 2019 00:15 It would open up being able to use the TB's from an awful lot of trucks out there with little effort. We'll see...
Hal
Hi Hal,
What's a TB?
Sorry, I should probably be more specific and not use abbreviations. TB = Torsion Bar, LCR = Lower control arm.
Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349489 is a reply to message #349467] |
Mon, 21 October 2019 10:30 |
lqqkatjon
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is this basically the same thing that Bob Drewes did on his coach(now Keith/Kim Weeks coach). If I remember way back- it worked out well, but the accuracy needed in the mounting/welding of the brackets to the frame was not something one could easily mass replicate.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349494 is a reply to message #349441] |
Mon, 21 October 2019 11:09 |
jhbridges
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If you ever end up in the same place as Bob Dunahugh, let some of his driver friends try the coach out. They favored the original over the 'manny' one ton front end. With relocated control arms, they might like this one ton better.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349496 is a reply to message #349489] |
Mon, 21 October 2019 11:29 |
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lqqkatjon wrote on Mon, 21 October 2019 11:30is this basically the same thing that Bob Drewes did on his coach(now Keith/Kim Weeks coach). If I remember way back- it worked out well, but the accuracy needed in the mounting/welding of the brackets to the frame was not something one could easily mass replicate.
If this was a good swap one could make the mounts bolt and weld in....engineered correctly it could be bolted into the original mounts for aligment purpose then welded.
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349512 is a reply to message #349494] |
Mon, 21 October 2019 18:19 |
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To all:
Bob Drews and Dave Lenzi worked on the modified A arms. As far as I know Bob was the only one who actually built them, and they would be on Kim Weeks coach if he actually installed them. I sat thru the seminar that Bob did and his comments as I remember were that the attachment points on the chassis are not all created equal, depending on who was welding the front suspension parts to the chassis. There was a discussion of a Jig arrangement to position the mounting points. I do not remember any handouts and I looked in my files and came up empty so far.
J.R. Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMC Eastern States Charter Member
GMCMI
78 GMC Buskirk 29.5’ Stretch
75 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
> On Oct 21, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist wrote:
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> If you ever end up in the same place as Bob Dunahugh, let some of his driver friends try the coach out. They favored the original over the 'manny'
> one ton front end. With relocated control arms, they might like this one ton better.
>
> --johnny
> --
> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349698 is a reply to message #349441] |
Sat, 26 October 2019 19:46 |
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Hello Ken,
Tequilla, that would be me. My reason for modifying the front end was that my coach wandered,
and did not go straight and required constant steering corrections with the One-Ton front end.
I thought if I copied the upper control arm geometry from the K2500/3500 Suburban, it would track better.
The short answer is that it now tracks straight and is not affected much by crosswinds or when
the body rolls when going through turns. But it was a lot of work.
I started by making mounting plates from 3/16" hot rolled steel and temporarily bolting them in place
before welding them to the frame. I made temporary bolt-on plates to check the alignment.
The temporary plates were tack welded to the old upper control arm mounting brackets.
Basically it involved cutting off the old upper mounting brackets and welding on new ones.
That solved the camber change problem. But then I encountered a toe-change problem.
The new geometry caused the front suspension to toe-in when braking. This is because the
GMC Motorhome tie rod is lower than the K2500 tie-rod location. To remedy this problem,
I installed a Speedway Motors bump steer kit to lower the tierod ends 5/8".
No more toe-in under braking.
But I now have Heim Joints and Chrysler adjusting sleeves instead of tierod ends.
I would describe the handling as "it wants to go straight", feels like more under-steer in turns.
And the body roll does not cause it to steer into the turn. Feels like a driving a Suburban.
So far no problems in 3 years.
Regards, Bill
Bill Wevers GMC49ers, GMC Western States
1975 Glenbrook - Manny Powerdrive, OneTon
455 F Block, G heads
San Jose
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tequilla's 1-Ton Suspension [message #349700 is a reply to message #349698] |
Sat, 26 October 2019 20:13 |
Ken Henderson
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Bill,
Thanks a bunch for your detailed reply. While I'm not unhappy with my
1-Ton's steering, I do wish I had the energy, equipment, and, mostly,
skills, to do what you've done. Looking at your album, it's obviously not
something that can easily be "kit-ized". Too bad.
I'm sure many others were glad to get your report.
Ken H.
On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 8:47 PM Bill Wevers via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Ken,
> Tequilla, that would be me. My reason for modifying the front end was that
> my coach wandered,
> and did not go straight and required constant steering corrections with
> the One-Ton front end.
> I thought if I copied the upper control arm geometry from the K2500/3500
> Suburban, it would track better.
>
> The short answer is that it now tracks straight and is not affected much
> by crosswinds or when
> the body rolls when going through turns. But it was a lot of work.
>
> I started by making mounting plates from 3/16" hot rolled steel and
> temporarily bolting them in place
> before welding them to the frame. I made temporary bolt-on plates to check
> the alignment.
> The temporary plates were tack welded to the old upper control arm
> mounting brackets.
> Basically it involved cutting off the old upper mounting brackets and
> welding on new ones.
>
> That solved the camber change problem. But then I encountered a toe-change
> problem.
> The new geometry caused the front suspension to toe-in when braking. This
> is because the
> GMC Motorhome tie rod is lower than the K2500 tie-rod location. To remedy
> this problem,
> I installed a Speedway Motors bump steer kit to lower the tierod ends 5/8".
> No more toe-in under braking.
>
> But I now have Heim Joints and Chrysler adjusting sleeves instead of
> tierod ends.
> I would describe the handling as "it wants to go straight", feels like
> more under-steer in turns.
> And the body roll does not cause it to steer into the turn. Feels like a
> driving a Suburban.
>
> So far no problems in 3 years.
> Regards, Bill
>
>
>
> --
> Bill Wevers GMC49ers, GMC Western States
> 1975 Glenbrook - Manny Powerdrive, OneTon
> 455 F Block, G heads
> San Jose
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