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Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Well I spent parts of the last few days getting my coach ready to go to Mansfield early Wednesday. Typical stuff Grease, air, fix a few things etc. This evening in my hangar, I pronounced it ready to go and headed home.

What is this?

The temp gage says 3/4 scale using the NAPA TS6469 sensor.
By the time I got 11 miles to home it says 7/8 and the oil pressure at an idle is 1/2 normal.

I just parked it in the drive at 11:15 PM and did no diagnosis.

Lot of things it could be:

1. Electrical Have to check alternator voltage
2. Bad connection
3. Bad sensor (NAPA does not stock it.) AZ has the Wells substitute.
4. Thermostat
4. Low on coolant but the low coolant light is not lighted.
5. Blown head gasket. I always think the worse.

I am sure there are many more possibilities.

It is out there cooling off. I am committed tomorrow already. Wednesday I was suppose to leave for Mansfield.

Oh well, we will have to see what is happening. Think I'll get a snack and go to bed.




Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: I can not win [message #348754 is a reply to message #348752] Tue, 01 October 2019 03:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken sounds like you have possibly a stuck or lazy thermostat....low on fluid just doesnt sound like something you"d miss.

Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: [GMCnet] I can not win [message #348756 is a reply to message #348754] Tue, 01 October 2019 05:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fan clutch?

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 2:24 AM tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist <
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> Ken sounds like you have possibly a stuck or lazy thermostat....low on
> fluid just doesnt sound like something you"d miss.
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Re: [GMCnet] I can not win [message #348801 is a reply to message #348756] Tue, 01 October 2019 18:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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It took 2.5 gallons to full it up. The water was leaking down from the front of the engine. I had other things I had to do today so I left it at that point. Stopped by Pep Boys and got a Cardone Select 21118H pump in case I need it. I will look at it later tonight. I am pretty sure it is the pump but it could be a hose in that area leaking.

Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] I can not win [message #348827 is a reply to message #348801] Wed, 02 October 2019 15:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LNelson is currently offline  LNelson   United States
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Ken, you are probably on your way to OHIO, but your troubles caused me to walk 1.5 miles to my local Pep Buys (uphill) to buy one of those Cardone Select water pumps for replacing mine that is starting to make a little noise. When I got there (Pep Boys), I stood at the parts counter and a guy yelled (from the front of the store) "need something sir". I said that I needed some help unless I could have access to his shelving behind the counter. I handed him the number of the pump and said it wasn't in his system. I said I knew somebody that picked one up in Illinois just yesterday. That was when he said "well, that might be, but we are closing up". Nov 15 = last day for Pep Boys in Springfield, MO. They will be a BIG LOSS......NOT!! I would not have walked in there if you had not mentioned them in some other post. They are terrible and good riddance. Not of fan of the home town Irish Boys as they go to the computer and know nothing else. Wish we had a NAPA. Anyway, I had to walk 1.5 back home (uphill) and I think it was starting to snow. (I lied about the snow).

Larry Nelson Springfield, MO Ex GMC'er, then GM Busnut now '77 Eleganza ARS WB0JOT

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Re: [GMCnet] I can not win [message #348828 is a reply to message #348827] Wed, 02 October 2019 15:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Barefoot?

LNelson wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:13
Ken, you are probably on your way to OHIO, but your troubles caused me to walk 1.5 miles to my local Pep Buys (uphill) to buy one of those Cardone Select water pumps for replacing mine that is starting to make a little noise. When I got there (Pep Boys), I stood at the parts counter and a guy yelled (from the front of the store) "need something sir". I said that I needed some help unless I could have access to his shelving behind the counter. I handed him the number of the pump and said it wasn't in his system. I said I knew somebody that picked one up in Illinois just yesterday. That was when he said "well, that might be, but we are closing up". Nov 15 = last day for Pep Boys in Springfield, MO. They will be a BIG LOSS......NOT!! I would not have walked in there if you had not mentioned them in some other post. They are terrible and good riddance. Not of fan of the home town Irish Boys as they go to the computer and know nothing else. Wish we had a NAPA. Anyway, I had to walk 1.5 back home (uphill) and I think it was starting to snow. (I lied about the snow).


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Re: [GMCnet] I can not win [message #348829 is a reply to message #348828] Wed, 02 October 2019 15:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LNelson is currently offline  LNelson   United States
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YES!! I forgot about being barefoot. Laughing Plus, not sure, but I think it was 2 miles to get back home.

Larry Nelson Springfield, MO Ex GMC'er, then GM Busnut now '77 Eleganza ARS WB0JOT
Re: I can not win [message #348840 is a reply to message #348752] Wed, 02 October 2019 18:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Against the wind in torrential rain?

Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: I can not win [message #348842 is a reply to message #348752] Wed, 02 October 2019 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SteveW is currently offline  SteveW   United States
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Larry -

How can it be uphill both ways ??

C'mon man - You've got to get up pretty early to think we'll fall for that one.

Smile
Steve W


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Re: [GMCnet] I can not win [message #348845 is a reply to message #348829] Wed, 02 October 2019 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I caught the up hill in both directions. I spent most of the day installing it. This is the 3 time in 10 years. All of them were large impeller NAPA pumps. All of them failed the same way. The front seal. The first 2lasted 2 years each. This one lasted about 6 years. No more NAPA pumps for me.

I am not finished. The pump on and now I need to go remount the power steering bracket and fan. I intend to go back out there tonight and finish. I hope.

I am also not a fan of Pep Boys but I got the pump that I wanted.

I'm sorry about the long walk up hill both directions for nothing.

Anytime I work on something it is always uphill and I need to do everything at least 2 times. I also find at least two other things broken.



Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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Re: [GMCnet] I can not win [message #348846 is a reply to message #348842] Wed, 02 October 2019 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When you are dragging 70 or 80, ALL walks are uphill both ways!

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Larry -

How can it be uphill both ways ??

C'mon man - You've got to get up pretty early to think we'll fall for that one.

:)
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Re: [GMCnet] I can not win [message #348884 is a reply to message #348845] Fri, 04 October 2019 08:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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KenB,
Out of curiosity, do you run waterpump lube in your coolant? I wonder if it would help with your WP seal longevity issue?

We have an old 1957 401 Unimog that gets run very infrequently. Without WP lube, the pump would develop a leak within a few years of replacement. With lube, the last pump has survived for over 20 years and just recently developed an occasional drip.

Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'


> On Oct 2, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Ken Burton via Gmclist wrote:
>
> I caught the up hill in both directions. I spent most of the day installing it. This is the 3 time in 10 years. All of them were large impeller
> NAPA pumps. All of them failed the same way. The front seal. The first 2lasted 2 years each. This one lasted about 6 years. No more NAPA pumps
> for me.
>
> I am not finished. The pump on and now I need to go remount the power steering bracket and fan. I intend to go back out there tonight and finish.
> I hope.
>
> I am also not a fan of Pep Boys but I got the pump that I wanted.
>
> I'm sorry about the long walk up hill both directions for nothing.
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> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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Re: [GMCnet] I can not win [message #348886 is a reply to message #348884] Fri, 04 October 2019 08:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I remember the days when water pumps were easily rebuildable with
affordable DIY kits. Many of them had a greasing cup that you would give a
quarter turn once in a while that would squeeze a bit of grease into the
seal, or lacking that cup, had a grease zerk fitting.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019, 6:33 AM Les Burt via Gmclist
wrote:

> KenB,
> Out of curiosity, do you run waterpump lube in your coolant? I wonder if
> it would help with your WP seal longevity issue?
>
> We have an old 1957 401 Unimog that gets run very infrequently. Without WP
> lube, the pump would develop a leak within a few years of replacement. With
> lube, the last pump has survived for over 20 years and just recently
> developed an occasional drip.
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
> '75 Eleganza 26'
>
>
>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Ken Burton via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I caught the up hill in both directions. I spent most of the day
> installing it. This is the 3 time in 10 years. All of them were large
> impeller
>> NAPA pumps. All of them failed the same way. The front seal. The
> first 2lasted 2 years each. This one lasted about 6 years. No more NAPA
> pumps
>> for me.
>>
>> I am not finished. The pump on and now I need to go remount the power
> steering bracket and fan. I intend to go back out there tonight and
> finish.
>> I hope.
>>
>> I am also not a fan of Pep Boys but I got the pump that I wanted.
>>
>> I'm sorry about the long walk up hill both directions for nothing.
>
>> --
>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>> 76 Palm Beach
>> Hebron, Indiana
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Re: [GMCnet] I can not win [message #348910 is a reply to message #348886] Fri, 04 October 2019 20:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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James Hupy wrote on Fri, 04 October 2019 09:44
I remember the days when water pumps were easily rebuildable with affordable DIY kits. Many of them had a greasing cup that you would give a quarter turn once in a while that would squeeze a bit of grease into the seal, or lacking that cup, had a grease zerk fitting.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
Nothing personal Jim, but you are old. Those were only on the oldest of the marine engines that I started dealing with in the early 60s. No telling how old the engines were......

With all love and respect.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] I can not win [message #348915 is a reply to message #348910] Fri, 04 October 2019 21:28 Go to previous message
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Old??? Surely you jest. I remember a 1934 Plymouth, and a 1940 Pontiac as
having those grease fittings. That was only in the last Century. That's not
old.
(grin)
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 6:51 PM Matt Colie via Gmclist <
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> James Hupy wrote on Fri, 04 October 2019 09:44
>> I remember the days when water pumps were easily rebuildable with
> affordable DIY kits. Many of them had a greasing cup that you would give a
>> quarter turn once in a while that would squeeze a bit of grease into the
> seal, or lacking that cup, had a grease zerk fitting.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>
> Nothing personal Jim, but you are old. Those were only on the oldest of
> the marine engines that I started dealing with in the early 60s. No telling
> how old the engines were......
>
> With all love and respect.
>
> Matt
>
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