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Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347167] Sun, 01 September 2019 15:37 Go to next message
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Do all units have the roof weither they have a single A/c unit or 2?

Im concidering possibly putting a second unit on but it currently only has one central unit.


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: [GMCnet] Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347168 is a reply to message #347167] Sun, 01 September 2019 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The roofs on the 26’ are typically the same.you have a front vent fan, AC unit and in the rear a rear vent fan. The rear opening where the vent fan is located also has a power wire located in the foam insulation. When you remove the rear vent fan in is there. Unless your going to spend time in Hot Humid weather then a good 15.5 BYU unit should fit your needs.

JR Wright
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> On Sep 1, 2019, at 4:37 PM, tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist wrote:
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> Do all units have the roof weither they have a single A/c unit or 2?
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> Im concidering possibly putting a second unit on but it currently only has one central unit.
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Re: Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347169 is a reply to message #347167] Sun, 01 September 2019 16:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rich, Some, like my Canyonlands, came without a rear vent or A/C. There is however, the framing and wiring to install a fan or A/C under the skin.

6cuda6 wrote on Sun, 01 September 2019 13:37
Do all units have the roof weither they have a single A/c unit or 2?

Im concidering possibly putting a second unit on but it currently only has one central unit.


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Re: Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347170 is a reply to message #347169] Sun, 01 September 2019 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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my 77 didn't have any wiring or framing for the rear AC.
just a hole with the vent van.
I had to use some aluminum 1-1/2 x 1 " L to frame it and ran a wire to the fuse box .

All day affair. Had 3 of my kids and one granddaughter to help.

pjburt wrote on Sun, 01 September 2019 16:48
Rich, Some, like my Canyonlands, came without a rear vent or A/C. There is however, the framing and wiring to install a fan or A/C under the skin.

6cuda6 wrote on Sun, 01 September 2019 13:37
Do all units have the roof weither they have a single A/c unit or 2?

Im concidering possibly putting a second unit on but it currently only has one central unit.


1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
Re: Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347171 is a reply to message #347170] Sun, 01 September 2019 17:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mghamms wrote on Sun, 01 September 2019 18:31
my 77 didn't have any wiring or framing for the rear AC.
just a hole with the vent van.
I had to use some aluminum 1-1/2 x 1 " L to frame it and ran a wire to the fuse box .

All day affair. Had 3 of my kids and one granddaughter to help.

pjburt wrote on Sun, 01 September 2019 16:48
Rich, Some, like my Canyonlands, came without a rear vent or A/C. There is however, the framing and wiring to install a fan or A/C under the skin.

6cuda6 wrote on Sun, 01 September 2019 13:37
Do all units have the roof weither they have a single A/c unit or 2?

Im concidering possibly putting a second unit on but it currently only has one central unit.
Sounds like a fun day to me Smile


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347172 is a reply to message #347167] Sun, 01 September 2019 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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6cuda6 wrote on Sun, 01 September 2019 16:37
Do all units have the roof weither they have a single A/c unit or 2?

Im concidering possibly putting a second unit on but it currently only has one central unit.
Rich
This is a link to drawings of the various models.
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Re: [GMCnet] Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347174 is a reply to message #347171] Sun, 01 September 2019 17:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Majority of GM coaches located the front one toward the center so it can
cool the rear as well as the front.
Royal models mounted the front ones further forward .
Look out on rear A/C mounting as the Ladder railing might need to be
moved.Not a hard project.

On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 3:34 PM tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist <
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> mghamms wrote on Sun, 01 September 2019 18:31
>> my 77 didn't have any wiring or framing for the rear AC.
>> just a hole with the vent van.
>> I had to use some aluminum 1-1/2 x 1 " L to frame it and ran a wire to
> the fuse box .
>>
>> All day affair. Had 3 of my kids and one granddaughter to help.
>>
>> pjburt wrote on Sun, 01 September 2019 16:48
>>> Rich, Some, like my Canyonlands, came without a rear vent or A/C.
> There is however, the framing and wiring to install a fan or A/C under the
>>> skin.
>>>
>>> 6cuda6 wrote on Sun, 01 September 2019 13:37
>>>> Do all units have the roof weither they have a single A/c unit or 2?
>>>>
>>>> Im concidering possibly putting a second unit on but it currently
> only has one central unit.
>
> Sounds like a fun day to me :)
>
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Re: Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347175 is a reply to message #347167] Sun, 01 September 2019 18:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My 77 E2 has 2 GM installed DuoTherm units. The front unit has higher BTU rating than the rear. The front unit is taller with an added aluminum ring at base of shroud to fit the taller condenser coil on back of unit.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
Re: Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347191 is a reply to message #347175] Mon, 02 September 2019 05:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Our 76 Eleganza II has two DuoTherm units front and rear. The rear unit does interfear with the original rear-ladder/railing. In our case the piece that goes from the left had ladder rail to the railing section that goes across the back is missing. I think that the second unit was added some time after production, since I would assume that during production they would have move this railing section backward to clear the unit. Additionally the roof cross bracing is not the same. For the front unit the unit is boxed in with aluminum ribs while in the rear, the unit has small aluminum stand-off's like the front vent fan has to keep the unit's inside surface flush with the cieling. I currently have the cieling removed if anyone would like pictures.

Rich Kinas
76 Elaganza II
Orlando, FL


Rich Kinas 1976 Elaganza II Orlando, FL
Re: Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347301 is a reply to message #347191] Wed, 04 September 2019 06:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rich Kinas wrote on Mon, 02 September 2019 06:31
Our 76 Eleganza II has two DuoTherm units front and rear. The rear unit does interfear with the original rear-ladder/railing. In our case the piece that goes from the left had ladder rail to the railing section that goes across the back is missing. I think that the second unit was added some time after production, since I would assume that during production they would have move this railing section backward to clear the unit. Additionally the roof cross bracing is not the same. For the front unit the unit is boxed in with aluminum ribs while in the rear, the unit has small aluminum stand-off's like the front vent fan has to keep the unit's inside surface flush with the cieling. I currently have the cieling removed if anyone would like pictures.

Rich Kinas
76 Elaganza II
Orlando, FL
Rich if you get a chance could you send a couple pics....i have a Hughes coach which started as a transmode as you guys know so im worried that im opening up a can of worms by thinking of installing dual units.


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347304 is a reply to message #347301] Wed, 04 September 2019 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'll take some pictures tonight and post them. Also I was checking out the GMC Assembly manual which clearly shows that the single front A/C unit would be identified as RPO "CNL" and the Twin roof mounted units as RPO "CNV". The specification decal on the inside of the glove box for our 76 Elaganza II shows "CNL602" which seems to verify only front roof mounted installed at factory. Also if you look at UPC 1C3 sheet 1 in the assembly manual you can see front and rear "hatch opening" where the A/C's mount. Also RPO UNR (UPC 1K3 sheet 29) is prewire Regular Production Option for rear roof mounted Air Conditioner. Your glove box sheet would show this option if the coach originally was wired this way.

Rich



Rich Kinas 1976 Elaganza II Orlando, FL
Re: Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347354 is a reply to message #347167] Wed, 04 September 2019 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rich my 2 OEM DuoTherm units fit with the full ladder and railing system.

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Re: [GMCnet] Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347358 is a reply to message #347304] Wed, 04 September 2019 22:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The 26” roof structure is the same in all the coach bodies. That means that there are 3 areas of the roof structure that you can mount either a vent fan assembly or an AC unit along the centerline of the roof. Typically the coach comes with a vent fan in the front location and rear location with an AC mounted in the center location. A 12/2 W/GRN is run to the middle opening and the rear opening has a 12/2t W/GRN in the foam coiled up, you have to kind of dig it out. The rear wiring is not terminated in the CB box, but coiled up inside the box. Most coaches only came with a center air and front and rear vent fans. A limited number had twin AC units with the front being a15500BTU and the rear a 13500 BTU unit. The wiring varies depending if you have 50 or 30 amp shore cable. For the coaches that have been converted to 30 amp power cords you can only run one AC unit. Coaches that have the 30 amp cord typically run a separate 20 amp cable that provides power to the rear AC unit on it own circuit if so equipped with second AC. The 50 amp cord can be your friend.

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> On Sep 4, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Rich Kinas via Gmclist wrote:
>
> I'll take some pictures tonight and post them. Also I was checking out the GMC Assembly manual which clearly shows that the single front A/C unit
> would be identified as RPO "CNL" and the Twin roof mounted units as RPO "CNV". The specification decal on the inside of the glove box for our 76
> Elaganza II shows "CNL602" which seems to verify only front roof mounted installed at factory. Also if you look at UPC 1C3 sheet 1 in the assembly
> manual you can see front and rear "hatch opening" where the A/C's mount. Also RPO UNR (UPC 1K3 sheet 29) is prewire Regular Production Option for rear
> roof mounted Air Conditioner. Your glove box sheet would show this option if the coach originally was wired this way.
>
> Rich
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Re: Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347359 is a reply to message #347354] Wed, 04 September 2019 22:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was just looking at the '76 maintenance manual (available from bdub.net <http://www.bdub.net/manuals/index.html> and it shows a diagram of the structure including roof ribbing. It might be worth a look.
http://www.bdub.net/manuals/index.html


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Re: Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347384 is a reply to message #347359] Thu, 05 September 2019 12:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So I have posted two pictures one of my front A/C support structure and one of the rear A/C lack of support structure.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p66618-front-ac-support-ribs.html

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p66619-rear-ac-support-missing.html

Interesting.... John can you take a pic of the rear of your coach showing how the rear A/C unit clears the ladder railing?

Thanks,

Rich


Rich Kinas 1976 Elaganza II Orlando, FL
Re: [GMCnet] Do all the 26' units have the same roof ? [message #347391 is a reply to message #347358] Thu, 05 September 2019 12:52 Go to previous message
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powwerjon wrote on Wed, 04 September 2019 23:24
The 26" roof structure is the same in all the coach bodies. That means that there are 3 areas of the roof structure that you can mount either a vent fan assembly or an AC unit along the centerline of the roof. Typically the coach comes with a vent fan in the front location and rear location with an AC mounted in the center location. A 12/2 W/GRN is run to the middle opening and the rear opening has a 12/2t W/GRN in the foam coiled up, you have to kind of dig it out. The rear wiring is not terminated in the CB box, but coiled up inside the box. Most coaches only came with a center air and front and rear vent fans. A limited number had twin AC units with the front being a15500BTU and the rear a 13500 BTU unit. The wiring varies depending if you have 50 or 30 amp shore cable. For the coaches that have been converted to 30 amp power cords you can only run one AC unit. Coaches that have the 30 amp cord typically run a separate 20 amp cable that provides power to the rear AC unit on it own circuit if so equipped with second AC. The 50 amp cord can be your friend.

J.R. Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMC Eastern States Charter Member
GMCMI
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75 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
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> On Sep 4, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Rich Kinas via Gmclist wrote:
>
> I'll take some pictures tonight and post them. Also I was checking out the GMC Assembly manual which clearly shows that the single front A/C unit
> would be identified as RPO "CNL" and the Twin roof mounted units as RPO "CNV". The specification decal on the inside of the glove box for our 76
> Elaganza II shows "CNL602" which seems to verify only front roof mounted installed at factory. Also if you look at UPC 1C3 sheet 1 in the assembly
> manual you can see front and rear "hatch opening" where the A/C's mount. Also RPO UNR (UPC 1K3 sheet 29) is prewire Regular Production Option for rear
> roof mounted Air Conditioner. Your glove box sheet would show this option if the coach originally was wired this way.
>
> Rich
>
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J.R. so im assuming you mean the shore cable was a 50amp for dual A/C factory and not 2 separate shore cables.....so 50amp to the box then a feed for front air that was 30amp and then a feed for rear air that was 20amp?


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
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