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| [GMCnet] Gasket dressing yes or no? [message #346454] |
Wed, 14 August 2019 17:58  |
David
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I am 2 years into ownership of my GMC Coach and it is time for me to
drain the transmission fluid, replace the filter and restore it to
service. I also wish to drain the final drive and give it fresh oil. I
am not a mechanic but I do manage to change the engine oil, rotate the
tires and cope with roadside failures reasonably well.
The transmission filter kit I have from WIX (P/N 58882) includes a
rubber gasket. The gasket I removed from the transmission pan today was
fiber, and seemed to have no gasket dressing on it at all. (This may
have explained why I had a continuous weeping of transmission oil and
wet pan exterior.) I have cleaned the pan gasket face and note there
are lateral scratches like glacial striations faintly visible. (This
too may have contributed to the fluid escape.) I do hope to achieve a
dry transmission pan exterior when this job is done.
My question for gmclist is this; Will I be pleased, or will I regret,
using gasket dressing on either or both sides of the rubber transmission
pan gasket? A supplementary question in a similar vein concerns the
Felpro fiber gasket I have to install on the final drive pan/housing.
Yes or no to gasket dressing?
The gasket dressing I thought I'd use is Permatex Anaerobic Flange
Sealer and Gasket Dressing.
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75 Transmode - Norris Homes Upfitter
Keewatin, Northwest Ontario
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| Re: [GMCnet] Gasket dressing yes or no? [message #346460 is a reply to message #346454] |
Thu, 15 August 2019 06:58  |
Chris Tyler
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You will probably get umteen diferent opinions on this one.
A fiber [paper?] gasket probably should have had some sort of sealant. A rubber gasket probably doesnt provided the mating surfaces are smooth.
Dont like any sort of curing sealer on a trans pan myself. Personal preference is old school permetex #2 non hardening.
Messy but effective.
76 Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] Gasket dressing yes or no? [message #346475 is a reply to message #346469] |
Thu, 15 August 2019 10:07 |
Carl S.
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I don't use any gasket sealer on either of those gaskets. If you have the stock stamped steel pan/cover make sure they are flat at the mating surface. use a hammer against some sort of rigid backing and flatten the areas around the screw holes. Torque to spec and no tighter.
On the final drive gasket, the proper one has a vent built into the gasket at the top and you do not want to clog that up with any kind of sealer.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Gasket dressing yes or no? [message #346718 is a reply to message #346454] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 23:30 |
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ljdavick
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Dave,
I seem to recall that a major source of oil pan and transmission pan leaks is from overtightened bolts that distort the surface of the pan. My beloved PO installed a cast aluminum pan from Ragusa http://www.ragusarv.com I know that Jim K has another pan that is similar too. The Ragusa pan holds an extra quart of fluid and has 2 drain ports - one for draining and the other for a temperature sensor. It’s designed with cooling fins that help to maintain the fluid temperature. Hopefully Jim will chime in and let us know what the differences are.
I need to replace my transmission fluid too, come to think of it…
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, CA
Howell EFI + EBL + Electronic Distributor
> On Aug 14, 2019, at 3:58 PM, David via Gmclist wrote:
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> I am 2 years into ownership of my GMC Coach and it is time for me to drain the transmission fluid, replace the filter and restore it to service. I also wish to drain the final drive and give it fresh oil. I am not a mechanic but I do manage to change the engine oil, rotate the tires and cope with roadside failures reasonably well.
>
> The transmission filter kit I have from WIX (P/N 58882) includes a rubber gasket. The gasket I removed from the transmission pan today was fiber, and seemed to have no gasket dressing on it at all. (This may have explained why I had a continuous weeping of transmission oil and wet pan exterior.) I have cleaned the pan gasket face and note there are lateral scratches like glacial striations faintly visible. (This too may have contributed to the fluid escape.) I do hope to achieve a dry transmission pan exterior when this job is done.
>
> My question for gmclist is this; Will I be pleased, or will I regret, using gasket dressing on either or both sides of the rubber transmission pan gasket? A supplementary question in a similar vein concerns the Felpro fiber gasket I have to install on the final drive pan/housing. Yes or no to gasket dressing?
>
> The gasket dressing I thought I'd use is Permatex Anaerobic Flange Sealer and Gasket Dressing.
>
> ______________________________________
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> Dave Simpson
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> 75 Transmode - Norris Homes Upfitter
> Keewatin, Northwest Ontario
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| Re: [GMCnet] Gasket dressing yes or no? [message #346720 is a reply to message #346718] |
Thu, 22 August 2019 00:20 |
jimk
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Dave,
the gasket that comes with the filter should be ok to use w/o selent. you
can use the sealant by laying a thick layer and tighten just enough to
touch the surfaces and let it set for few to several minutes depending on
ambient temp. then bring it up to where it it is around 1/8" and let it
cure for about 30-45 min.
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 9:31 PM Larry Davick via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I seem to recall that a major source of oil pan and transmission pan leaks
> is from overtightened bolts that distort the surface of the pan. My
> beloved PO installed a cast aluminum pan from Ragusa
> http://www.ragusarv.com I know that Jim K has
> another pan that is similar too. The Ragusa pan holds an extra quart of
> fluid and has 2 drain ports - one for draining and the other for a
> temperature sensor. It’s designed with cooling fins that help to maintain
> the fluid temperature. Hopefully Jim will chime in and let us know what
> the differences are.
>
> I need to replace my transmission fluid too, come to think of it…
>
> Larry Davick
> A Mystery Machine
> 1976(ish) Palm Beach
> Fremont, CA
> Howell EFI + EBL + Electronic Distributor
>
>> On Aug 14, 2019, at 3:58 PM, David via Gmclist
> wrote:
>>
>> I am 2 years into ownership of my GMC Coach and it is time for me to
> drain the transmission fluid, replace the filter and restore it to
> service. I also wish to drain the final drive and give it fresh oil. I am
> not a mechanic but I do manage to change the engine oil, rotate the tires
> and cope with roadside failures reasonably well.
>>
>> The transmission filter kit I have from WIX (P/N 58882) includes a
> rubber gasket. The gasket I removed from the transmission pan today was
> fiber, and seemed to have no gasket dressing on it at all. (This may have
> explained why I had a continuous weeping of transmission oil and wet pan
> exterior.) I have cleaned the pan gasket face and note there are lateral
> scratches like glacial striations faintly visible. (This too may have
> contributed to the fluid escape.) I do hope to achieve a dry transmission
> pan exterior when this job is done.
>>
>> My question for gmclist is this; Will I be pleased, or will I regret,
> using gasket dressing on either or both sides of the rubber transmission
> pan gasket? A supplementary question in a similar vein concerns the Felpro
> fiber gasket I have to install on the final drive pan/housing. Yes or no
> to gasket dressing?
>>
>> The gasket dressing I thought I'd use is Permatex Anaerobic Flange
> Sealer and Gasket Dressing.
>>
>> ______________________________________
>>
>> Dave Simpson
>>
>> 75 Transmode - Norris Homes Upfitter
>> Keewatin, Northwest Ontario
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Gasket dressing yes or no? [message #346737 is a reply to message #346454] |
Thu, 22 August 2019 17:56 |
Ethan James
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Double check the filter neck to make sure it's 0.75" wide, if it's too
small it can fall out. You can also add an additional o-ring to help it
out. I just used a very tiny bit of RTV on the pan side in the corners to
keep the gasket in place while reinstalling it.
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Ethan James
1976 Glenbrook "Rosie"
Roanoke, VA
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:59 PM David via Gmclist
wrote:
> I am 2 years into ownership of my GMC Coach and it is time for me to
> drain the transmission fluid, replace the filter and restore it to
> service. I also wish to drain the final drive and give it fresh oil. I
> am not a mechanic but I do manage to change the engine oil, rotate the
> tires and cope with roadside failures reasonably well.
>
> The transmission filter kit I have from WIX (P/N 58882) includes a
> rubber gasket. The gasket I removed from the transmission pan today was
> fiber, and seemed to have no gasket dressing on it at all. (This may
> have explained why I had a continuous weeping of transmission oil and
> wet pan exterior.) I have cleaned the pan gasket face and note there
> are lateral scratches like glacial striations faintly visible. (This
> too may have contributed to the fluid escape.) I do hope to achieve a
> dry transmission pan exterior when this job is done.
>
> My question for gmclist is this; Will I be pleased, or will I regret,
> using gasket dressing on either or both sides of the rubber transmission
> pan gasket? A supplementary question in a similar vein concerns the
> Felpro fiber gasket I have to install on the final drive pan/housing.
> Yes or no to gasket dressing?
>
> The gasket dressing I thought I'd use is Permatex Anaerobic Flange
> Sealer and Gasket Dressing.
>
> ______________________________________
>
> Dave Simpson
>
> 75 Transmode - Norris Homes Upfitter
> Keewatin, Northwest Ontario
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| Re: [GMCnet] Gasket dressing yes or no? [message #346739 is a reply to message #346737] |
Thu, 22 August 2019 18:19 |
jimk
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We have seen the tube small enough that the transmission draws up air ad
create serious problems.
Those RED Chinese at it again. All of them come from there, so brand does
not matter.
They are ALL made at one factory.
This way they use one tooling,etc. Too bad we don't do things like that
here.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:57 PM Ethan James via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Double check the filter neck to make sure it's 0.75" wide, if it's too
> small it can fall out. You can also add an additional o-ring to help it
> out. I just used a very tiny bit of RTV on the pan side in the corners to
> keep the gasket in place while reinstalling it.
>
> --
> Ethan James
> 1976 Glenbrook "Rosie"
> Roanoke, VA
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:59 PM David via Gmclist >
> wrote:
>
>> I am 2 years into ownership of my GMC Coach and it is time for me to
>> drain the transmission fluid, replace the filter and restore it to
>> service. I also wish to drain the final drive and give it fresh oil. I
>> am not a mechanic but I do manage to change the engine oil, rotate the
>> tires and cope with roadside failures reasonably well.
>>
>> The transmission filter kit I have from WIX (P/N 58882) includes a
>> rubber gasket. The gasket I removed from the transmission pan today was
>> fiber, and seemed to have no gasket dressing on it at all. (This may
>> have explained why I had a continuous weeping of transmission oil and
>> wet pan exterior.) I have cleaned the pan gasket face and note there
>> are lateral scratches like glacial striations faintly visible. (This
>> too may have contributed to the fluid escape.) I do hope to achieve a
>> dry transmission pan exterior when this job is done.
>>
>> My question for gmclist is this; Will I be pleased, or will I regret,
>> using gasket dressing on either or both sides of the rubber transmission
>> pan gasket? A supplementary question in a similar vein concerns the
>> Felpro fiber gasket I have to install on the final drive pan/housing.
>> Yes or no to gasket dressing?
>>
>> The gasket dressing I thought I'd use is Permatex Anaerobic Flange
>> Sealer and Gasket Dressing.
>>
>> ______________________________________
>>
>> Dave Simpson
>>
>> 75 Transmode - Norris Homes Upfitter
>> Keewatin, Northwest Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Gasket dressing yes or no? [message #346746 is a reply to message #346745] |
Thu, 22 August 2019 21:03 |
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pjburt
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Thanks, Jim.
jimk wrote on Thu, 22 August 2019 18:54Yes Gary checks them when the batch is delivered.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 5:43 PM Jerry Burt via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> JimK, are you still sizeing on the trans filters you supply?
> --
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> 73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands
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| Re: [GMCnet] Gasket dressing yes or no? [message #346747 is a reply to message #346746] |
Thu, 22 August 2019 21:41 |
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This is another good example of why you should buy from a knowledgeable GMC parts supplier. You a
can buy a filter from about any parts store in the USA or Canada. But does it work properly? Some have too small a pipe so they suck air into the transmission. Others are too short so they fall to the bottom of the pan, some have very poor filter material and there are other problems. The average person doesn’t know what to look for or how to test it before installation
Nice to have a supplier that does this properly before selling it to you.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick CO
> On Aug 22, 2019, at 8:03 PM, Jerry Burt via Gmclist wrote:
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> Thanks, Jim.
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> jimk wrote on Thu, 22 August 2019 18:54
>> Yes Gary checks them when the batch is delivered.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 5:43 PM Jerry Burt via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> JimK, are you still sizeing on the trans filters you supply?
>>> --
>>> Patti & Jerry Burt Fresno, CA.
>>> 73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands
>>> 77 Palm Beach - Parts Coach
>>> Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
>>> A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour.
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>> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
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> 73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands
> 77 Palm Beach - Parts Coach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Gasket dressing yes or no? [message #346749 is a reply to message #346747] |
Thu, 22 August 2019 21:47 |
Jim Miller
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On Aug 22, 2019, at 10:41 PM, Emery Stora via Gmclist wrote:
> This is another good example of why you should buy from a knowledgeable GMC parts supplier.
Oh come on Emery - the suppliers are only in business to gouge us! That is what we are told by all the new owners!
Tongue in cheek of course. :)
—Jim
Jim Miller
1977 Eleganza
1977 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] Gasket dressing yes or no? [message #346753 is a reply to message #346751] |
Fri, 23 August 2019 08:08 |
Dave Stragand
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On a related pan & filter note... If you have the Ragusa trans pan, do
you need to do anything special with the filter? Or the gasket?
Thanks,
-Dave
1978 Transmode near Pittsburgh
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
Russell Keith via Gmclist
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 8:41 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Cc: Russell Keith
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Gasket dressing yes or no?
David,
I installed the WIX 58882 transmission fluid filter this past April
(2019), and used just the rubber gasket supplied. So far no leaks. Don't
forget to
use two O-rings on the new filter!
For the final drive, I used the Fel-Pro RDS 55034 gasket dry. No leaks.
If you do use any gasket sealant or adhesive, be sure not to block the
vent
hole near the top of the final drive.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g7215-spring-maintenance-2019.html
Russell
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1978 E2 "Harry" 403 (still carbureted), Danny Dunn Tranny, Thorley,
Stock Brakes w/Remote Vacuum Brake Booster, Quad Bags, Dakota Digital
Dash, 6.5 kW
Onan, Dunedin, Florida
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| Re: [GMCnet] Gasket dressing yes or no? [message #346755 is a reply to message #346753] |
Fri, 23 August 2019 08:32 |
jimk
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Best to use the old o ring along with origional.
Filter should fit snugly so it will not slip down.
Ragusa pan has heat transfer fins that reduce the additional space.
Ragusa pan does a very great job of dissipating the heat.
Strongly suggest to use along with aux cooler.
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 6:09 AM Dave Stragand via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> On a related pan & filter note... If you have the Ragusa trans pan, do
> you need to do anything special with the filter? Or the gasket?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Dave
> 1978 Transmode near Pittsburgh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Russell Keith via Gmclist
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 8:41 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Cc: Russell Keith
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Gasket dressing yes or no?
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> David,
> I installed the WIX 58882 transmission fluid filter this past April
> (2019), and used just the rubber gasket supplied. So far no leaks. Don't
> forget to
> use two O-rings on the new filter!
>
> For the final drive, I used the Fel-Pro RDS 55034 gasket dry. No leaks.
> If you do use any gasket sealant or adhesive, be sure not to block the
> vent
> hole near the top of the final drive.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g7215-spring-maintenance-2019.html
>
> Russell
> --
> Russell Keith,
> 1978 E2 "Harry" 403 (still carbureted), Danny Dunn Tranny, Thorley,
> Stock Brakes w/Remote Vacuum Brake Booster, Quad Bags, Dakota Digital
> Dash, 6.5 kW
> Onan, Dunedin, Florida
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