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Fuel delivery problem [message #345715] Thu, 25 July 2019 14:27 Go to next message
MikeT   United States
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Fuel delivery problem. Works fine on 5 gallon can but can't draw from the tank. So fuel pump, carb and filters are all good. It was drawing fuel from the tanks only a few days ago. Questions: What PSI to blow the socks off in the tank? Also, can I bypass the fuel selector solenoid? I think one of these two are my problem unless others have another proposed diagnosis. Thanks.

Mike Thomas Marine City, MI 77 ex Palm Beach
Re: [GMCnet] Fuel delivery problem [message #345719 is a reply to message #345715] Thu, 25 July 2019 14:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
powwerjon is currently offline  powwerjon   United States
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Mike,
Any sustained pressure of more than 2 or 3 psig can cause the tanks to expand and it could come out badly. If you pop the fuel line with 30 psig for 3 to 5 seconds you should not have and problems in damaging the tanks.

JR Wright
Michigan

> On Jul 25, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Thomas Mike via Gmclist wrote:
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> Fuel delivery problem. Works fine on 5 gallon can but can't draw from the tank. So fuel pump, carb and filters are all good. It was drawing fuel from
> the tanks only a few days ago. Questions: What PSI to blow the socks off in the tank? Also, can I bypass the fuel selector solenoid? I think one of
> these two are my problem unless others have another proposed diagnosis. Thanks.
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel delivery problem [message #345720 is a reply to message #345715] Thu, 25 July 2019 14:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave Stragand is currently offline  Dave Stragand   United States
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I would disconnect the feed line at the fuel pump and start drawing a suction from the tanks to see if you can pull fuel or heat a leak. I would bet you have a cracked line somewhere and are sucking air.

-Dave
1978 Transmode near Pittsburgh (but written from somewhere near Bologna)

> On Jul 25, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Thomas Mike via Gmclist wrote:
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> Fuel delivery problem. Works fine on 5 gallon can but can't draw from the tank. So fuel pump, carb and filters are all good. It was drawing fuel from
> the tanks only a few days ago. Questions: What PSI to blow the socks off in the tank? Also, can I bypass the fuel selector solenoid? I think one of
> these two are my problem unless others have another proposed diagnosis. Thanks.
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Re: Fuel delivery problem [message #345724 is a reply to message #345715] Thu, 25 July 2019 15:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Make sure the cap is off of the tank when you do it. I assume that you are going to blow air in the lines and the air need to escape from the tank somewhere. Do not have the tanks full when you do it. I really think that you have a leak some where. That is the suction side of the pump so you may not actually seethe leak.

Also keep in mind that if you have had the lines disconnected all of the fuel in the lines drains back into the tank(s). then later When you try to pump, you dry pump has to pump (suck) all of the air again. It is difficult for a dry pump to pull the air that distance. I have used shop air and a rag in the filler to apply slight pressure to the system to get the fuel flowing again up to the mech fuel pump. It does not take much pressure. (a couple of PSI) You are only trying to raise the fuel a foot or so vertically fromthe tank to the pump. DO NOT OVER PRESSURIZE AND BLOW A LINE OR THE TANKS.

I use to have a barb fitting and an 3/8"? check valve that I stuck in the hose going to the pump. Apply air until fuel ran out of the end. Then squeeze the line to prevent fuel from running back to the tank and reconnect the hose to the input side of the pump again.

There are lots of way to do it. It is easier with 2 people.


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Re: Fuel delivery problem [message #345726 is a reply to message #345724] Thu, 25 July 2019 15:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you Ken

Mike Thomas Marine City, MI 77 ex Palm Beach
Re: [GMCnet] Fuel delivery problem [message #345727 is a reply to message #345720] Thu, 25 July 2019 15:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Dave

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel delivery problem [message #345728 is a reply to message #345719] Thu, 25 July 2019 15:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks JR.

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Re: Fuel delivery problem [message #345729 is a reply to message #345726] Thu, 25 July 2019 15:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike,

Good to hear from you again.

If you have not replaced the fuel lines on top of the tanks, make the plan to do so. Those lines are probably rotted out by now and the selector valve is also about gone. Getting the tanks down and back up is a pain, but it is easier if you do it with Hazard Fright straps and while you are at it, split the fill vents so you can put fuel in the tanks faster.

I sent the note to mtt2961.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel delivery problem [message #345753 is a reply to message #345729] Thu, 25 July 2019 23:59 Go to previous message
jimk is currently offline  jimk   United States
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As Matt pointed out, if you have not replaced the hose in last few years
with the new type, your wasting your time.
Also the tank selector switch wit New as there is a rubber in there that
has created trouble.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 1:54 PM Matt Colie via Gmclist <
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> Mike,
>
> Good to hear from you again.
>
> If you have not replaced the fuel lines on top of the tanks, make the plan
> to do so. Those lines are probably rotted out by now and the selector
> valve is also about gone. Getting the tanks down and back up is a pain,
> but it is easier if you do it with Hazard Fright straps and while you are at
> it, split the fill vents so you can put fuel in the tanks faster.
>
> I sent the note to mtt2961.
>
> Matt
>
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