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Wed, 24 July 2019 06:03  |
Ken Henderson
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I just got a question from a GMCer to which I can't find an answer: What
is the "official" curb weight of a GMC? The maximum gross weight is
documented several places, but I've been unable to find anywhere what the
"curb weight" should be. I certainly recognize that each configuration
will be slightly different, but it seems there would be established numbers
for each SOMEWHERE!
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMH Curb Weights [message #345658 is a reply to message #345657] |
Wed, 24 July 2019 07:30  |
jhbridges
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Too many different upfitters and insides, each of which is likely a different weight. If someone kept the weights from a rally, take a means for each length and use that. Otherwise write all of them doiwn in Mansfield and do a mean.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMH Curb Weights [message #345659 is a reply to message #345657] |
Wed, 24 July 2019 07:35 |
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Ken,
I would suggest that there is no OFFICIAL WEIGHT of each coach model, there are too many variables.
How much fuel in tanks.
How much water in tank.
How much waste water in tanks.
Aluminum wheels vs steel wheels
Tire weights.
How much spare parts are stored, so have more that others.
How much food and supplies.
Anything that is in the coach or storage pod that did not come with the coach.
The list goes on with options added from the factory.
The real official weight is the one you get when you weigh your coach. That is why so many people are surprised when they have their coaches weighed at the GMCMI conventions. I know that why you like your 23’ coach.
The coaches that we have had over the years have weighted differently depending on the time it was weighted. By time I mean was it going on a trip, emptied out after returning, what it was going to be used for, etc.
The 77 Eleganza II was a frame up restoration and some cabinetry had been replace and newer materials along with the newer windows that you used to sell and they were much light than the stock windows. When empty it alway weighted under the gross weight listed on the TZE plate. When loaded for traveling and we used to do Florida and AZ for 4 months it was 1000# over name plate and that is not uncommon.
The 78 Buskirk Stretch is a much heavier coach as it has a 3.5 foot addition, heavier frame rails, 3 fuel tanks, custom bath and shower modules, new furniture, custom solid maple cabinets thru out. It weighs right at 12500# empty and close to 14600# ready for battle. The coach suspension is much more robust than a stock coach. Heavy duty front lower “A” arms that have billet hexes welded in, reinforced with 3 1/16” plate welded in, larger torsion bars along with a larger sway bar in the front. The rear is a copy of the Leigh Harrison 4 bag suspension that has been beefed up with larger steel plate supports and modified swing arms, and air bags that are the largest used on a 4 bag coach setup.
So again is there an actual listing of coach weights, it weighs what it weighs when you have it weighed.
JR Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMC Eastern States Charter Member
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMCMI
78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:03 AM, Ken Henderson via Gmclist wrote:
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> I just got a question from a GMCer to which I can't find an answer: What
> is the "official" curb weight of a GMC? The maximum gross weight is
> documented several places, but I've been unable to find anywhere what the
> "curb weight" should be. I certainly recognize that each configuration
> will be slightly different, but it seems there would be established numbers
> for each SOMEWHERE!
>
> Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMH Curb Weights [message #345662 is a reply to message #345659] |
Wed, 24 July 2019 08:40 |
jimk
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John,
Your explanation should answer the question .
Too many variables.
Just the different models like the Royal by Coachman can be big .
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 5:36 AM John Wright via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> I would suggest that there is no OFFICIAL WEIGHT of each coach model,
> there are too many variables.
>
> How much fuel in tanks.
> How much water in tank.
> How much waste water in tanks.
> Aluminum wheels vs steel wheels
> Tire weights.
> How much spare parts are stored, so have more that others.
> How much food and supplies.
> Anything that is in the coach or storage pod that did not come with the
> coach.
> The list goes on with options added from the factory.
>
> The real official weight is the one you get when you weigh your coach.
> That is why so many people are surprised when they have their coaches
> weighed at the GMCMI conventions. I know that why you like your 23’ coach.
>
> The coaches that we have had over the years have weighted differently
> depending on the time it was weighted. By time I mean was it going on a
> trip, emptied out after returning, what it was going to be used for, etc.
>
> The 77 Eleganza II was a frame up restoration and some cabinetry had been
> replace and newer materials along with the newer windows that you used to
> sell and they were much light than the stock windows. When empty it alway
> weighted under the gross weight listed on the TZE plate. When loaded for
> traveling and we used to do Florida and AZ for 4 months it was 1000# over
> name plate and that is not uncommon.
>
> The 78 Buskirk Stretch is a much heavier coach as it has a 3.5 foot
> addition, heavier frame rails, 3 fuel tanks, custom bath and shower
> modules, new furniture, custom solid maple cabinets thru out. It weighs
> right at 12500# empty and close to 14600# ready for battle. The coach
> suspension is much more robust than a stock coach. Heavy duty front lower
> “A” arms that have billet hexes welded in, reinforced with 3 1/16” plate
> welded in, larger torsion bars along with a larger sway bar in the front.
> The rear is a copy of the Leigh Harrison 4 bag suspension that has been
> beefed up with larger steel plate supports and modified swing arms, and air
> bags that are the largest used on a 4 bag coach setup.
>
> So again is there an actual listing of coach weights, it weighs what it
> weighs when you have it weighed.
>
> JR Wright
> GMC Great Laker MHC
> GMC Eastern States Charter Member
> GMCGL Tech Editor
> GMCMI
> 78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
> 1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
> Michigan
>
>
>
>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:03 AM, Ken Henderson via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> I just got a question from a GMCer to which I can't find an answer: What
>> is the "official" curb weight of a GMC? The maximum gross weight is
>> documented several places, but I've been unable to find anywhere what the
>> "curb weight" should be. I certainly recognize that each configuration
>> will be slightly different, but it seems there would be established
> numbers
>> for each SOMEWHERE!
>>
>> Ken H.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMH Curb Weights [message #345663 is a reply to message #345662] |
Wed, 24 July 2019 09:19 |
James Hupy
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We weighed every coach at Casa de Fruita, and checked ride height as well.
Armand Minnie did a spread sheet on them. That might still be around. As I
remember, that info was hard to make any definitive conclusions from. But
the weight per axle, and side to side differences were an eye opener. Ride
heights on perhaps 25 coaches were all incorrect except for 2 coaches.
Funny, the drivers all said their coaches drove fine.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 6:41 AM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> John,
> Your explanation should answer the question .
> Too many variables.
> Just the different models like the Royal by Coachman can be big .
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 5:36 AM John Wright via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> I would suggest that there is no OFFICIAL WEIGHT of each coach model,
>> there are too many variables.
>>
>> How much fuel in tanks.
>> How much water in tank.
>> How much waste water in tanks.
>> Aluminum wheels vs steel wheels
>> Tire weights.
>> How much spare parts are stored, so have more that others.
>> How much food and supplies.
>> Anything that is in the coach or storage pod that did not come with the
>> coach.
>> The list goes on with options added from the factory.
>>
>> The real official weight is the one you get when you weigh your coach.
>> That is why so many people are surprised when they have their coaches
>> weighed at the GMCMI conventions. I know that why you like your 23’
> coach.
>>
>> The coaches that we have had over the years have weighted differently
>> depending on the time it was weighted. By time I mean was it going on a
>> trip, emptied out after returning, what it was going to be used for, etc.
>>
>> The 77 Eleganza II was a frame up restoration and some cabinetry had been
>> replace and newer materials along with the newer windows that you used to
>> sell and they were much light than the stock windows. When empty it
> alway
>> weighted under the gross weight listed on the TZE plate. When loaded for
>> traveling and we used to do Florida and AZ for 4 months it was 1000# over
>> name plate and that is not uncommon.
>>
>> The 78 Buskirk Stretch is a much heavier coach as it has a 3.5 foot
>> addition, heavier frame rails, 3 fuel tanks, custom bath and shower
>> modules, new furniture, custom solid maple cabinets thru out. It weighs
>> right at 12500# empty and close to 14600# ready for battle. The coach
>> suspension is much more robust than a stock coach. Heavy duty front
> lower
>> “A” arms that have billet hexes welded in, reinforced with 3 1/16” plate
>> welded in, larger torsion bars along with a larger sway bar in the front.
>> The rear is a copy of the Leigh Harrison 4 bag suspension that has been
>> beefed up with larger steel plate supports and modified swing arms, and
> air
>> bags that are the largest used on a 4 bag coach setup.
>>
>> So again is there an actual listing of coach weights, it weighs what it
>> weighs when you have it weighed.
>>
>> JR Wright
>> GMC Great Laker MHC
>> GMC Eastern States Charter Member
>> GMCGL Tech Editor
>> GMCMI
>> 78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
>> 1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
>> Michigan
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:03 AM, Ken Henderson via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just got a question from a GMCer to which I can't find an answer:
> What
>>> is the "official" curb weight of a GMC? The maximum gross weight is
>>> documented several places, but I've been unable to find anywhere what
> the
>>> "curb weight" should be. I certainly recognize that each configuration
>>> will be slightly different, but it seems there would be established
>> numbers
>>> for each SOMEWHERE!
>>>
>>> Ken H.
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMH Curb Weights [message #345687 is a reply to message #345679] |
Wed, 24 July 2019 19:01 |
Ken Henderson
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Russell,
Thanks for the links. Unfortunately, those are not the "curb weights", as
I define them (the basically "ready to roll" without extra loads), but the
maximum gross weights.
It's those "empty except for essentials like fuel" weights that the
individual I mentioned needs for vehicle registration in his area. He and
I have pretty much figured out now that he'll have to get the coach weighed
and convince the licensing authorities to accept that number. "Rots a
ruck, Charlie." :-)
Thanks, Everyone.
Ken H.
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 4:41 PM Russell Keith via Gmclist <
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> Hi Ken,
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> The official curb weights are in the operators manuals. Here is a link to
> the weights for a '73, a '75, and a '78.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/98T8XaEWu1K6W4ah9
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> Russell
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMH Curb Weights [message #345691 is a reply to message #345687] |
Wed, 24 July 2019 22:08 |
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Ken,
The official "curb weights" are included in the link Russel provided. ie: '73 26', 9,600#, '75 26' 9,500#, and '78 26' 10,570#. I'm not saying these numbers make sense, but they are "official", and even a typically obtuse DMV worker should accept them if you show him/her the owner's manual page they came from. The manual reprints also describe (in annually increasing detail) the conditions defined by "curb" weight.
The numbers do raise some interesting questions. Why is my '75 GMC 100# lighter than a '73, even though mine has more insulation under the floor, some beefing up in spindles, bearings and so forth? How does a '78 coach rate an 800# higher GVW (gross vehicle weight, the one that would matter if by some chance you got weighed by the cops) than my '75, even though they share identical frames, suspensions, steering and brakes? Why is the '78 curb weight over 1,000# more than my '75? (Did the Onan become standard equipment for '78?)
Oh well, hope that helps someone get their plates. Beyond that, getting weighed is indeed more important. Hope I can do it some day.
Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMH Curb Weights [message #345692 is a reply to message #345691] |
Wed, 24 July 2019 22:21 |
Ken Henderson
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Richard,
You're RIGHT! I didn't read carefully enough -- just looked at the bottom
line numbers, I guess.
Russell,
THANK YOU! Sorry I misread at first. Those top-line numbers should be
just what our fellow GMCer needs. I'll forward your message to him.
Ken H.
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 11:08 PM Richard H Staples via Gmclist <
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> Ken,
> The official "curb weights" are included in the link Russel provided. ie:
> '73 26', 9,600#, '75 26' 9,500#, and '78 26' 10,570#. I'm not saying these
> numbers make sense, but they are "official", and even a typically obtuse
> DMV worker should accept them if you show him/her the owner's manual page
> they came from. The manual reprints also describe (in annually increasing
> detail) the conditions defined by "curb" weight.
>
> The numbers do raise some interesting questions. Why is my '75 GMC 100#
> lighter than a '73, even though mine has more insulation under the floor,
> some beefing up in spindles, bearings and so forth? How does a '78 coach
> rate an 800# higher GVW (gross vehicle weight, the one that would matter if
> by some chance you got weighed by the cops) than my '75, even though they
> share identical frames, suspensions, steering and brakes? Why is the '78
> curb weight over 1,000# more than my '75? (Did the Onan become standard
> equipment for '78?)
>
> Oh well, hope that helps someone get their plates. Beyond that, getting
> weighed is indeed more important. Hope I can do it some day.
>
> --
> Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
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> may run ill." -Tolkien
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMH Curb Weights [message #345693 is a reply to message #345688] |
Wed, 24 July 2019 23:16 |
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We went through this exercise a few years ago with someone else either for a vehicle registration or a driver's license requirement. We need to same this page on GMCMHPHOTOS for future generations.
Ken B.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMH Curb Weights [message #345721 is a reply to message #345704] |
Thu, 25 July 2019 14:55 |
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to get our 1976 edgemont registered in australia still left hand drive i had to get the GVM under 4500 kgs (9920.8lbs) i took it to a weighbridge with tanks empty no rear bumper no spare tyre no propane tank it weighed in at 4180 kgs (9215.3 lbs) the engineer then issued a modification plate with a new GVM of 4490KGS . i may be over limit when driving sometimes but they have to pull me up and weigh me to find out
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMH Curb Weights [message #347547 is a reply to message #347516] |
Mon, 09 September 2019 08:11 |
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The Onan generator was a Regular Production Options "KNC" and an expensive
one at that, around $2,000 so a GMC could be ordered without it. However
the Vehicle Identification Plate should show the "as manufactured" Gross
vehicle weight. I'm going to check ours tonight..ours did come with the 6K
Onan
Rich
On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 2:48 PM Deb McWade via Gmclist <
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> I see the manual states the LP & water tanks as empty, but no reference to
> the Onan. Is the Onan considered standard or an optional accessory? I
> have a '77 Kingsley, 403. Before I head off to try to get the coach
> weighed at our 'local' (40 miles away :) ) scale, I thought I would check
> on that
> first. If it's in the manual, I missed it, sorry :(
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMH Curb Weights [message #347578 is a reply to message #347547] |
Mon, 09 September 2019 13:22 |
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Hi Rich. My VIN plate shows the max weight - total, front & back just as stated in the manual - 11,700, 4200 & 7500 for the vehicle as manufactured. But it doesn't give the curb weights. (too bad.  that would make life easier) I guess I will have to head down the mountain to the weigh scales next spring and find out what that back end really weighs, L&R, without any water in the tanks. When you only have 700 pounds cargo load to play with back there, it makes a difference if the Onan was included in the curb weight or not. Especially if I'm considering putting a scooter back there on a rack.
Deb McWade
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMH Curb Weights [message #347585 is a reply to message #347578] |
Mon, 09 September 2019 15:32 |
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So my 76 Elaganza with 6K gen shows the Gross Vehicle Weight at 11700 (4200 front axle, and 7500 rear axle) my coach is #2323 for 1976. This is exactly the same as shown in my 1976 Operating Manual. The Operating manual shows a curb weight of 3700 for the front allowing for an additional 500lbs for people and cargo for a total 4200, and 6,850 curb weight for the rear with 650 for passengers and cargo. Curb weight should be the entire coach with generator, fuel full tanks etc, since it according to GMC was "The vehicle are designed to provide satisfactory service if the vehicle is not loaded in excess of the Gross Vehicle Weight...the questions is was did GMC mean by "satisfactory service" (gas milage, mean time between failures, tire separation, I just had to throw that in...).
Additionally on page 9 of my Owners manual it states under "Trailer Hauling" the maximum loaded trailer weight which you can pull with you vehicle depends on what special equipment has been installed. GMC does not recommend towing any trailer OVER 1,000 POUNDS GROSS TRAILER WEIGHT." "The allowable passenger and cargo load (GVW) of this vehicle is reduced by an amount equal to the trailer tongue load on the trailer hitch."
Rich
Rich Kinas
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Orlando, FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMH Curb Weights [message #347596 is a reply to message #347585] |
Mon, 09 September 2019 19:17 |
Deb
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Hi Rich. Curb weight includes fuel and coolant and empty LP and water tanks. (Page 1 of Operating Manual.) There is no mention of a generator so that was why I was wondering if it was considered standard or optional equipment. If standard, it would be included in the rear curb weight of 6800 lb. If optional, it would end up as part of the allowable rear cargo weight of 700 lb. Not sure but I think the Onan weighs in somewhere in the 400 lb ballpark(?). Thats more than half of the allowable cargo weight. Add some water and waste in the tanks, and a full propane tank, and you get pretty close to the max allowable weight.
I have a 250 lb scooter that would be carried on a rack (not towed). You can see why I was curious about whether the weight of the Onan is already included in the curb weight. Thats a 400 lb variable in available cargo capacity.
Deb McWade
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) scale, I thought I would check on that first. If it's in the manual, I missed it, sorry