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Sun, 14 July 2019 11:41  |
jfkarls
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So I'm going to bite the bullet and buy the whole exhaust system. A couple of questions for you pro's 
1) From Applied? any other options?
2) Double muffler up front or single muffler in the back?
3) 2 1/2" or 3"
4) I assume stainless is the best?
5) Do ether require heat protection for coach?
Thanks Folks for the help!!
Joe & Valerie Karls
1976 Eleganza II, & 1976 Palm Beach - Also own
1967 Lincoln Continental Convertible,
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| Re: exhaust - Purchase [message #345265 is a reply to message #345261] |
Sun, 14 July 2019 12:10  |
Carl S.
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I went with the stock configuration, double mufflers up front because I didn't want to have to make any modifications to make the single rear muffler fit.
I bought the aluminized 3" system from Applied, but you might want to go with SS due to your location. It was easy to install, except for the head pipes (from the exhaust manifolds to the mufflers) which are not included. The Applied system is designed for use with headers. Maybe Jim has improved the kit and offers the head pipes for manifolds now. I don't know.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] exhaust - Purchase [message #345269 is a reply to message #345265] |
Sun, 14 July 2019 13:18 |
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https://www.gmcrvparts.com/product-p/gm12-030.9.htm
On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 10:11 AM Carl Stouffer via Gmclist <
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> I went with the stock configuration, double mufflers up front because I
> didn't want to have to make any modifications to make the single rear
> muffler
> fit.
>
> I bought the aluminized 3" system from Applied, but you might want to go
> with SS due to your location. It was easy to install, except for the head
> pipes (from the exhaust manifolds to the mufflers) which are not
> included. The Applied system is designed for use with headers. Maybe Jim
> has
> improved the kit and offers the head pipes for manifolds now. I don't
> know.
> --
> Carl Stouffer
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive,
> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
> Eagles,
> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] exhaust - Purchase [message #345271 is a reply to message #345269] |
Sun, 14 July 2019 13:21 |
jimk
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We can supply adapters to hook up to the stock exhaust pipe that comes down
from the manifold.
On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 11:18 AM Jim Kanomata wrote:
> https://www.gmcrvparts.com/product-p/gm12-030.9.htm
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> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 10:11 AM Carl Stouffer via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> I went with the stock configuration, double mufflers up front because I
>> didn't want to have to make any modifications to make the single rear
>> muffler
>> fit.
>>
>> I bought the aluminized 3" system from Applied, but you might want to go
>> with SS due to your location. It was easy to install, except for the head
>> pipes (from the exhaust manifolds to the mufflers) which are not
>> included. The Applied system is designed for use with headers. Maybe Jim
>> has
>> improved the kit and offers the head pipes for manifolds now. I don't
>> know.
>> --
>> Carl Stouffer
>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>> Tucson, AZ.
>> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive,
>> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
>> Eagles,
>> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
>>
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> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
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| Re: exhaust - Purchase [message #345518 is a reply to message #345261] |
Thu, 18 July 2019 12:44 |
Larry
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Here is what I did for my rear mounted. Picked up the "Y" from Jimmy K and did the rest myself. What a PIA with the trial and error fitting...multiple trips to the muffler shop for bending...etc...etc. If or when I have to do it again, I'd buy the ready made SS system from Jimmy, install it and be done with it. I like the rear mount muffler. Reduction in heat and noise. Make sure you put heat shields between the muffler/mufflers and the floor. JWID
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3604-rear-mounted-flowmaster.html
Larry 
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] exhaust - Purchase [message #345522 is a reply to message #345519] |
Thu, 18 July 2019 16:44 |
Keith V
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Jim,
Will your rear muffler fit on a Royale with a black tank?
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Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] exhaust - Purchase
Our new style SS 3" rear mufflers are now made slightly smaller so it fits
in the rear section easier.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:03 AM Larry via Gmclist
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> Here is what I did for my rear mounted. Picked up the "Y" from Jimmy K and
> did the rest myself. What a PIA with the trial and error fitting...multiple
> trips to the muffler shop for bending...etc...etc. If or when I have to do
> it again, I'd buy the ready made SS system from Jimmy, install it and be
> done with it. I like the rear mount muffler. Reduction in heat and noise.
> Make sure you put heat shields between the muffler/mufflers and the floor.
> JWID
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> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: exhaust - Purchase [message #345526 is a reply to message #345518] |
Thu, 18 July 2019 17:40 |
Ken Burton
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I did something similar to Larry. My coach had 2 magnaflow mufflers up front installed by my PO and 3" exhaust to the rear. Everything was in like new condition except one of the mufflers burned a hole the top larger than a softball. My inspection of the other muffler revealed It was about to do the same thing at the same top spot. I tried to get magnaflow to give me some new ones to replace the mufflers and they refused to talk to me.
So I read about Emery's single Flowmaster in the rear and decided to do it that way. It was a simple change over that I did on the floor in my hangar. I installed 2 pipes where the mufflers were and cut the rear pipe and installed one rear mounted flowmaster muffler.
Dan Gregg later that year had a similar problem with burning through the top of the muffler. It burned a hole clear through the floor. I saw his coach at Jim K's. Dan and I fashioned and installed two heat shields out of some scrap in Jim's scrap pile. Then he had Jim's guys install a complete new 2 muffler exhaust system. It was great watching his guys do the installation. Everything just slipped together and fit perfectly. I think it took them about 1 hour to replace every thing.
Heat shields are a must on either the 1 or 2 muffler system.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: exhaust - Purchase [message #345534 is a reply to message #345261] |
Thu, 18 July 2019 20:56 |
JohnL455
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I am working on 2.25" stock manifold to muffler pipes for 455 right now. My builder has my GM samples. I have sourced dual wall aluminized mufflers in the same form factor as original. Being dual wall they radiate less noise into the cabin, and have the burn through resistance of the originals. All road tests have been great. This is for those that want stock replacement parts which are no longer available from GM. Not trying to compete with performance systems from others. I will update with availability. I still need a good Y pipe sample to complete the project. Thanks.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] exhaust - Purchase [message #345541 is a reply to message #345534] |
Thu, 18 July 2019 22:12 |
jimk
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Keith,
I'm sure the muffler will clear the sewer tank o the royal, just to be sure
look, as there are two configuration. Just be sure to put the heat shield
to protect the tank and the floor.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 7:01 PM John R. Lebetski via Gmclist <
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> I am working on 2.25" stock manifold to muffler pipes for 455 right now.
> My builder has my GM samples. I have sourced dual wall aluminized mufflers
> in the same form factor as original. Being dual wall they radiate less
> noise into the cabin, and have the burn through resistance of the
> originals.
> All road tests have been great. This is for those that want stock
> replacement parts which are no longer available from GM. Not trying to
> compete with
> performance systems from others. I will update with availability. I still
> need a good Y pipe sample to complete the project. Thanks.
> --
> John Lebetski
> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] exhaust - Purchase [message #345548 is a reply to message #345547] |
Fri, 19 July 2019 08:38 |
jimk
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Yes one can use one muffler at the front. My concern is restriction on flow
as I have not found a way to make it work easily and efficiently.
I have seen some , so I will be looking into it, just need to contact me to
work on it.
On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:22 AM Matt Colie via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> JohnL455 wrote on Thu, 18 July 2019 21:56
>> I am working on 2.25" stock manifold to muffler pipes for 455 right now.
> My builder has my GM samples. I have sourced dual wall aluminized
>> mufflers in the same form factor as original. Being dual wall they
> radiate less noise into the cabin, and have the burn through resistance of
> the
>> originals. All road tests have been great. This is for those that want
> stock replacement parts which are no longer available from GM. Not trying
>> to compete with performance systems from others. I will update with
> availability. I still need a good Y pipe sample to complete the project.
>> Thanks.
>
> John,
>
> I have an intact Y pipe that I took out because the (existing failed)
> mufflers were welded to it. I could cut that off and ship the Y to you, if
> it
> might help.
>
> This will not be immediate, I am still working on my coach.
>
> Matt Colie
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] exhaust - Purchase [message #345549 is a reply to message #345548] |
Fri, 19 July 2019 08:44 |
jimk
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Lot of you need to be aware that a muffler shop cannot bend a pipe with out
inducing restrictions.
Mandrel bends are expensive but worth the cost.
Also the Japanese Engineers figured out that having the muffler toward the
rear helps to allow exaust flow, as the pulsing waves do not get disturbed
too early.
On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:38 AM Jim Kanomata wrote:
> Yes one can use one muffler at the front. My concern is restriction on
> flow as I have not found a way to make it work easily and efficiently.
> I have seen some , so I will be looking into it, just need to contact me
> to work on it.
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:22 AM Matt Colie via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> JohnL455 wrote on Thu, 18 July 2019 21:56
>>> I am working on 2.25" stock manifold to muffler pipes for 455 right
>> now. My builder has my GM samples. I have sourced dual wall aluminized
>>> mufflers in the same form factor as original. Being dual wall they
>> radiate less noise into the cabin, and have the burn through resistance of
>> the
>>> originals. All road tests have been great. This is for those that
>> want stock replacement parts which are no longer available from GM. Not
>> trying
>>> to compete with performance systems from others. I will update with
>> availability. I still need a good Y pipe sample to complete the project.
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I have an intact Y pipe that I took out because the (existing failed)
>> mufflers were welded to it. I could cut that off and ship the Y to you, if
>> it
>> might help.
>>
>> This will not be immediate, I am still working on my coach.
>>
>> Matt Colie
>> --
>> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
>> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
>> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
>> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
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| Re: exhaust - Purchase [message #345552 is a reply to message #345534] |
Fri, 19 July 2019 11:37 |
tmsnyder
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Y-pipe , how to make you own, this guys stuff is beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wce_xaiYgV4
JohnL455 wrote on Thu, 18 July 2019 20:56I am working on 2.25" stock manifold to muffler pipes for 455 right now. My builder has my GM samples. I have sourced dual wall aluminized mufflers in the same form factor as original. Being dual wall they radiate less noise into the cabin, and have the burn through resistance of the originals. All road tests have been great. This is for those that want stock replacement parts which are no longer available from GM. Not trying to compete with performance systems from others. I will update with availability. I still need a good Y pipe sample to complete the project. Thanks.
Todd Snyder, Buffalo NY
1976 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] exhaust - Purchase [message #345553 is a reply to message #345549] |
Fri, 19 July 2019 12:18 |
jessfarr
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Wonder if that Japanese engineer's name was Kanomata ?
jofarr
Soddy daisy tn
74, 76 & 78 26'
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] exhaust - Purchase
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Lot of you need to be aware that a muffler shop cannot bend a pipe with out
inducing restrictions.
Mandrel bends are expensive but worth the cost.
Also the Japanese Engineers figured out that having the muffler toward the
rear helps to allow exaust flow, as the pulsing waves do not get disturbed
too early.
On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:38 AM Jim Kanomata wrote:
> Yes one can use one muffler at the front. My concern is restriction on
> flow as I have not found a way to make it work easily and efficiently.
> I have seen some , so I will be looking into it, just need to contact me
> to work on it.
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:22 AM Matt Colie via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> JohnL455 wrote on Thu, 18 July 2019 21:56
>>> I am working on 2.25" stock manifold to muffler pipes for 455 right
>> now. My builder has my GM samples. I have sourced dual wall aluminized
>>> mufflers in the same form factor as original. Being dual wall they
>> radiate less noise into the cabin, and have the burn through resistance of
>> the
>>> originals. All road tests have been great. This is for those that
>> want stock replacement parts which are no longer available from GM. Not
>> trying
>>> to compete with performance systems from others. I will update with
>> availability. I still need a good Y pipe sample to complete the project.
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I have an intact Y pipe that I took out because the (existing failed)
>> mufflers were welded to it. I could cut that off and ship the Y to you, if
>> it
>> might help.
>>
>> This will not be immediate, I am still working on my coach.
>>
>> Matt Colie
>> --
>> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
>> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
>> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
>> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>>
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
>
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Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] exhaust - Purchase [message #345554 is a reply to message #345553] |
Fri, 19 July 2019 13:12 |
jimk
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John,
The stock system is available from us, but the demand is low , so cost is
high.
On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Jesse Farr via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Wonder if that Japanese engineer's name was Kanomata ?
>
> jofarr
> Soddy daisy tn
> 74, 76 & 78 26'
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Kanomata via Gmclist
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> To:
> Cc: Jim Kanomata
> Sent: 7/19/2019 9:44:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] exhaust - Purchase
>
> ________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Lot of you need to be aware that a muffler shop cannot bend a pipe with out
> inducing restrictions.
> Mandrel bends are expensive but worth the cost.
> Also the Japanese Engineers figured out that having the muffler toward the
> rear helps to allow exaust flow, as the pulsing waves do not get disturbed
> too early.
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:38 AM Jim Kanomata
> wrote:
>
>> Yes one can use one muffler at the front. My concern is restriction on
>> flow as I have not found a way to make it work easily and efficiently.
>> I have seen some , so I will be looking into it, just need to contact me
>> to work on it.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:22 AM Matt Colie via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> JohnL455 wrote on Thu, 18 July 2019 21:56
>>>> I am working on 2.25" stock manifold to muffler pipes for 455 right
>>> now. My builder has my GM samples. I have sourced dual wall aluminized
>>>> mufflers in the same form factor as original. Being dual wall they
>>> radiate less noise into the cabin, and have the burn through resistance
> of
>>> the
>>>> originals. All road tests have been great. This is for those that
>>> want stock replacement parts which are no longer available from GM. Not
>>> trying
>>>> to compete with performance systems from others. I will update with
>>> availability. I still need a good Y pipe sample to complete the project.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I have an intact Y pipe that I took out because the (existing failed)
>>> mufflers were welded to it. I could cut that off and ship the Y to
> you, if
>>> it
>>> might help.
>>>
>>> This will not be immediate, I am still working on my coach.
>>>
>>> Matt Colie
>>> --
>>> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
>>> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
>>> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
>>> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>>>
>> --
>> Jim Kanomata
>> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
>> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
>> http://www.appliedgmc.com
>> 1-800-752-7502
>>
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
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