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Sun, 16 June 2019 19:59  |
Wardhill
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I was able to take apart my closet to see the waterlines that are running behind there .When I pressurize the system the white braided looking line was leaking in the wall t runs up between the two aluminum frame vertical supports over the ceiling I pulled it apart and it was a weird connection/splice I'm hoping it's just the connection And because it's over half way up the wall I'll need to cut the wall panel😟to get at it. Is this splice supposed to be ther or is it somebody's handiwork? Can't upload a picture
Jeffrey Fleming
1976 edgemonte
Living in Maine
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| Re: Water leak [message #344278 is a reply to message #344265] |
Mon, 17 June 2019 08:49  |
JohnS
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What year and model? I suspect you have an aftermarket splice. Have never seen a "white braided looking" water line behind the closet in my coaches. I would advise replacing that line with something like PEX. Also, like others have suggested, I would advise not connecting to "city" water. Fill the tank & pump your water. Cuts down on the leaks while the coach is unattended.
Good luck, John Shutzbaugh
John Shutzbaugh, Vacaville, CA, ncserv@aol.com;
78 Buskirk stretch, "What were we thinking?"
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| Re: Water leak [message #344285 is a reply to message #344280] |
Mon, 17 June 2019 11:59 |
Wardhill
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im trying to upload a picture
the coach is a 1976 edgemonte side dry bath
when i try to run off the pump pressure wont build up and the pump wont turn off
Jeffrey Fleming
1976 edgemonte
Living in Maine
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| Re: [GMCnet] Water leak [message #344286 is a reply to message #344278] |
Mon, 17 June 2019 12:25 |
jimk
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Also, never drive the coach with the pump on as you'll not know when a leak
develops and the pump starts running.
I prefer a louder pump as i know when the pump comes on when were not using
the water, that there is a leak.
On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 7:15 AM John Shutzbaugh via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> What year and model? I suspect you have an aftermarket splice. Have
> never seen a "white braided looking" water line behind the closet in my
> coaches.
> I would advise replacing that line with something like PEX. Also, like
> others have suggested, I would advise not connecting to "city" water. Fill
> the tank & pump your water. Cuts down on the leaks while the coach is
> unattended.
>
> Good luck, John Shutzbaugh
> --
> John Shutzbaugh, Vacaville, CA, ncserv@aol.com;
> 77 Eleganza, bought it new, can't blame PO; and
> 78 Buskirk stretch, "What were we thinking?"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Water leak [message #344290 is a reply to message #344286] |
Mon, 17 June 2019 13:25 |
Ken Shaffer
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Location: Marion Iowa
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I just put a $10 leak detector back by my tank. runs off 9v battery and
screams like a fire alarm if prongs on bottom get wet.
https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/pumps-tanks/pump-well-tank-accessories/zircon-reg-water-sensor-and-alarm/64003/p-1444448127658-c-8672.htm
This unit has to get wet so it wont alarm you of very leak, but for $10,
its cheap insurance.
Ken Shaffer
Marion, Iowa
73 GMC Canyonlands (455)
73 GMC Glacier (455)
On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 12:27 PM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Also, never drive the coach with the pump on as you'll not know when a leak
> develops and the pump starts running.
> I prefer a louder pump as i know when the pump comes on when were not using
> the water, that there is a leak.
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 7:15 AM John Shutzbaugh via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> What year and model? I suspect you have an aftermarket splice. Have
>> never seen a "white braided looking" water line behind the closet in my
>> coaches.
>> I would advise replacing that line with something like PEX. Also, like
>> others have suggested, I would advise not connecting to "city" water.
> Fill
>> the tank & pump your water. Cuts down on the leaks while the coach is
>> unattended.
>>
>> Good luck, John Shutzbaugh
>> --
>> John Shutzbaugh, Vacaville, CA, ncserv@aol.com;
>> 77 Eleganza, bought it new, can't blame PO; and
>> 78 Buskirk stretch, "What were we thinking?"
>>
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>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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| Re: [GMCnet] Water leak [message #344291 is a reply to message #344286] |
Mon, 17 June 2019 13:35 |
Wardhill
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ok fools update and other stupid questions
it appears the "splice" looking connection is not a break in the water line but vents the fresh water tank. the line runs from the rear top right of the tank (which in my models is on the right side under the rear twin) to the wall behind the closet and just sits there. apparently when filling the tank with city water, once the tank is filled it will continue up this vent line allowing it to leak thru a cylindrical looking screen.
what i dont get is how this is supposed to work. this vent creates an open system that A. does not stop the filling of city water and B. seems to prevent the pump,when not on city connection, to pressurize the system.
Can someone explain how this works ? it doesn't make sense to me
Jeffrey Fleming
1976 edgemonte
Living in Maine
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| Re: [GMCnet] Water leak [message #344292 is a reply to message #344291] |
Mon, 17 June 2019 13:55 |
lqqkatjon
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again- I am not super familiar with edgemonts- yet!
on other coach's, I have seen that fresh water vent tied up to the black tank in a wall space. Stupid as hell, because like you said, if it over-fills you have a leak. Even though it should never be allowed to fill that full. I have routed mine and a few others to drain out into the propane compartment and down to the ground.
With that said, the city water should not be able to normally fill up your tank. the tank fill should be a separate spot to fill up just the fresh tank with water.
your pump should keep any city water from filling up the fresh tank. From my knowledge(based on like palm beach, eleganza, kingsly, ect..), the fresh tank has a vent at top. a fill at the top. and a line that goes to the PUMP, with a T fitting with a valve to the floor to drain the tank.
So maybe the check valve that is in your pump is junk, and it is allowing your city to bypass the pump and fill up your fresh water. a new pump is probably in order. You can buy pumps at many price points, and usually(not always), the more the pump costs, it tends to be a little quieter. usually around $100.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Water leak [message #344293 is a reply to message #344292] |
Mon, 17 June 2019 14:30 |
Wardhill
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Thanks Jon, that makes sense i know the city water is filling the fresh water tank and because the pump wont fully pressurize the system the internal check valve must be junk i look into replacing that
Jeffrey Fleming
1976 edgemonte
Living in Maine
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| Re: [GMCnet] Water leak [message #344309 is a reply to message #344297] |
Mon, 17 June 2019 20:08 |
Wardhill
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Thanks all
I've purged the air out of the hot and cold but still get minimal water pressure . Pump when switched on runs continuously . Im going to replace the pump unless the check valve is a separate fitting and not internal to the pump. Off to camping world tomorrow
Jeffrey Fleming
1976 edgemonte
Living in Maine
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| Re: Water leak [message #344324 is a reply to message #344265] |
Tue, 18 June 2019 07:11 |
jhbridges
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The city water inlet ahiould hasve a check valve it the line. Usually hidden behind a cabinet. It will freeze and split, I had it happen. If it has, the pump will run continuously and water will leak behind the cabinet. I simply removed mine and capped both ends of the pipe. This means I have to fill the tank and ryun the pump which suits me. Don't have to worry about a pressured leak.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: Water leak [message #344343 is a reply to message #344265] |
Wed, 19 June 2019 06:46 |
jhbridges
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Much better choice. Mine had a hardware store PVC check valve.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: Water leak / plumbing diagram [message #344354 is a reply to message #344343] |
Wed, 19 June 2019 18:02 |
Wardhill
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Does anybody know where i can get a basic hot / cold plumbing diagram ? I have the ones in the owners manual but they are very vague. I ,m particularly interested in the splits from the pump supply and city water route. Let me know if you need additional clarification of what im looking for
Thanks
Jeff
Jeffrey Fleming
1976 edgemonte
Living in Maine
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