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Sun, 12 May 2019 19:17  |
Dolph Santorine
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I’m now able to measure the bitting on the keys and cut keys for our Motorhomes.
It’s not clear in the manual if the possible key way codes are different by year.
There are codes on your keys that relate to the key blank (example B50 and B45)
For example, my 1977 coach uses a C for the ignition and a H for the door.
Please look at your keys and email me the key way single letter code and the year of your coach to dolph@dolphsantorine.com
I’ll be doing this with the blanks I have this season, and look forward to being able to cover all possible key ways on our coaches.
You may ask how a dot com guy ends up doing keys.
Last fall, the locksmith we used for our rental apartments had a stroke, and we were not happy with our options. So I learned to re-pin lock cylinders and cut keys. The equipment we have will also cut 6 and 10 pin GM keys.
Thanks for your help.
Dolph Santorine
DE AD0LF
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
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| Re: [GMCnet] Keys [message #343289 is a reply to message #343287] |
Sun, 12 May 2019 19:40  |
emerystora
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We had a member, Joe Ekyl, that knew everything about GMC keys. He used to come to all our conventions and could cut keys there for anyone. He died this last year. His family might have some of his records which I am sure would show a listing of all keys for any GMC model. You might contact his family to see if they would assist you.
Emery Stora
Emery
> On May 12, 2019, at 6:17 PM, Adolph Santorine via Gmclist wrote:
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> I’m now able to measure the bitting on the keys and cut keys for our Motorhomes.
>
> It’s not clear in the manual if the possible key way codes are different by year.
>
> There are codes on your keys that relate to the key blank (example B50 and B45)
>
> For example, my 1977 coach uses a C for the ignition and a H for the door.
>
> Please look at your keys and email me the key way single letter code and the year of your coach to dolph@dolphsantorine.com
>
> I’ll be doing this with the blanks I have this season, and look forward to being able to cover all possible key ways on our coaches.
>
> You may ask how a dot com guy ends up doing keys.
>
> Last fall, the locksmith we used for our rental apartments had a stroke, and we were not happy with our options. So I learned to re-pin lock cylinders and cut keys. The equipment we have will also cut 6 and 10 pin GM keys.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Dolph Santorine
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> DE AD0LF
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> Wheeling, West Virginia
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> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
> Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
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>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Keys [message #343290 is a reply to message #343289] |
Sun, 12 May 2019 21:41 |
powwerjon
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Joe Ekl, who passed away a few years back put on a Great session on GMC locks and Keys. Explains all the ins and outs of the GMC Keying system and do’s and don’ts.
You can download the presentation from the GMCMI website:
https://www.gmcmi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ekl-Lock-presentation-Dothan.pdf
Your 1077 coach would use a “E” key for the ignition and a “H” for the door.
The “C” key is for the ignition for a 1976 coach.
Regards
J.R. Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMC Eastern States Charter Member
GMCMI
78 GMC Buskirk 29.5’ Stretch
75 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
> On May 12, 2019, at 8:40 PM, Emery Stora via Gmclist wrote:
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> We had a member, Joe Ekyl, that knew everything about GMC keys. He used to come to all our conventions and could cut keys there for anyone. He died this last year. His family might have some of his records which I am sure would show a listing of all keys for any GMC model. You might contact his family to see if they would assist you.
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> Emery Stora
>
> Emery
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>> On May 12, 2019, at 6:17 PM, Adolph Santorine via Gmclist wrote:
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>> I’m now able to measure the bitting on the keys and cut keys for our Motorhomes.
>>
>> It’s not clear in the manual if the possible key way codes are different by year.
>>
>> There are codes on your keys that relate to the key blank (example B50 and B45)
>>
>> For example, my 1977 coach uses a C for the ignition and a H for the door.
>>
>> Please look at your keys and email me the key way single letter code and the year of your coach to dolph@dolphsantorine.com
>>
>> I’ll be doing this with the blanks I have this season, and look forward to being able to cover all possible key ways on our coaches.
>>
>> You may ask how a dot com guy ends up doing keys.
>>
>> Last fall, the locksmith we used for our rental apartments had a stroke, and we were not happy with our options. So I learned to re-pin lock cylinders and cut keys. The equipment we have will also cut 6 and 10 pin GM keys.
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>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Dolph Santorine
>>
>> DE AD0LF
>>
>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>
>> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
>> Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
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| Re: [GMCnet] Keys [message #343293 is a reply to message #343287] |
Mon, 13 May 2019 08:41 |
JohnL455
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Joe would show you how to make a cut depth reader tool from a metal spatula with the tapered slots. Just put down a piece of masking tape and measure a variety of non worn keys. Where they stop sliding in the taper, make a mark with Sharpie. Once you get the 5 positions all marked you can number them 1-5.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Keys [message #343294 is a reply to message #343293] |
Mon, 13 May 2019 09:12 |
Dolph Santorine
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John, I don’t think I’ll ever be that level of “McGyver”
Dolph
DE AD0LF
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
> On May 13, 2019, at 9:41 AM, John R. Lebetski via Gmclist wrote:
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> Joe would show you how to make a cut depth reader tool from a metal spatula with the tapered slots. Just put down a piece of masking tape and measure
> a variety of non worn keys. Where they stop sliding in the taper, make a mark with Sharpie. Once you get the 5 positions all marked you can number
> them 1-5.
> --
> John Lebetski
> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Keys [message #343295 is a reply to message #343294] |
Mon, 13 May 2019 12:37 |
Dave Stragand
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You can level up with this:
http://www.lockmasters.com/chrysler-ford-gm-automotive-key-decoder-kd03
You can actually buy the gauges to make new keys for existing locks without a known key as well.
-Dave
PS – My PA license place is “MCGYVER” (yes, really)
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Keys
John, I don’t think I’ll ever be that level of “McGyver”
Dolph
DE AD0LF
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
> On May 13, 2019, at 9:41 AM, John R. Lebetski via Gmclist wrote:
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> Joe would show you how to make a cut depth reader tool from a metal spatula with the tapered slots. Just put down a piece of masking tape and measure
> a variety of non worn keys. Where they stop sliding in the taper, make a mark with Sharpie. Once you get the 5 positions all marked you can number
> them 1-5.
> --
> John Lebetski
> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
>
>
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Pittsburgh, PA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Keys [message #343296 is a reply to message #343295] |
Mon, 13 May 2019 12:42 |
Dolph Santorine
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That’s how you do it… and the gauges are specific by lock type.
Dolph
DE AD0LF
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
> On May 13, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Dave Stragand via Gmclist wrote:
>
> You can level up with this:
> http://www.lockmasters.com/chrysler-ford-gm-automotive-key-decoder-kd03
>
> You can actually buy the gauges to make new keys for existing locks without a known key as well.
>
> -Dave
> PS – My PA license place is “MCGYVER” (yes, really)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Dolph Santorine via Gmclist
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 10:13 AM
> To: GMC List
> Cc: Dolph Santorine
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Keys
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> John, I don’t think I’ll ever be that level of “McGyver”
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> Dolph
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> DE AD0LF
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> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>
> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
>
>> On May 13, 2019, at 9:41 AM, John R. Lebetski via Gmclist wrote:
>>
>> Joe would show you how to make a cut depth reader tool from a metal spatula with the tapered slots. Just put down a piece of masking tape and measure
>> a variety of non worn keys. Where they stop sliding in the taper, make a mark with Sharpie. Once you get the 5 positions all marked you can number
>> them 1-5.
>> --
>> John Lebetski
>> Woodstock, IL
>> 77 Eleganza II
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Keys [message #343300 is a reply to message #343290] |
Mon, 13 May 2019 20:42 |
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Tom Lins
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powwerjon wrote on Sun, 12 May 2019 22:41Joe Ekl, who passed away a few years back put on a Great session on GMC locks and Keys. Explains all the ins and outs of the GMC Keying system and do's and don'ts.
You can download the presentation from the GMCMI website:
https://www.gmcmi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ekl-Lock-presentation-Dothan.pdf
Your 1077 coach would use a "E" key for the ignition and a "H" for the door.
The "C" key is for the ignition for a 1976 coach.
Regards
J.R. Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMC Eastern States Charter Member
GMCMI
Like Dolph I have a 77 and my ignition key is a "C" and the other key is a "H"
I am wondering what that means? Mine was made 11-10-1976 and my VIN is TZE267V100920 which is 100 past Dolph's so both of our coaches were made in 1976.
Is it possible that the ignition key follows the manufacture date and the other key follows the model year?
Guess one would need to find a 1977 made in 1977 to see what blanks they use.
Tom Lins
St Augustine, FL
77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, Aluminum Radiator Quad-Bag Suspension Solar Panel
Manuals on DVD
YOUTUBE Channel: GMC Dealer Training Tapes
http://www.bdub.net/tomlins/
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