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Fri, 26 April 2019 18:30  |
Len Novak
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There is a Palm Beach in the Marine Corps Air Station RV lot in San Diego.
Anyone know the owner as it seems to have been there for years. It is
visible of I-15..
Len and Pat Novak
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| Re: [GMCnet] Palm Beach [message #342863 is a reply to message #342862] |
Fri, 26 April 2019 19:46  |
Ken Henderson
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Len,
There's a common term among service members: "the vagaries of military
life". It means one doesn't have any idea what or where tomorrow may
bring. It's definitely not certain, but it's VERY possible that the owner
of that GMC received orders which did not allow them time to dispose of or
move it before shipping out to ???. They may still be in some remote
location; stationed too far away to have been able to retrieve it; or,
worst case, never going to be able to return to it. It's entirely possible
that someone inherited it without knowing of its existence.
If you can gain access to the base, you can ask at the gate where to find
the responsible office for the Privately Owned Vehicle (POV) storage lot.
The staff there probably will not give you ANY information about the GMC.
But they MIGHT accept a stamped envelope containing a letter to the owner
and mail it to them without letting you see the address. That's probably
the most likely way to make contact.
The "vagaries" are very real. Witness my really very stable 23 years in
USAF: 18 moves during that time! And that included one 3-year and two
4-year assignments! We were lucky -- some move a lot. :-)
Hey wait -- why am I telling you this, Len? Aren't you retired USAF also?
B-52 driver? 'Scuse my tired old brain!
Ken H.
On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 7:30 PM Len Novak via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> There is a Palm Beach in the Marine Corps Air Station RV lot in San Diego.
> Anyone know the owner as it seems to have been there for years. It is
> visible of I-15.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Palm Beach [message #342865 is a reply to message #342863] |
Fri, 26 April 2019 20:01 |
Gary Worobec
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The coach at Miramar has been there for a least 5 years now that I can recall.
GW
> On Apr 26, 2019, at 5:46 PM, Ken Henderson via Gmclist wrote:
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> Len,
>
> There's a common term among service members: "the vagaries of military
> life". It means one doesn't have any idea what or where tomorrow may
> bring. It's definitely not certain, but it's VERY possible that the owner
> of that GMC received orders which did not allow them time to dispose of or
> move it before shipping out to ???. They may still be in some remote
> location; stationed too far away to have been able to retrieve it; or,
> worst case, never going to be able to return to it. It's entirely possible
> that someone inherited it without knowing of its existence.
>
> If you can gain access to the base, you can ask at the gate where to find
> the responsible office for the Privately Owned Vehicle (POV) storage lot.
> The staff there probably will not give you ANY information about the GMC.
> But they MIGHT accept a stamped envelope containing a letter to the owner
> and mail it to them without letting you see the address. That's probably
> the most likely way to make contact.
>
> The "vagaries" are very real. Witness my really very stable 23 years in
> USAF: 18 moves during that time! And that included one 3-year and two
> 4-year assignments! We were lucky -- some move a lot. :-)
>
> Hey wait -- why am I telling you this, Len? Aren't you retired USAF also?
> B-52 driver? 'Scuse my tired old brain!
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 7:30 PM Len Novak via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> There is a Palm Beach in the Marine Corps Air Station RV lot in San Diego.
>> Anyone know the owner as it seems to have been there for years. It is
>> visible of I-15.
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Palm Beach [message #342868 is a reply to message #342863] |
Fri, 26 April 2019 20:40 |
Ken Burton
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Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 26 April 2019 19:46
never going to be able to return to it. It's entirely possible
that someone inherited it without knowing of its existence.
I had a friend stationed at Offutt is the 60's. One Saturday he pulled in his 1956 Chevy and went inside to get something. Someone ran in and said you have to go now, we are on an alert. He was given a lift out to the airplane and was the last one on. He was dressed in civis. He said they did this alert BS all the time there. They usually got in buckled up, the plane taxied to the end of the runway and the alert was cancelled. Well, this time the plane took off and after a refuel or two they ended up in Thailand. He spent 27 months there. He had to send back to Offutt get someone to pack his stuff and ship it because all he had was the civis he was wearing. His received stuff did not include his car. He never saw it again.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Palm Beach [message #342869 is a reply to message #342868] |
Fri, 26 April 2019 21:43 |
Ken Henderson
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Yep, that's one of them "vagaries". Always fun.
Ken H.
On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:42 PM Ken Burton via Gmclist <
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> Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 26 April 2019 19:46
>> never going to be able to return to it. It's entirely possible
>> that someone inherited it without knowing of its existence.
>
> I had a friend stationed at Offutt is the 60's. One Saturday he pulled in
> his 1056 Chevy and went inside to get something. Someone ran in and said
> you have to go now we are on alert. He was given a lift out to the
> airplane and was the last one on. He was dressed in civis. He said they
> did this
> alert BS all the time there. Every got in buckled up, the plane taxied to
> the end of the runway and the alert was cancelled. Well this time the
> plane took off and after a refuel or two ended up in Thailand. He spent
> 27 months there. He had to send back to Offutt get someone to pack his
> stuff
> and ship it because all he had was the civis he was wearing. His received
> stuff did not include his car. He never saw it again.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Palm Beach [message #342871 is a reply to message #342869] |
Fri, 26 April 2019 23:32 |
James Hupy
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When you are young and stupid, the m ilitary sounds kinda cool. Travel the
world, see really interesting stuff, work on multi-million dollar toys,
etc. You go along with the regimentation and respect the rank of superiors
because of the stripes and brass ornaments, not some of the people who wear
them. When orders come down to your level, you get busy and pack your go
bag not knowing where you will wind up. Big adventures, danger, excitement,
it is a huge attraction for a country boy from a small logging town of 250
people in the foothills of the Cascades.
Once you have repeated this stuff a few times, the new kinda wears
off. In my case, after 9 years in Uncle Sam's marching and shooting
society, I had enough of it. Living through the Cold? War didn't help much
either. I realized that, for me at least, the best rank was PFC. Poor F-ing
Civillian. Wouldn't give 2cents to do it again, but, wouldn't take a
million dollars for the experience. Your experiences will vary.
Jim Hupy
On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 7:44 PM Ken Henderson via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Yep, that's one of them "vagaries". Always fun.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:42 PM Ken Burton via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 26 April 2019 19:46
>>> never going to be able to return to it. It's entirely possible
>>> that someone inherited it without knowing of its existence.
>>
>> I had a friend stationed at Offutt is the 60's. One Saturday he pulled
> in
>> his 1056 Chevy and went inside to get something. Someone ran in and said
>> you have to go now we are on alert. He was given a lift out to the
>> airplane and was the last one on. He was dressed in civis. He said they
>> did this
>> alert BS all the time there. Every got in buckled up, the plane taxied
> to
>> the end of the runway and the alert was cancelled. Well this time the
>> plane took off and after a refuel or two ended up in Thailand. He spent
>> 27 months there. He had to send back to Offutt get someone to pack his
>> stuff
>> and ship it because all he had was the civis he was wearing. His
> received
>> stuff did not include his car. He never saw it again.
>> --
>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>> 76 Palm Beach
>> Hebron, Indiana
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Palm Beach [message #342875 is a reply to message #342862] |
Sat, 27 April 2019 07:47 |
jhbridges
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The other side of that coin - and note, I was a FANG - 22 years in, they send me a little check every month. I go for cataracts, show my ID, cost me $12because I opted for the glasses with nose pads. Every six months diabetic checkup. Free. eight pills a day for diabetes. Currently $28 every three months... or I can go downtown and get them free. Worth the 28 to skip Atlanta traffic. Up Periscope test every five years (family history of colon cancer) no charge. Something or other Paula did got a $280 bill from the doctor. Three months later got a check from them for $280 - TriCare paid it. Etc. I'm not sure if I could cover health costs on fixed income. I certain;y wouldn't be able to run (or own) my GMC without it. 10% off at Lowes and many other places. Etc. And as I tell people, most of it was fun. Had its moments.
As Hupy sez, your mileage may very.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Palm Beach [message #342900 is a reply to message #342875] |
Sat, 27 April 2019 22:02 |
Hal StClair
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I have watched for that GMC for at least the last 5 years as our daughter lives in Ramona (her husband is a 22 year Naval Officer,GREAT guy) Saw it being driven back to it's space a couple of years ago so guess it might get an occasional work out. I think there are actually two GMC's parked there BTW although the one visible from highway is the one I always try to spot as we're driving through. But with the traffic there you have to be quick.
Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
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| Re: [GMCnet] Palm Beach [message #342901 is a reply to message #342900] |
Sat, 27 April 2019 22:41 |
Ken Henderson
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About 4 years ago a GMCer in Montgomery, AL called me to say that a GMC had
been in the storage lot at Gunter AFB for many years. He'd just been
contacted by the ex-wife of the recently deceased USAF retiree owner.
Seems she nursed him through his final days after their divorce. He left
her the GMC (only, of all his possessions). She couldn't even get on the
base without an escort. John Beaver, my local engine builder, expressed an
interest in the coach, so he and I met her and the GMCer at Gunter.
The tags on the GMC were from 1993, so it probably hadn't been started from
then until we got it running that day. The roof vent covers had
disintegrated, allowing the big roll of carpet stored in the "living room"
to become saturated some years before. One of the "fixed" side windows was
open 5" and could not be closed. the brakes were so frozen we couldn't
move it. The tires were inflated, but you could almost see the air in
them. But, John bought the coach at a good price -- knowing virtually
nothing about GMCs.
The next Saturday, we returned with my Alcoas and tires, new calipers,
etc., etc. And John drove it the 150 miles home that evening. He has
since refurbished the interior, with new floors, sprayed insulation, new
headliner, side walls, bath module moved forward to allow rear twin beds,
flash water heater, etc., etc., etc. What he has not done, despited being
a professional engine builder, is touch the engine or transmission -- no
obvious need to! :-)
That was just the start of John's adventure: We "rescued" another one a
couple of years ago that had been parked for an unknown number of years
after having been bought out of another military base's storage lot. We
had to use a tractor to pull in out of the mud which it had sunken into.
He drove that one about 160 miles that evening with the only mishap being
the deer he hit. Fortunately that was with the left bumper rather than the
right one where we'd strapped the 5 gallon gas can. That one's seen
extensive use for family trips -- again, with no engine or transmission
issues.
He's since bought still a third one, just rescued, after many idle years,
by another GMCer -- 265 miles from here. He's planning to keep that Avion
because it's his favorite floor plan. Again, no plans for engine or
transmission work, based on performance. :-)
I've written all this because at least two of the 3 were likely victims of
"the vagaries of military life". And to emphasize that our drivetrains
are pretty darned dependable (despite my having had about 6 of them in the
23' which I will have owned for 21 years a/o next Tuesday).
Ken H.
On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:03 PM Hal StClair via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> I have watched for that GMC for at least the last 5 years as our daughter
> lives in Ramona (her husband is a 22 year Naval Officer,GREAT guy) Saw it
> being driven back to it's space a couple of years ago so guess it might
> get an occasional work out. I think there are actually two GMC's parked
> there
> BTW although the one visible from highway is the one I always try to spot
> as we're driving through. But with the traffic there you have to be quick.
> Hal
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] Palm Beach [message #342902 is a reply to message #342900] |
Sun, 28 April 2019 00:49 |
Len Novak
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Just for grins I'll make some call on Monday. Worst that can happen I can
drive down there (50)miles and see what I can find out.
Len and Pat Novak
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Palm Beach
I have watched for that GMC for at least the last 5 years as our daughter
lives in Ramona (her husband is a 22 year Naval Officer,GREAT guy) Saw it
being driven back to it's space a couple of years ago so guess it might get
an occasional work out. I think there are actually two GMC's parked there
BTW although the one visible from highway is the one I always try to spot as
we're driving through. But with the traffic there you have to be quick.
Hal
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1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1975 Eleganza II, 101230,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Palm Beach [message #342996 is a reply to message #342901] |
Tue, 30 April 2019 18:03 |
Len Novak
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Update
There are two GMC's on MCAS Miramar. A 74 and a 77. I believe the 77 is
the Palm Beach.
I can drop off a GMC Pacific Cruiser Newsletter at the MCAS Vehicle Storage
office and they will post it.
Next trip down there that is what I'll do.
Maybe I can get the TZE numbers from the office.
Len and Pat Novak
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken
Henderson via Gmclist
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 8:42 PM
To: GMC Mail List
Cc: Ken Henderson; Hal StClair
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Palm Beach
About 4 years ago a GMCer in Montgomery, AL called me to say that a GMC had
been in the storage lot at Gunter AFB for many years. He'd just been
contacted by the ex-wife of the recently deceased USAF retiree owner.
Seems she nursed him through his final days after their divorce. He left
her the GMC (only, of all his possessions). She couldn't even get on the
base without an escort. John Beaver, my local engine builder, expressed an
interest in the coach, so he and I met her and the GMCer at Gunter.
The tags on the GMC were from 1993, so it probably hadn't been started from
then until we got it running that day. The roof vent covers had
disintegrated, allowing the big roll of carpet stored in the "living room"
to become saturated some years before. One of the "fixed" side windows was
open 5" and could not be closed. the brakes were so frozen we couldn't
move it. The tires were inflated, but you could almost see the air in
them. But, John bought the coach at a good price -- knowing virtually
nothing about GMCs.
The next Saturday, we returned with my Alcoas and tires, new calipers,
etc., etc. And John drove it the 150 miles home that evening. He has
since refurbished the interior, with new floors, sprayed insulation, new
headliner, side walls, bath module moved forward to allow rear twin beds,
flash water heater, etc., etc., etc. What he has not done, despited being
a professional engine builder, is touch the engine or transmission -- no
obvious need to! :-)
That was just the start of John's adventure: We "rescued" another one a
couple of years ago that had been parked for an unknown number of years
after having been bought out of another military base's storage lot. We
had to use a tractor to pull in out of the mud which it had sunken into.
He drove that one about 160 miles that evening with the only mishap being
the deer he hit. Fortunately that was with the left bumper rather than the
right one where we'd strapped the 5 gallon gas can. That one's seen
extensive use for family trips -- again, with no engine or transmission
issues.
He's since bought still a third one, just rescued, after many idle years,
by another GMCer -- 265 miles from here. He's planning to keep that Avion
because it's his favorite floor plan. Again, no plans for engine or
transmission work, based on performance. :-)
I've written all this because at least two of the 3 were likely victims of
"the vagaries of military life". And to emphasize that our drivetrains
are pretty darned dependable (despite my having had about 6 of them in the
23' which I will have owned for 21 years a/o next Tuesday).
Ken H.
On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:03 PM Hal StClair via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> I have watched for that GMC for at least the last 5 years as our daughter
> lives in Ramona (her husband is a 22 year Naval Officer,GREAT guy) Saw
it
> being driven back to it's space a couple of years ago so guess it might
> get an occasional work out. I think there are actually two GMC's parked
> there
> BTW although the one visible from highway is the one I always try to spot
> as we're driving through. But with the traffic there you have to be quick.
> Hal
> --
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Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Palm Beach [message #343000 is a reply to message #342996] |
Tue, 30 April 2019 18:40 |
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YES! Great idea! :-)
Billy Massey
The GMC Motorhome Registry
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 6:04 PM Len Novak via Gmclist
wrote:
> Update
>
> There are two GMC's on MCAS Miramar. A 74 and a 77. I believe the 77 is
> the Palm Beach.
>
> I can drop off a GMC Pacific Cruiser Newsletter at the MCAS Vehicle Storage
> office and they will post it.
>
> Next trip down there that is what I'll do.
>
> Maybe I can get the TZE numbers from the office.
>
> Len and Pat Novak
> 1978 GMC Kingsley
> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>
> www.bdub.net/novak/
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken
> Henderson via Gmclist
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 8:42 PM
> To: GMC Mail List
> Cc: Ken Henderson; Hal StClair
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Palm Beach
>
> About 4 years ago a GMCer in Montgomery, AL called me to say that a GMC had
> been in the storage lot at Gunter AFB for many years. He'd just been
> contacted by the ex-wife of the recently deceased USAF retiree owner.
> Seems she nursed him through his final days after their divorce. He left
> her the GMC (only, of all his possessions). She couldn't even get on the
> base without an escort. John Beaver, my local engine builder, expressed an
> interest in the coach, so he and I met her and the GMCer at Gunter.
>
> The tags on the GMC were from 1993, so it probably hadn't been started from
> then until we got it running that day. The roof vent covers had
> disintegrated, allowing the big roll of carpet stored in the "living room"
> to become saturated some years before. One of the "fixed" side windows was
> open 5" and could not be closed. the brakes were so frozen we couldn't
> move it. The tires were inflated, but you could almost see the air in
> them. But, John bought the coach at a good price -- knowing virtually
> nothing about GMCs.
>
> The next Saturday, we returned with my Alcoas and tires, new calipers,
> etc., etc. And John drove it the 150 miles home that evening. He has
> since refurbished the interior, with new floors, sprayed insulation, new
> headliner, side walls, bath module moved forward to allow rear twin beds,
> flash water heater, etc., etc., etc. What he has not done, despited being
> a professional engine builder, is touch the engine or transmission -- no
> obvious need to! :-)
>
> That was just the start of John's adventure: We "rescued" another one a
> couple of years ago that had been parked for an unknown number of years
> after having been bought out of another military base's storage lot. We
> had to use a tractor to pull in out of the mud which it had sunken into.
> He drove that one about 160 miles that evening with the only mishap being
> the deer he hit. Fortunately that was with the left bumper rather than the
> right one where we'd strapped the 5 gallon gas can. That one's seen
> extensive use for family trips -- again, with no engine or transmission
> issues.
>
> He's since bought still a third one, just rescued, after many idle years,
> by another GMCer -- 265 miles from here. He's planning to keep that Avion
> because it's his favorite floor plan. Again, no plans for engine or
> transmission work, based on performance. :-)
>
> I've written all this because at least two of the 3 were likely victims of
> "the vagaries of military life". And to emphasize that our drivetrains
> are pretty darned dependable (despite my having had about 6 of them in the
> 23' which I will have owned for 21 years a/o next Tuesday).
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:03 PM Hal StClair via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I have watched for that GMC for at least the last 5 years as our daughter
>> lives in Ramona (her husband is a 22 year Naval Officer,GREAT guy) Saw
> it
>> being driven back to it's space a couple of years ago so guess it might
>> get an occasional work out. I think there are actually two GMC's parked
>> there
>> BTW although the one visible from highway is the one I always try to spot
>> as we're driving through. But with the traffic there you have to be
> quick.
>> Hal
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