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Re: [GMCnet] Front Axle Rplacement ( times two ) [message #336666] Sun, 02 September 2018 22:04 Go to next message
BobDunahugh is currently offline  BobDunahugh   United States
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The first time that I ever removed those large axle nut. A big truck service center had messed with them for the PO. Got the cotter key out. Ended up using a big 3/4" drive ratchet. Put a 6 ft pipe over the ratchet. Put me at 195 lbs. Standing on the end of the pipe. Next I had to jump on that pipe to get each nut loose. I didn't reuse the axles, or nuts. How did they get them that tight. And how did the axle, and nut take that? Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale.
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Re: [GMCnet] Front Axle Rplacement ( times two ) [message #336669 is a reply to message #336666] Mon, 03 September 2018 06:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bruce Hart is currently offline  Bruce Hart   United States
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Sounds about right. I have broken two 1/2" breaker bars trying to loosen
that nut.

On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 9:04 PM Bob Dunahugh wrote:

> The first time that I ever removed those large axle nut. A big truck
> service center had messed with them for the PO. Got the cotter key out.
> Ended up using a big 3/4" drive ratchet. Put a 6 ft pipe over the
> ratchet. Put me at 195 lbs. Standing on the end of the pipe. Next I had to
> jump on that pipe to get each nut loose. I didn't reuse the axles, or nuts.
> How did they get them that tight. And how did the axle, and nut take that?
> Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale.
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Re: [GMCnet] Front Axle Rplacement ( times two ) [message #336670 is a reply to message #336669] Mon, 03 September 2018 07:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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The last one of those I worked on, my daughter set up a 3/4" breaker bar with a 5 feet cheater extension pipe. At 120 pounds she could not break them loose. I had to jump on it with my 200 pounds to get them loose.

A side note.
I do not like putting all of that torque on the trans parking pawl. So when we do it, I have someone inside on the brakes while the other person jumps on the cheater.


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Re: [GMCnet] Front Axle Rplacement ( times two ) [message #336676 is a reply to message #336666] Mon, 03 September 2018 09:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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BobDunahugh wrote on Sun, 02 September 2018 23:04
The first time that I ever removed those large axle nut. A big truck service center had messed with them for the PO. Got the cotter key out. Ended up using a big 3/4" drive ratchet. Put a 6 ft pipe over the ratchet. Put me at 195 lbs. Standing on the end of the pipe. Next I had to jump on that pipe to get each nut loose. I didn't reuse the axles, or nuts. How did they get them that tight. And how did the axle, and nut take that?
Bob Dunahugh
78 Royale.
Bob,

When I let my compressor turn off at 150psi, my good CP air impact will probably get them that tight.

If you run the numbers on the nut and knuckle stub, the load it can take is WAY UP THERE. (That means he forgot what he did figure out years ago.)

The book says something like: Twist it to X-lbft and then go to the next place you can get the cotter in. Well, if you just missed one, that means you need another 27° and that may be a lot.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Front Axle Rplacement ( times two ) [message #336679 is a reply to message #336676] Mon, 03 September 2018 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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A lot of that is caused by idiots with 3/4 " air ratchets. Mine will easily
do 500 foot pounds. On several occasions, it had to struggle to remove
those nuts someone else tightened.
Jim Hupy


On Mon, Sep 3, 2018, 7:53 AM Matt Colie wrote:

> BobDunahugh wrote on Sun, 02 September 2018 23:04
>> The first time that I ever removed those large axle nut. A big truck
> service center had messed with them for the PO. Got the cotter key out.
> Ended
>> up using a big 3/4" drive ratchet. Put a 6 ft pipe over the ratchet.
> Put me at 195 lbs. Standing on the end of the pipe. Next I had to jump on
>> that pipe to get each nut loose. I didn't reuse the axles, or nuts. How
> did they get them that tight. And how did the axle, and nut take that?
>> Bob Dunahugh
>> 78 Royale.
>
> Bob,
>
> When I let my compressor turn off at 150psi, my good CP air impact will
> probably get them that tight.
>
> If you run the numbers on the nut and knuckle stub, the load it can take
> is WAY UP THERE. (That means he forgot what he did figure out years ago.)
>
> The book says something like: Twist it to X-lbft and then go to the next
> place you can get the cotter in. Well, if you just missed one, that means
> you need another 27° and that may be a lot.
>
> Matt
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Re: [GMCnet] Front Axle Rplacement ( times two ) [message #336681 is a reply to message #336666] Mon, 03 September 2018 14:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jerry Sitzlar is currently offline  Jerry Sitzlar   United States
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When Chuck Boyd was installing new bearings in my front wheels, he discovered both axle nuts to be torqued to 0 ft/lbs! Only the cotter pins were keeping the nuts from falling off. PO had front end work done by a big Truck Repair joint in Jackson, MS according to receipts he left with me. So keep those nuts torqued to spec, it actually helps the coach to drive and steer better, and keeps people safe.

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Re: [GMCnet] Front Axle Rplacement ( times two ) [message #336682 is a reply to message #336666] Mon, 03 September 2018 15:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Larry is currently offline  Larry   United States
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I have zirk fittings on my front knuckles. To grease the front bearings, once a year, I pull the axle nut off, shove the axle in about an inch or so and apply grease to the dirk until I see new grease come out around the seal. I have always felt (JMHO) while you need enough torque to hold it together, that the torque called for was excessive for what that nut has to do. So, I torque it up to 100ftlbs, and then torque to the nearest spot that the cotter pin will go in. Been doing that since 1995 with no issues. Comes off relatively easy for greasing next year. Just what I do.

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Re: [GMCnet] Front Axle Rplacement ( times two ) [message #336683 is a reply to message #336666] Mon, 03 September 2018 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kingd is currently offline  kingd   Canada
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The drive shaft axle nut torque on a 2007 Dodge caravan
is 180 lbs/ft. I'd be leary about anything less
on a GMC HH.


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[GMCnet] New plastic gas tanks needed [message #336686 is a reply to message #336683] Mon, 03 September 2018 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We have a perfectly good 1973 GMC we rebuilt to perfection... 10 years ago... We made it mechanically sound. I removed and coated both rusted gas tanks. That lasted a few years. Now they leak again. If I fill them, the engine runs fine but then leaks all over.

It is a dang shame to have a good GMC motorhome sitting in the barn not able to even be driven into town.

Does anyone have a source yet of reasonable priced replacement bolt in tanks? $ 500.00 is not reasonable. Plastic preferred?

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Re: [GMCnet] Front Axle Rplacement ( times two ) [message #336692 is a reply to message #336683] Mon, 03 September 2018 19:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Nothing wrong with following the official service manual recommended
procedure. Tighten to recommended torque, if the cotter pin holes don't
line up, then tighten the nut until a new cotter pin can be fitted.
Jim Hupy

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018, 2:04 PM Dave King wrote:

> The drive shaft axle nut torque on a 2007 Dodge caravan
> is 180 lbs/ft. I'd be leary about anything less
> on a GMC HH.
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Re: [GMCnet] [OFFnet] New plastic gas tanks needed [message #336693 is a reply to message #336686] Mon, 03 September 2018 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bdub is currently offline  bdub   United States
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Hi Mike

I have a couple of pristine Cinnabar gas tanks, but like you say, they're
not cheap. $1k for the set and they're not cheap to ship either.

Plastic would be the way to go alright with a good steel rock guard.

Good to hear from you again.
Billy


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From: Gmclist On Behalf Of Mike Kilroy
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 5:07 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] New plastic gas tanks needed

We have a perfectly good 1973 GMC we rebuilt to perfection... 10 years
ago... We made it mechanically sound. I removed and coated both rusted gas
tanks. That lasted a few years. Now they leak again. If I fill them, the
engine runs fine but then leaks all over.

It is a dang shame to have a good GMC motorhome sitting in the barn not able
to even be driven into town.

Does anyone have a source yet of reasonable priced replacement bolt in
tanks? $ 500.00 is not reasonable. Plastic preferred?


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Re: [GMCnet] [OFFnet] New plastic gas tanks needed [message #336695 is a reply to message #336693] Mon, 03 September 2018 20:16 Go to previous message
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Rats! Done it again. :-\

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From: Gmclist On Behalf Of Billy Massey
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 7:34 PM
I have a couple of pristine Cinnabar gas tanks, but like you say, they're
not cheap. $1k for the set and they're not cheap to ship either.



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