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Window has a leak, and I have some of those meters [message #334938]

Wed, 11 July 2018 10:51

GatsbysCruise

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Hello everyone and I hope everyones projects and adventures have been fun and enjoyable.

I am feeling really good about Gatsbys' CRUISER. This has been an incredibly long and expensive adventure that, it seems, is about to change the status of the GMC from a lawn ornament to an actual moving motorhome.

I had several leads for dropping the Fuel tanks but will end up taking to Cinnebar Engineering in Michigan. It seems this problem started when the tanks were dropped, and it will end here.

With all this excitement of being able to use the coach, the big start up is happening. I am livening the coach, starting up system that have slept for all these years. Most have come back happy and operational. Others, we have to take a second look at.

---- We have had some rain and I was in the coach and noticed water in the window frame, ON THE INSIDE. This is the kitchen window. It does not open, just a single piece of glass. Has what looks like rubber seals outside around the entire glass. My best guess is the water is getting between the glass at the bottom, or lower sides, fills the frame and then invades the inner frame tracks. I found both tracks full of water.

At this point I don't want to take the window out, I just want to seal it. Obviously, this is a vehicle window and it is not meant to have products used over the rubber seal to seal the window, but at this time this is what I am looking into.
Are there any ideas what could be used, other than silicone, to seal the window? I have some ideas, including a rubber paint that might do the job but I am open to suggestions or warnings.

--- I had listed a message about some inexpensive meters I found at a electronics outlet that I frequent. I don't get anything for mentioning them, I just pass along what I think might be helpful to ya all. These meters include 120v volt meter, 120v AMP meter and 120v Hertz or Freq meter. This indicates BEST use with a generator or inverter situation but the voltage meter could indicate a power concern at an older campground when you plugged in the camper. There are cheap Voltage only meters also.

I do have a set of these and I installed them in a box with a plug and socket. I think for the Solar enthusiast, this setup is really helpful because you can determine the power consumption when plugged in for any device. This is important if your solar system is weak or on the smaller side. I generally call the inverter a watt buster because to create 120 volt power from a 12 volt battery bank you need 10 times the amperage to make the inverted power. That to power a 2 amp 120v appliance, you need to supply the inverter with 20 amps at 12v dc. So at least for my needs, this device is working well. Also helpful is the (rough) info " a 12v 100 ah battery will supply 5amps for 20 hours. I am of course, overlooking the fact that at much higher load requirements, the battery will tend to use charge faster than if supplying a low load. It is because of the chemical reactions of the acids, duration of use, etc.
These meters, and I think they are still available, could work well for the budding solar enthusiast or if you just want to check your voltage if you live remotely.

thanks all
slc
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Re: Window has a leak, and I have some of those meters [message #334947 is a reply to message #334938]

Wed, 11 July 2018 13:12

lqqkatjon

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Another coach (77) had the same water in kitchen window. When compared to my 75, he had no drains???? Mine has drains at bottom.

He carefully drilled a couple very small holes to match my window. and now that water drains out. His window seemed sealed, so not sure how water was in there.

Jon Roche 75 palm beach EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now. St. Cloud, MN http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/

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Re: Window has a leak, and I have some of those meters [message #334951 is a reply to message #334947]

Wed, 11 July 2018 13:41

GatsbysCruise

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lqqkatjon wrote on Wed, 11 July 2018 13:12

Another coach (77) had the same water in kitchen window. When compared to my 75, he had no drains???? Mine has drains at bottom.

He carefully drilled a couple very small holes to match my window. and now that water drains out. His window seemed sealed, so not sure how water was in there.

My coach is a 74 glacier.
I looked at the window frame. it is pretty standard, I am guessing, two end pieces with the center pieces sized to the window.

There is no drain, I guess they depend on the seals to do their job.

So question...... The window has the channel for the glass and seal, and two channels behind that on the inside of the coach. I would guess if used with sliders, a window would occupy one of those channels.

When you talk of drilling for a drain, are you drilling into the channel with the glass and rubber seal or into the next channel after the glass and rubber seal?? There doesn't seem to be a lot of room for error here.

thanks

slc
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Re: [GMCnet] Window has a leak, and I have some of those meters [message #334955 is a reply to message #334938]

Wed, 11 July 2018 14:01

Ken Henderson

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For many years I'd heard great things about "Capt. Tolley's Creeping Crack
Cure". Some years ago I bought a bottle and hauled it around for possibly
100,000 miles. Finally, I opened it and used it on the upper outside frame
of the passenger side window, where I'd had a persistent attitude-dependent
leak. Since applying 3 treatments of that stuff, we've had NO leakage
there during several downpours, with the coach in various attitudes. I
THINK Capt. Tolley's has cured a leak that the carefully installed butyl
didn't prevent.

Here's the Google-compressed URL for West Marine's ad:
https://goo.gl/rRnSJ6

Ken H.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:52 AM slc wrote:

> Hello everyone and I hope everyones projects and adventures have been fun
> and enjoyable.
>
> I am feeling really good about Gatsbys' CRUISER. This has been an
> incredibly long and expensive adventure that, it seems, is about to change
> the
> status of the GMC from a lawn ornament to an actual moving motorhome.
>
> I had several leads for dropping the Fuel tanks but will end up taking to
> Cinnebar Engineering in Michigan. It seems this problem started when the
> tanks were dropped, and it will end here.
>
> With all this excitement of being able to use the coach, the big start up
> is happening. I am livening the coach, starting up system that have slept
> for all these years. Most have come back happy and operational. Others,
> we have to take a second look at.
>
> ---- We have had some rain and I was in the coach and noticed water in the
> window frame, ON THE INSIDE. This is the kitchen window. It does not
> open, just a single piece of glass. Has what looks like rubber seals
> outside around the entire glass. My best guess is the water is getting
> between
> the glass at the bottom, or lower sides, fills the frame and then invades
> the inner frame tracks. I found both tracks full of water.
>
> At this point I don't want to take the window out, I just want to seal
> it. Obviously, this is a vehicle window and it is not meant to have
> products
> used over the rubber seal to seal the window, but at this time this is
> what I am looking into.
> Are there any ideas what could be used, other than silicone, to seal the
> window? I have some ideas, including a rubber paint that might do the job
> but I am open to suggestions or warnings.
>
> --- I had listed a message about some inexpensive meters I found at a
> electronics outlet that I frequent. I don't get anything for mentioning
> them,
> I just pass along what I think might be helpful to ya all. These meters
> include 120v volt meter, 120v AMP meter and 120v Hertz or Freq meter. This
> indicates BEST use with a generator or inverter situation but the voltage
> meter could indicate a power concern at an older campground when you plugged
> in the camper. There are cheap Voltage only meters also.
>
> I do have a set of these and I installed them in a box with a plug and
> socket. I think for the Solar enthusiast, this setup is really helpful
> because you can determine the power consumption when plugged in for any
> device. This is important if your solar system is weak or on the smaller
> side. I generally call the inverter a watt buster because to create 120
> volt power from a 12 volt battery bank you need 10 times the amperage to
> make
> the inverted power. That to power a 2 amp 120v appliance, you need to
> supply the inverter with 20 amps at 12v dc. So at least for my needs, this
> device is working well. Also helpful is the (rough) info " a 12v 100 ah
> battery will supply 5amps for 20 hours. I am of course, overlooking the
> fact that at much higher load requirements, the battery will tend to use
> charge faster than if supplying a low load. It is because of the chemical
> reactions of the acids, duration of use, etc.
> These meters, and I think they are still available, could work well for
> the budding solar enthusiast or if you just want to check your voltage if
> you
> live remotely.
>
> thanks all
> slc
> Gatsbys' CRUISER
> --
> GatsbysCruise. \
> 74GMC260 Former Glacier Model style. \
> Waukegan, Illinois \ Keep those MiniDiscs Spinning \ MY GREYHOUND IS
> FASTER THAN YOUR HONOR ROLL STUDENT \ WindowsXP-Win7-Win8.1-UBUNTU STUDIO -
> UBUNTU VOYAGER - Berzin Auto Center
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Re: Window has a leak, and I have some of those meters [message #334956 is a reply to message #334938]

Wed, 11 July 2018 14:45

lqqkatjon

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He drilled through aluminum. I will get some pics of the drain on mine. And maybe his if i get a chance.

I have capt trolly's in my glove box. Need another 80,000 miles to put on before i break it out?? It has only been in there for maybe 10k?

Jon Roche 75 palm beach EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now. St. Cloud, MN http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/

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Re: Window has a leak, and I have some of those meters [message #334959 is a reply to message #334956]

Wed, 11 July 2018 15:07

GatsbysCruise

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lqqkatjon wrote on Wed, 11 July 2018 14:45

He drilled through aluminum. I will get some pics of the drain on mine. And maybe his if i get a chance.

I have capt trolly's in my glove box. Need another 80,000 miles to put on before i break it out?? It has only been in there for maybe 10k?

OOoooh, is that how it works? I better hurry up and order some Capt'n Trollys and throw it right there in the glove box. I got to do some driving to get 100 k on the clock so I can use it.....

slc
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Re: Window has a leak, and I have some of those meters [message #334960 is a reply to message #334959]

Wed, 11 July 2018 15:30

77Royale

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I recall sometime ago Jim Bounds with the Coop had a pictoral write up or maybe a short video on how he seals the windows from the outside. Basically involved masking off to the edge of the aluminum frame and another masking up snug to the frame but the second line of tape is on the body of the coach. Put a thin bead of the sealer in there and then pull the tape off before the sealer sets up so it leaves a uniform bead all the way around the window. I did this a few years back and it has worked very nicely. The tape keeps the sealer from going all over the paint work and the outside frame of the window. Its a black colored sealer, but I cant recall what brand. Jim K has it. Not 100% sure its the same stuff. but thats the idea anyway.

http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/1667

77 Royale, Rear Dry Bath. 403, 3.55 Final Drive, Lenzi goodies, Patterson carb and dizzy. Mid Michigan

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Re: Window has a leak, and I have some of those meters [message #334962 is a reply to message #334960]

Wed, 11 July 2018 16:36

GatsbysCruise

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The tape is a good idea. Not so sure about silicone, what happens when it is time to paint the frames again? EEeeewwwww.. I had silicone all over the place on the roof and I was still peeling that off months later.

Do you recall, how did they get the seal to work, is it actually on the window glass? the space between my rubber and glass is like micro space. How do they get that stuff in there? how did they treat the edge where the frame is?

I had thought of using some rubber in a spray can but I don't think it was meant to seal on rubber products. Captain Tolleys is a thought. Just need to put some miles on....

I have to admit, one of my first thoughts was silicone, then the floods of memories of trying to get that crap off, oh my gosh.

Well, its whatever works. Got to stop that leak before it damages something.

slc
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Re: [GMCnet] Window has a leak, and I have some of those meters [message #334963 is a reply to message #334959]

Wed, 11 July 2018 16:53

Ken Henderson

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Sorry, but I haven't done controlled tests to determine how many miles
Capt. Tolley's needs to have ridden around before it's effective. Perhaps
someone will undertake that task? I'm afraid I don't have enough miles and
years left in me to complete it!

Ken H.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:07 PM slc wrote:

> lqqkatjon wrote on Wed, 11 July 2018 14:45
> ...
>
>> I have capt trolly's in my glove box. Need another 80,000 miles to put
> on before i break it out?? It has only been in there for maybe 10k?
>
>
> OOoooh, is that how it works? I better hurry up and order some Capt'n
> Trollys and throw it right there in the glove box. I got to do some driving
> to get 100 k on the clock so I can use it.....
>
> slc
> Gatsbys' CRUISER
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Re: [GMCnet] Window has a leak, and I have some of those meters [message #334964 is a reply to message #334960]

Wed, 11 July 2018 16:58

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Wayne,

That's what Jim did to the windows in Double Trouble in 2009 and they haven't leaked since. He replaced the felts as well and made
sure there were slots in the felts that matched up with the slots in the aluminum frames.

However, I can't remember if he did all that taping, I think he did it freehand with a tiny hole in the end of the sealer tube
extension.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808

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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Window has a leak, and I have some of those meters

I recall sometime ago Jim Bounds with the Coop had a pictoral write up or maybe a short video on how he seals the windows from the
outside. Basically involved masking off to the edge of the aluminum frame and another masking up snug to the frame but the second
line of tape is on the body of the coach. Put a thin bead of the sealer in there and then pull the tape off before the sealer sets
up so it leaves a uniform bead all the way around
the window. I did this a few years back and it has worked very nicely. The tape keeps the sealer from going all over the paint
work and the outside frame of the window. Its a black colored sealer, but I cant recall what brand. Jim K has it. Not 100% sure
its the same stuff. but that's the idea anyway.

http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/1667

--
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Mid Michigan

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Re: [GMCnet] Window has a leak, and I have some of those meters [message #334967 is a reply to message #334964]

Wed, 11 July 2018 17:39

77Royale

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I spent twice as long taping each window as I did with the sealer. The point of the tape up to the edge of the window frame is to keep the silicone off of it. It was a super small bead of sealer, May be 2 or 3 16ths of an inch. The pressure from the caulking gun forces it in between the outer edge of the body and where it meets with the inner part of the window frame. Then wet a finger and press it in more. The tape on both sides of the sealer keep it from getting too messy.

Im sure someone with skills and enough practice windows can get it down pretty quickly. (Hint Hint Idea for a rally. buy 6 tubes of sealer and line up the coaches)

But this is all assuming you know the leak is coming from the frame into the body, and not from a leaky seal on a piece of glass to the frame.

77 Royale, Rear Dry Bath. 403, 3.55 Final Drive, Lenzi goodies, Patterson carb and dizzy. Mid Michigan

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Re: [GMCnet] Window has a leak, and I have some of those meters [message #335228 is a reply to message #334963]

Mon, 16 July 2018 03:38

GatsbysCruise

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Ken Henderson wrote on Wed, 11 July 2018 16:53

Sorry, but I haven't done controlled tests to determine how many miles
Capt. Tolley's needs to have ridden around before it's effective. Perhaps
someone will undertake that task? I'm afraid I don't have enough miles and
years left in me to complete it!

Ken H.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:07 PM slc wrote:

> lqqkatjon wrote on Wed, 11 July 2018 14:45
> ...
>
>> I have capt trolly's in my glove box. Need another 80,000 miles to put
> on before i break it out?? It has only been in there for maybe 10k?
>
>
> OOoooh, is that how it works? I better hurry up and order some Capt'n
> Trollys and throw it right there in the glove box. I got to do some driving
> to get 100 k on the clock so I can use it.....
>
> slc
> Gatsbys' CRUISER
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AaaaaHaaa... Ok Ken. I just received my bottle of Capt'n Trollys. I had to do a test drive tonight so I took the Cap'ns and threw it right there in the glove box. Put about 10 miles on her, that ought to shake it up a bit.
We had some rain the other day so waiting for the seals to dry before I apply this and see how it goes.

Will let you know if I put enough miles on the Cap'n so it would work. Very Happy

Thanks for the tip.

slc
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