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Windows - early or late style? [message #334821] |
Sun, 08 July 2018 20:22 |
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GMC2000
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I think I like the early style windows more than the later ones. they seem to be easier to open and close. probably because of the handles, not sure.
I also like the locks on the old style but Im not sure if the later one I looked at was original. the lock on it was a removable metal strip that you placed into position to lock it. is this how all the later ones operate?
can the later ones be retro fitted with early handles/locks? what else is different and any pros/cons of either?
Ive read about the outer frame was changed to one piece and that it looks better. other than looks though, what else do these one piece frames have going for them or not?
can the glass itself be interchanged from both? is one style more prone to leakage than the other?
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Re: [GMCnet] Windows - early or late style? [message #334824 is a reply to message #334821] |
Sun, 08 July 2018 20:30 |
jimk
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You need to look at our website to see what is new style.
Should you have questons never hesitate to contact us .
The New ones are considerably quiet as it is gasked 100 %, while the older
ones use a fin gasket that does not seal very much.
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 6:22 PM, GMC2000 wrote:
> I think I like the early style windows more than the later ones. they seem
> to be easier to open and close. probably because of the handles, not sure.
>
> I also like the locks on the old style but Im not sure if the later one I
> looked at was original. the lock on it was a removable metal strip that you
> placed into position to lock it. is this how all the later ones operate?
>
> can the later ones be retro fitted with early handles/locks? what else is
> different and any pros/cons of either?
>
> Ive read about the outer frame was changed to one piece and that it looks
> better. other than looks though, what else do these one piece frames have
> going for them or not?
>
> can the glass itself be interchanged from both? is one style more prone to
> leakage than the other?
>
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Windows - early or late style? [message #334838 is a reply to message #334837] |
Mon, 09 July 2018 08:50 |
Olly Schmidt
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Where would you want a power window? Cockpit? imho nothing beats the speed of the original windows (opening and closing).
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Re: [GMCnet] Windows - early or late style? [message #334883 is a reply to message #334857] |
Mon, 09 July 2018 19:26 |
tphipps
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The original windows came in two versions; early had multipiece frames and the locks were on the sliding window, later had single piece frame and the lock is on the fixed portion (I hope I remembered that correctly!). The first design of replacement windows had a small sliding portion for fresh air. The second design has a small folding portion that opens for fresh air by being hinged at the top.
When folded out, it keeps the rain out of the coach fairly well. This is the design that JmK is now selling.
The original design lets in more outside air flow. But, with A/C, this feature may not matter.
I think if GM had done a little more testing in the Deep South, keeping the coach cool would have been a higher consideration.
Replacing the windows is not difficult. Hiwever, the interior trim will no longer work.
Tom
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
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Re: [GMCnet] Windows - early or late style? [message #334894 is a reply to message #334890] |
Tue, 10 July 2018 09:45 |
jimk
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Bounds and ours is the identical as we team up to ake hem available.
Both the cocpit and the framless.
Non of the other GMC suppliers want to team up with us.
Also we are going to be supplying a Hub Centered ION Aluminum wheels at
competitive price with SS valve stems that allow injection of air easily.
These will be available from us, Bounds and Sirum.
We still supply the Alcoa wheels as well. See us at : www.appliedgmc.com
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:25 AM, GMC2000 wrote:
> tphipps wrote on Mon, 09 July 2018 19:26
>> The original windows came in two versions; early had multipiece frames
> and the locks were on the sliding window, later had single piece frame and
>> the lock is on the fixed portion (I hope I remembered that correctly!).
> The first design of replacement windows had a small sliding portion for
>> fresh air. The second design has a small folding portion that opens for
> fresh air by being hinged at the top.
>> When folded out, it keeps the rain out of the coach fairly well. This is
> the design that JmK is now selling.
>> The original design lets in more outside air flow. But, with A/C, this
> feature may not matter.
>>
>> I think if GM had done a little more testing in the Deep South, keeping
> the coach cool would have been a higher consideration.
>> Replacing the windows is not difficult. Hiwever, the interior trim will
> no longer work.
>> Tom
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> Im not interested in the new replacements, at least not without having any
> experience with the originals ones anyway. I like the originals because of
> the large openings.
>
> Im more interested in which of the two (or more) original windows is
> better or not and if they interchange.
>
> I dont recall seeing the lock on the fixed portion of the later one I
> looked at but the lock I saw seemed like a PITA since it was only attached
> for
> locking and then easily misplaced when not in use but I cant be sure that
> was even original.
>
> Ive been looking for pics of the locks on other later ones but havnt found
> any with enough resolution to be useful.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Windows - early or late style? [message #334896 is a reply to message #334890] |
Tue, 10 July 2018 10:26 |
Ronald Pottol
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As I understand it, there are two styles of original windows on the
coaches, and they can be swapped, if you do it frame and all, the body of
the coach did not change.
The earlier style has the moving part forward and outside, and the screen
is on the inside, you you open the screen, adjust the window, close the
screen. I have 1973 coach, so I have these.
Part way though the 1975 model year, they switched styles, with these, the
fixed portion is forward and outside, and the screen is outside. You can
adjust the windows without touching the screens.
The later style is said to be quieter and more air tight. The earlier style
lets you walk around the outside of the coach and close all the windows (or
open, if they are not all the way shut), so they aren't all bad.
If the opportunity came up for not too much money, I'd switch to the new
style.
Ron
Redwood City CA
1973 26"
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 01:26 GMC2000 wrote:
> tphipps wrote on Mon, 09 July 2018 19:26
>> The original windows came in two versions; early had multipiece frames
> and the locks were on the sliding window, later had single piece frame and
>> the lock is on the fixed portion (I hope I remembered that correctly!).
> The first design of replacement windows had a small sliding portion for
>> fresh air. The second design has a small folding portion that opens for
> fresh air by being hinged at the top.
>> When folded out, it keeps the rain out of the coach fairly well. This is
> the design that JmK is now selling.
>> The original design lets in more outside air flow. But, with A/C, this
> feature may not matter.
>>
>> I think if GM had done a little more testing in the Deep South, keeping
> the coach cool would have been a higher consideration.
>> Replacing the windows is not difficult. Hiwever, the interior trim will
> no longer work.
>> Tom
>
>
>
> Im not interested in the new replacements, at least not without having any
> experience with the originals ones anyway. I like the originals because of
> the large openings.
>
> Im more interested in which of the two (or more) original windows is
> better or not and if they interchange.
>
> I dont recall seeing the lock on the fixed portion of the later one I
> looked at but the lock I saw seemed like a PITA since it was only attached
> for
> locking and then easily misplaced when not in use but I cant be sure that
> was even original.
>
> Ive been looking for pics of the locks on other later ones but havnt found
> any with enough resolution to be useful.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Windows - early or late style? [message #334899 is a reply to message #334896] |
Tue, 10 July 2018 13:44 |
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GMC2000
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Ronald Pottol wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 10:26As I understand it, there are two styles of original windows on the
coaches, and they can be swapped, if you do it frame and all, the body of
the coach did not change.
The earlier style has the moving part forward and outside, and the screen
is on the inside, you you open the screen, adjust the window, close the
screen. I have 1973 coach, so I have these.
Part way though the 1975 model year, they switched styles, with these, the
fixed portion is forward and outside, and the screen is outside. You can
adjust the windows without touching the screens.
The later style is said to be quieter and more air tight. The earlier style
lets you walk around the outside of the coach and close all the windows (or
open, if they are not all the way shut), so they aren't all bad.
If the opportunity came up for not too much money, I'd switch to the new
style.
I did not even notice these things, thanks for mentioning them good to know they will interchange but only as complete assemblies. I will look at these more closely from now on and maybe get some photos too.
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Re: [GMCnet] Windows - early or late style? [message #334900 is a reply to message #334899] |
Tue, 10 July 2018 14:13 |
James Hupy
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Some people prefer one style over another, kinda for their own reasons.
Both types leak water equally. The new ones, properly installed, do not
leak at all, and as an added bonus, are much quieter when under way. One
perceived disadvantage is that they do not provide as much ventilation.
They are easier to open and close, and are not big enough for people to
crawl through, so I think they might defer some break ins.
Jim Hupy
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:56 AM GMC2000 wrote:
> Ronald Pottol wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 10:26
>> As I understand it, there are two styles of original windows on the
>> coaches, and they can be swapped, if you do it frame and all, the body of
>> the coach did not change.
>>
>> The earlier style has the moving part forward and outside, and the screen
>> is on the inside, you you open the screen, adjust the window, close the
>> screen. I have 1973 coach, so I have these.
>>
>> Part way though the 1975 model year, they switched styles, with these,
> the
>> fixed portion is forward and outside, and the screen is outside. You can
>> adjust the windows without touching the screens.
>>
>> The later style is said to be quieter and more air tight. The earlier
> style
>> lets you walk around the outside of the coach and close all the windows
> (or
>> open, if they are not all the way shut), so they aren't all bad.
>>
>> If the opportunity came up for not too much money, I'd switch to the new
>> style.
>
>
> I did not even notice these things, thanks for mentioning them good to
> know they will interchange but only as complete assemblies. I will look at
> these more closely from now on and maybe get some photos too.
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Windows - early or late style? [message #334901 is a reply to message #334900] |
Tue, 10 July 2018 17:56 |
Larry
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James Hupy wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 14:13Some people prefer one style over another, kinda for their own reasons.
Both types leak water equally. The new ones, properly installed, do not
leak at all, and as an added bonus, are much quieter when under way. One
perceived disadvantage is that they do not provide as much ventilation.
They are easier to open and close, and are not big enough for people to
crawl through, so I think they might defer some break ins.
Jim Hupy
On the other hand, we really like being able to open the old style windows on both sides of the coach and enjoy the breeze flowing through. I think you can still get the felt seals and rebuild the windows so they are not as leaky. I think I got them some 12 yrs ago from Jim Bounds. Took the windows out of the frame, new felts, and new seal around the outside made them quite tight. JWID
Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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Re: [GMCnet] Windows - early or late style? [message #334910 is a reply to message #334901] |
Tue, 10 July 2018 23:25 |
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USAussie
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Larry,
Me (and Helen) too!
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Windows - early or late style?
On the other hand, we really like being able to open the old style windows on both sides of the coach and enjoy the breeze flowing
through. I think you can still get the felt seals and rebuild the windows so they are not as leaky. I think I got them some 12 yrs
ago from Jim Bounds. Took the windows out of the frame, new felts, and new seal around the outside made them quite tight. JWID
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Re: [GMCnet] Windows - early or late style? [message #334917 is a reply to message #334914] |
Wed, 11 July 2018 07:13 |
Anonymous
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The flat metal lock was standard on my 1977 GMC. It was not an add on.
Many of us have changed the locks to a later model Hehr lock which makes the windows much easier to open.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Jul 11, 2018, at 6:03 AM, GMC2000 wrote:
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> so the OEM windows are not very secure? maybe thats what that strange lock mechanism was I saw.. probably was added on but it was a spring steel,
> thin, flat bar that was contoured to fit a special way.
>
> of the early and late style windows which are more secure?
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Re: [GMCnet] Windows - early or late style? [message #334937 is a reply to message #334914] |
Wed, 11 July 2018 10:45 |
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USAussie
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A sledge hammer will take out either one.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Windows - early or late style?
so the OEM windows are not very secure? maybe thats what that strange lock mechanism was I saw.. probably was added on but it was a
spring steel,
thin, flat bar that was contoured to fit a special way.
of the early and late style windows which are more secure?
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Re: Windows - early or late style? [message #334940 is a reply to message #334821] |
Wed, 11 July 2018 11:14 |
GatsbysCruise
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As I understand it, there were 3 styles.
http://www.bdub.net/publications/1973_Magazine_Ad/1973_Ad.htm
The First model had a window that had a static center section, and the sides would slide.
I actually prefer this configuration, I think it looks better and I believe the window
frame work would be stronger.
However, this first configuration, from what I read, didn't make it out of prototype stage,
if it did, I have not seen it.
GM had some leak issues so they opted for the Two frame windows.
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