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| Re: [GMCnet] Another issue brake drum balance weight [message #334685 is a reply to message #334682] |
Thu, 05 July 2018 18:26   |
Ken Henderson
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Faye,
That missing weight will certainly affect wheel balance. You need to take
a test drive to see whether it's noticeable -- you'll probably have to get
down off of your mountain to find a level, smooth road. :-)
If you use balancing beads in your tires, as I do, they'll probably
compensate for the unbalance. If you don't you may want to consider that
as an interim fix until you can replace the drum. I use 4 oz of Walmart's
"Airsoft" beads in each tire -- with no other wheel weights. With already
mostly balanced tires, less might be enough, but more shouldn't hurt
anything.
Ken H.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:23 PM Burt and Faye curtis <
curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> wrote:
> As I was walking back to where I parked my coach, I noticed what looks to
> be a weight from a brake drum. Upon further inspection, it appears that it
> might have became detached from my passenger side forward drum. How
> detrimental/serious would it be to drive the coach without this weight?
> ...
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Another issue brake drum balance weight [message #334688 is a reply to message #334685] |
Thu, 05 July 2018 18:37 |
Burt and Faye curtis
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Ken,
Pretty sure know where exactly wt fell off of. Would jb weld or something
similar work well enough to keep the wt on, especially if brakes get warm
in the mts?
Fay
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 4:27 PM Ken Henderson wrote:
> Faye,
>
> That missing weight will certainly affect wheel balance. You need to take
> a test drive to see whether it's noticeable -- you'll probably have to get
> down off of your mountain to find a level, smooth road. :-)
>
> If you use balancing beads in your tires, as I do, they'll probably
> compensate for the unbalance. If you don't you may want to consider that
> as an interim fix until you can replace the drum. I use 4 oz of Walmart's
> "Airsoft" beads in each tire -- with no other wheel weights. With already
> mostly balanced tires, less might be enough, but more shouldn't hurt
> anything.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:23 PM Burt and Faye curtis curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As I was walking back to where I parked my coach, I noticed what looks to
>> be a weight from a brake drum. Upon further inspection, it appears that
> it
>> might have became detached from my passenger side forward drum. How
>> detrimental/serious would it be to drive the coach without this weight?
>> ...
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Another issue brake drum balance weight [message #334690 is a reply to message #334688] |
Thu, 05 July 2018 18:41 |
jimk
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The heat will cause the epoxy to burn off.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:37 PM, Burt and Faye curtis <
curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ken,
> Pretty sure know where exactly wt fell off of. Would jb weld or something
> similar work well enough to keep the wt on, especially if brakes get warm
> in the mts?
>
> Fay
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 4:27 PM Ken Henderson wrote:
>
>> Faye,
>>
>> That missing weight will certainly affect wheel balance. You need to
> take
>> a test drive to see whether it's noticeable -- you'll probably have to
> get
>> down off of your mountain to find a level, smooth road. :-)
>>
>> If you use balancing beads in your tires, as I do, they'll probably
>> compensate for the unbalance. If you don't you may want to consider that
>> as an interim fix until you can replace the drum. I use 4 oz of
> Walmart's
>> "Airsoft" beads in each tire -- with no other wheel weights. With
> already
>> mostly balanced tires, less might be enough, but more shouldn't hurt
>> anything.
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:23 PM Burt and Faye curtis > curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As I was walking back to where I parked my coach, I noticed what looks
> to
>>> be a weight from a brake drum. Upon further inspection, it appears that
>> it
>>> might have became detached from my passenger side forward drum. How
>>> detrimental/serious would it be to drive the coach without this weight?
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Another issue brake drum balance weight [message #334694 is a reply to message #334682] |
Thu, 05 July 2018 19:30 |
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USAussie
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Fay,
Use a clean steel wire brush in a drill to clean the brake drum and the weight. Then get some of this stuff:
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1NHXL_enAU731AU731&biw=1024&bih=501&tbm=shop&ei=Wrc-W72MM6XujwSSmJWYDQ&q=hi+temp+epoxy+tube&am p;oq=h
i+temp+epoxy+tube&gs_l=psy-ab.12...9192.10963.0.15156.8.8.0.0.0.0.110.798.4j4.8.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.217...0i13k1.0.Vq9LkeWG
PFg#spd=4525218708089461078
and glue it back on. The weight of the epoxy won't make much of a difference when one considers the distance from the center it is
located and the rpm of the wheels.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Burt and Faye curtis
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 5:23 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: [GMCnet] Another issue brake drum balance weight
As I was walking back to where I parked my coach, I noticed what looks to
be a weight from a brake drum. Upon further inspection, it appears that it
might have became detached from my passenger side forward drum. How
detrimental/serious would it be to drive the coach without this weight?
As always thanks for help/opinions, etc.
Fay Curtis
76 Glenbrook
Kneeland, CA
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Another issue brake drum balance weight [message #334705 is a reply to message #334682] |
Fri, 06 July 2018 07:25 |
jhbridges
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Ken, if you weld it using a stick burner or a wire feed you'll heat the drum unevenly and there's a good chance you'll warp it. Mine look like they were spot welded for just that reason.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Another issue brake drum balance weight [message #334707 is a reply to message #334701] |
Fri, 06 July 2018 08:07 |
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USAussie
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Ken,
The weight is steel, the drum is cast iron and welding steel to cast iron ain't that easy.
Google "welding steel to cast iron" and read what needs to be done to make it last. The very fact that the weight came off shows
that when the drum was made it wasn't a good weld.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Burton
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 5:43 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Another issue brake drum balance weight
Why are you guys avoiding the obvious? Weld it on and be done with it. Cheap, fast and should last forever.
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Another issue brake drum balance weight [message #334719 is a reply to message #334694] |
Fri, 06 July 2018 10:55 |
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A couple of tacks with a welder will not cause warpage of the brake drum and will hold much better than JB Weld. The drums are thick and tack welding is no going to produce much heat to te drums. It not like you are going to penetrate much into the drum to cause a lot of heat. I did this 20 years ago to my brake drums (2 of them) before I went to disk brakes with no problem.
Drums get very hotin normal use and the epoxy will likely burn off with time.
Emery Stora
> On Jul 5, 2018, at 6:30 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
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> Fay,
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> Use a clean steel wire brush in a drill to clean the brake drum and the weight. Then get some of this stuff:
>
> https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1NHXL_enAU731AU731&biw=1024&bih=501&tbm=shop&ei=Wrc-W72MM6XujwSSmJWYDQ&q=hi+temp+epoxy+tube&am p;oq=h
> i+temp+epoxy+tube&gs_l=psy-ab.12...9192.10963.0.15156.8.8.0.0.0.0.110.798.4j4.8.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.217...0i13k1.0.Vq9LkeWG
> PFg#spd=4525218708089461078
>
> and glue it back on. The weight of the epoxy won't make much of a difference when one considers the distance from the center it is
> located and the rpm of the wheels.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Burt and Faye curtis
> Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 5:23 PM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Another issue brake drum balance weight
>
> As I was walking back to where I parked my coach, I noticed what looks to
> be a weight from a brake drum. Upon further inspection, it appears that it
> might have became detached from my passenger side forward drum. How
> detrimental/serious would it be to drive the coach without this weight?
>
> As always thanks for help/opinions, etc.
>
> Fay Curtis
> 76 Glenbrook
> Kneeland, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Another issue brake drum balance weight [message #334722 is a reply to message #334719] |
Fri, 06 July 2018 12:35 |
Ken Burton
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I just talked to my professional welder guy at the airport (now retired). He said bring it by and he would do it in a couple of minutes. No problem with it being cast. He said that it is not structural and only had to hold a small weight to the drum. He would do it on the coach if the area is accessible without removing the wheel. His biggest concern was attaching ground so he did not have any welding current running through the wheel bearings.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Another issue brake drum balance weight [message #334745 is a reply to message #334736] |
Fri, 06 July 2018 17:18 |
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I think examination would show that the welds failed due to corrosion.
Emery Stora
> On Jul 6, 2018, at 2:42 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
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> Just like the welds cracked with time. :-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Emery Stora via Gmclist
> Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 10:56 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Cc: Emery Stora
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Another issue brake drum balance weight
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> A couple of tacks with a welder will not cause warpage of the brake drum and will hold much better than JB Weld. The drums are
> thick and tack welding is no going to produce much heat to te drums. It not like you are going to penetrate much into the drum to
> cause a lot of heat. I did this 20 years ago to my brake drums (2 of them) before I went to disk brakes with no problem.
>
> Drums get very hotin normal use and the epoxy will likely burn off with time.
>
> Emery Stora
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| [GMCnet] Cab Air Conditioner hose “ruptured” with a Big Bang! [message #334767 is a reply to message #334753] |
Sat, 07 July 2018 09:35 |
Vern Crawford
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Does anyone know a good A/C shop in the Kingsman, Arizona, or Las Vegas,
Nevada area?
Driving into metro Tucson in the 100+ degree heat about 5:00pm yesterday
there was a loud “BOOM” from the passenger side of the engine compartment
as we were creeping along I-10 in clogged traffic. An oily residue coated
components and wiring under the passenger side access panel.
Except for the A/C, all other systems were operating normal.
We are on our way to Eugene Oregon, where we are expected to arrive by
Monday noon. I did not attempt to locate a shop yesterday, as by the time
we got through the traffic jam blocking the interstate, it was already
closing time. We chose to drive on, but the heat was brutal! Thank
goodness we had the curved plexiglass wind scoops for the toll windows, but
the offered little relief in cooling as the temps rose to over 110 degrees,
and did not drop until sundown. We continued on for some 300 miles until I
finally got off the road in Kingman, Arizona at the Walmart around 1:00am
this morning.
Without A/C I dread driving in this heat. The GMC is literally like being
in an oven.
If no one has recommended mechanics for Kingman, we need to get back on the
road before we loose all of the lower temps of morning.
Hoping someone knows someone here in the desert Southwest,
Vern and Lenore
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cab Air Conditioner hose "ruptured" with a Big Bang! [message #334769 is a reply to message #334767] |
Sat, 07 July 2018 09:47 |
Carl S.
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Vern,
I can't help you with a shop in that area, but my daughter and son in law live in North Las Vegas and My son in law might know where to send you. His name is Robbie Schut and his number is (3 two 5) six one two - 99 two five.
Good luck. In the meantime, can you run your roof air? I don't remember if you still have your Onan or not, but we do that all the time.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cab Air Conditioner hose "ruptured" with a Big Bang! [message #334773 is a reply to message #334769] |
Sat, 07 July 2018 10:01 |
Vern Crawford
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I have not been able to start the Onan for almost two years. There are a
couple of auto repair shops near us now, and I’m headed to one now to see
what they might tell us. If no luck here, I’ll call your son in law a call
and we will head for Las Vegas.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:48 AM Carl Stouffer wrote:
> Veren,
>
> I can't help you with a shop in that area, but my daughter and son in law
> live in North Las Vegas and My son in law might know where to send you. His
> name is Robbie Schut and his number is (3 two 5) six one two - 99 two five.
>
> Good luck. In the meantime, can you run your roof air? I don't remember
> if you still have your Onan or not, but we do that all the time.
> --
> Carl Stouffer
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive,
> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
> Eagles,
> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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(830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cab Air Conditioner hose "ruptured" with a Big Bang! [message #334776 is a reply to message #334773] |
Sat, 07 July 2018 10:33 |
jimk
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Vern,
Have the shop tech call me as I can talk him through it and save him time.
Onan gen being an older unit can create issues that can waste time in
analizing.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Vern Crawford
wrote:
> I have not been able to start the Onan for almost two years. There are a
> couple of auto repair shops near us now, and I’m headed to one now to see
> what they might tell us. If no luck here, I’ll call your son in law a call
> and we will head for Las Vegas.
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:48 AM Carl Stouffer wrote:
>
>> Veren,
>>
>> I can't help you with a shop in that area, but my daughter and son in law
>> live in North Las Vegas and My son in law might know where to send you.
> His
>> name is Robbie Schut and his number is (3 two 5) six one two - 99 two
> five.
>>
>> Good luck. In the meantime, can you run your roof air? I don't remember
>> if you still have your Onan or not, but we do that all the time.
>> --
>> Carl Stouffer
>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>> Tucson, AZ.
>> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive,
>> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
>> Eagles,
>> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
>>
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> 155 JJ Lane
> Center Point, TX 78010
> (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
> (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
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