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[GMCnet] Dash heat, A/C blower motor delay. [message #332758] Tue, 29 May 2018 18:46 Go to next message
BobDunahugh is currently offline  BobDunahugh   United States
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Mine quit working today. And from what I understand. They're obsolete. Any sparky out there have an idea on how to make one. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale
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Re: [GMCnet] Dash heat, A/C blower motor delay. [message #332762 is a reply to message #332758] Tue, 29 May 2018 18:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If I recall correctly, you can bypass it by moving the purple wire to the other harness. Others can probably jump in with the exact procedure.

If you want to replace it, I picked up an NOS one on eBay for like $10 a couple of months ago.

> On May 29, 2018, at 7:47 PM, Bob Dunahugh wrote:
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Re: [GMCnet] Dash heat, A/C blower motor delay. [message #332764 is a reply to message #332762] Tue, 29 May 2018 18:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave Stragand is currently offline  Dave Stragand   United States
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I think these are it: search “366408 relay” on eBay.

> On May 29, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Dave Stragand wrote:
>
> If I recall correctly, you can bypass it by moving the purple wire to the other harness. Others can probably jump in with the exact procedure.
>
> If you want to replace it, I picked up an NOS one on eBay for like $10 a couple of months ago.
>
>> On May 29, 2018, at 7:47 PM, Bob Dunahugh wrote:
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>> Mine quit working today. And from what I understand. They're obsolete. Any sparky out there have an idea on how to make one. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale
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Re: [GMCnet] Dash heat, A/C blower motor delay. [message #332766 is a reply to message #332762] Tue, 29 May 2018 19:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob, the engine needs to be running and the alternator needs to be putting
out before the high speed will work. Just a suggestion. It still may be a
bad relay.
Jim Hupy

On Tue, May 29, 2018, 4:54 PM Dave Stragand
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> If I recall correctly, you can bypass it by moving the purple wire to the
> other harness. Others can probably jump in with the exact procedure.
>
> If you want to replace it, I picked up an NOS one on eBay for like $10 a
> couple of months ago.
>
>> On May 29, 2018, at 7:47 PM, Bob Dunahugh wrote:
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>> Mine quit working today. And from what I understand. They're obsolete.
> Any sparky out there have an idea on how to make one. Bob Dunahugh 78
> Royale
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Re: [GMCnet] Dash heat, A/C blower motor delay. [message #332777 is a reply to message #332758] Wed, 30 May 2018 00:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There seems to be some miss understanding. The blower ( RELAY ) is new, and working properly. It's the blower motor ( DELAY ) that's not working. The DELAY is located just above the RELAY. The DELAY is so there are two vacuum controlled doors. Have time to get into their proper position before the blower motor turns on in the high position. As the vacuum controlled diaphrams can be overpowered by the blower. In 1977. GM made great improvements for the 77-78 modals in this area. James H mentioned that the engine needs to be running for the blower to run on high. This is important to remember. So. I had bypassed the delay. Everything then worked fine. And I understand that the DELAY is obsolete. Would it be hard to make a replacement ? The cooling part works great. When I built this 78. I put in a Sanden compressor, and hoses on that I got from Jim K at Applied. Very nice kit. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale


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Mine quit working today. And from what I understand. They're obsolete. Any sparky out there have an idea on how to make one. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale
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Re: [GMCnet] Dash heat, A/C blower motor delay. [message #332779 is a reply to message #332758] Wed, 30 May 2018 06:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob,
There are lots of little circuit boards that will provide a "Power ON" delay. Google "Power on delay relay" You just need to wire it to control the existing relay. Some might have an integral relay, but be sure the relay contacts are rated to handle the fan current.

Or alternatively, goto a local Electrician who does commercial/industrial wiring and ask him if he has one in their second hand box. These little timers are used in industry every day and are made by numerous manufacturers such as Omron. You should be able to pick one up for a few bucks... or even free!



Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
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Re: [GMCnet] Dash heat, A/C blower motor delay. [message #332782 is a reply to message #332777] Wed, 30 May 2018 07:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Bob,

Yes, I was referring to the delay relay, at the very top of the compartment. I can send you my original one if you’d like. There are also a few NOS 366408 delay relays on eBay at present — I’d be happy to pick one up for you to repay your generosity with the spare carrier!

-Dave Stragand
1978 Transmode, near Pittsburgh

> On May 30, 2018, at 1:09 AM, Bob Dunahugh wrote:
>
> There seems to be some miss understanding. The blower ( RELAY ) is new, and working properly. It's the blower motor ( DELAY ) that's not working. The DELAY is located just above the RELAY. The DELAY is so there are two vacuum controlled doors. Have time to get into their proper position before the blower motor turns on in the high position. As the vacuum controlled diaphrams can be overpowered by the blower. In 1977. GM made great improvements for the 77-78 modals in this area. James H mentioned that the engine needs to be running for the blower to run on high. This is important to remember. So. I had bypassed the delay. Everything then worked fine. And I understand that the DELAY is obsolete. Would it be hard to make a replacement ? The cooling part works great. When I built this 78. I put in a Sanden compressor, and hoses on that I got from Jim K at Applied. Very nice kit. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Dash heat, A/C blower motor delay. [message #332806 is a reply to message #332758] Wed, 30 May 2018 11:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The delay was added as a patch in fix, so the connectors plug right together to patch around it. No cutting no cuzzing. 30 second fix. I don't use HI when changing damper modes and never had an issue. Actually on the road I usually use speed 2-3 for noise reasons. Once at highway speeds the ram effect makes 3 flow like 4 if you keep it on fresh air Normal.

John Lebetski
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Re: [GMCnet] Dash Heat [message #339267 is a reply to message #332758] Sun, 02 December 2018 21:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BobDunahugh is currently offline  BobDunahugh   United States
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78. AC works well since I put a new Sanden compressor in from Applied GMC. Heat also works well. I did block off the outside air intake. Thus I only heat/cool inside air. But. I'm having some issues with the vacuum controlled air doors. At a 7 on the happy scale. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale
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Re: [GMCnet] Dash heat [message #339276 is a reply to message #332758] Mon, 03 December 2018 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've only owned 78 GMC. And plead ignorance on the 73-76 AC/heat systems. From what I understand. The earlier units only heated/cooled outside air. And using a hole saw on the rear of the heater box. From inside the coach. Allows inside air to get to the heater/A/C box. I've made a block off plate that doesn't allow outside air in the box. On nice temp days. To get fresh outside air in. Use the wind wings. And turn on the rear MAXXfan to 100% I've been told that it's not much effort to improve the 73 to 76 units. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale
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Re: [GMCnet] Dash Heat [message #339309 is a reply to message #332758] Tue, 04 December 2018 19:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We are finding several people needing to re core the heater due to leakage.

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 5:53 PM Jim Kanomata wrote:

> Should the core leak, just disconnect the hoses and get an reducer and
> connect the two hoses.
>
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 4:53 PM Andrew wrote:
>
>> Hey all, thank you very much for the replies they were super helpful.
>> Turns out there was a bypass installed but it was junk so I replaced it
>> with a
>> new one from home depot. Next I noticed the PO removed the heater
>> temperature valve that is immediately after the HVAC box. Ordered a new one
>> should
>> be able to put it on this weekend.
>>
>> Next question... When I turn on the valve and try and run the heat, am I
>> going to screw something up? I'm not at all sure the condition of the heater
>> core or how much decades old coolant is hanging out in there. Risky move
>> or no?
>> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Dash heat [message #340140 is a reply to message #332758] Thu, 17 January 2019 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not trying (very hard) to gloat but if you were sitting on the beach at Puerto Penasco, Sonora, Mexico as we are the very last thing you would want is dash heat. Sorry, I couldn’t resist (grin)

Jerry

Jerry Work
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> 5. Re: A Coolant/Water Question for the Chemists in the Group
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:29:02 -0500
> From: "Gary Kosier"
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> Bruce,
>
> That valve bypasses the heater core to keep it from heating the cold air
> from the air conditioner while maintaining water flow through the
> remote throttle body on a port fuel injection to keep it from frosting up.
>
> Gary Kosier
> 77PB w/500Cad
> Newark, Ohio
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Bruce Hislop"
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:49 AM
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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Dash Heat
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>> Emery, the posted valves specs say 9 to 24VDC operating range, so should
>> be no issue on 12VDC. The do have several types of control. 2-wire using
>> voltage reversal, 3 wire using a common ground (Open, close and ground)
>> and a 2 wire self closing (power ON to open). There is also a version with
>> an
>> indicator light switch show whether it is open or closed.
>>
>> I'm using a new style vacuum operated valve which connects to both hoses
>> to divert the water back bypassing the heater code. Anyone know if you can
>> just close off the heater circuit circulation? or does the cooling system
>> need water flowing to properly flow through the engine cooling system.
>>
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Bruce Hislop
>> ON Canada
>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
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> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:04:38 -0700
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> Sir, concerning the water circulation from engine to and from heater.. a 3/4" hose comes off the water pump to heater, it has a T in the line that
> is 5/8" and goes to rear of engine intake manifold which circulates coolant thru engine even if the hose going to heater or the return that Ts at the
> rear of intake in water jacket is closed off with a valve. Most of us have one manual shut off under hood to replace the vacuum operated OEM one
> which closes with vacuum when AC is on. If concerned about a leaking heater core you can block off both with no ill effect on engine circulation if
> OEM bypass is there. These are also the lines that go to house water heater and blocking dash heater core should not effect it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RF_Burns wrote on Wed, 16 January 2019 08:49
>> Emery, the posted valves specs say 9 to 24VDC operating range, so should be no issue on 12VDC. The do have several types of control. 2-wire using
>> voltage reversal, 3 wire using a common ground (Open, close and ground) and a 2 wire self closing (power ON to open). There is also a version with
>> an indicator light switch show whether it is open or closed.
>>
>> I'm using a new style vacuum operated valve which connects to both hoses to divert the water back bypassing the heater code. Anyone know if you
>> can just close off the heater circuit circulation? or does the cooling system need water flowing to properly flow through the engine cooling
>> system.
>>
>> Thanks
>
>
> --
> C. Boyd
> 76 Crestmont
> East Tennessee
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:58:39 -0700
> From: Larry
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> John,
> Are you still at :
> mailto:gransport7087@gmail.com
>
> Well, anyway, here is the note I sent you at that gmail account and a PM from GMCforum.
>
> John,
> Do you have access to or have info where I can get an accumulator that will work with our PM's?
>
> I just bought a PM as a back-up that has a weak accumulator, and I suspect that the accumulator in the one I got from you is weak. The motor runs
> about every 5 seconds or so for about 2 seconds.
>
> TIA
>
> Larry. :)
> --
> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:46:17 -0700
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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New Engine on the way
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> So after some hiatus for personal stuff, I'm back at it. Stripped the interior yesterday and the carpet today. All the interior want to Tim's
> Upholstery, he does most of the high line and custom stuff around here. Very light biege textured vinyl to go on the bunks and the dinette and the
> panels which cover under them. Gonna put snap together flooring in place of the carpet which isn't worth cleaning. Then we'll replace the removed
> cabinet with the repaired back. Meantimes the trolley goes in, and the lunched mill comes out. Then off to Americus for the new one.
>
> --johnny
> --
> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:18:08 -0700
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> I have yet to be convinced distilled water is nessesary or a real advantage in cooling systems. Batteries are another story.
> But for the negligible cost? Why not...
> --
> 76 Glenbrook
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 20:12:57 -0700
> From: Tyler
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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan rear bearing
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> Thanks Jim on the part suggestions
>
> Here is a pic of the bad bearing...
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6734/medium/onan_bearing_bad.jpg
>
> I have the Onan I am taking out loose from the mounts, but the wires are not as straightforward as I hoped to unhook. Try again in the light tomorrow.
> Seems like bolted to coach, and bolted to genny.
>
> And...to remove the "bell" to get to this bearing, is it just a cover, or will I be messing with the electrical stuff to get access? I read the manual
> on a full service, but I've never been into one of these before. Any tips or simplified "look for this" suggestions?
>
>
>
>
> --
> 1975 Glenbrook, 1978 Royale rear bath
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 07:29:24 -0700
> From: Jon Roche
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> keep track of the little tab. it may go flying.
>
> there are brushes to deal with, you may want to replace the brushes while in there. I think you end up taking the brushes out before you take that
> blue plate/end cover off. also take a good look at the field coil for corrosion and try to clean that up.
>
>
> as far as removing, I used a socket, a piece of flat stock and 2-C-clamps. it was stuck, but when I put some pressure on it, and tapped with hammer
> it came loose/off. (blue plate).
>
>
> however getting the bearing off the shaft is another problem. I don't have a puller that fits well, and I have not been successful in removing the
> bearing yet from the shaft. My field coil is bad, so I may end up parting out my onan, as I found a 2800 microlite that I am pretty sure i will end
> up using. So I may never take the bearing off of mine.
>
>
> --
> Jon Roche
> 75 palm beach
> St. Cloud, MN
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>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 07:22:27 -0700
> From: John R. Lebetski
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> Sorry that email was just to use this site when AOL became unsupported. Cardone sells a repurposed slightly larger unit that works. Sellers on eBay
> or Kirbanperformance.com. About $200. But your symptoms are not perse accumulator though that may be weak too. Pump running repeatedly is usually
> check valve or can be internal leak in master ( less likely). Discharge unit key off 10 pedal applications and disconnectt the pressure line entering
> side of MC. Use a small easy out to pull out the check valve seat assy and spring with poppet. Clean and if needed the plastic poppet can be refaced
> gently with a sheet of 1500 wet on a glass or granite surface. Very lightly and at 90 to the surface reface the poppet with a few circular actions.
> Is all the air bled out? If foaming the volume will drop as foam settles and cause pump to run again. Or a spec of dirt can cause leak down. They all
> had no leak down on test jig. Weak accumulator is usually "runs with pedal apply" or just one apply. With a fresh accumulator you should get 2 applies
> then run.
> --
> John Lebetski
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Re: [GMCnet] Dash heat [message #340141 is a reply to message #340140] Thu, 17 January 2019 15:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dolph Santorine is currently offline  Dolph Santorine   United States
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It’s ok Jerry. I would too.

Just finished winterizing my coach. In 32 degree weather.


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1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
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> On Jan 17, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Gerald Work via Gmclist wrote:
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> Not trying (very hard) to gloat but if you were sitting on the beach at Puerto Penasco, Sonora, Mexico as we are the very last thing you would want is dash heat. Sorry, I couldn’t resist (grin)
>
> Jerry
>
> Jerry Work
> Kerby, OR
>
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>> 1. Re: Dash Heat (Gary Kosier)
>> 2. Re: Dash Heat (Charles Boyd)
>> 3. Re: John L. (Larry)
>> 4. Re: New Engine on the way (Johnny Bridges)
>> 5. Re: A Coolant/Water Question for the Chemists in the Group
>> (Chris Tyler)
>> 6. Re: Onan rear bearing (Tyler)
>> 7. Re: Onan rear bearing (Jon Roche)
>> 8. Re: John L. (John R. Lebetski)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:29:02 -0500
>> From: "Gary Kosier"
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Dash Heat
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>> Bruce,
>>
>> That valve bypasses the heater core to keep it from heating the cold air
>> from the air conditioner while maintaining water flow through the
>> remote throttle body on a port fuel injection to keep it from frosting up.
>>
>> Gary Kosier
>> 77PB w/500Cad
>> Newark, Ohio
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Bruce Hislop"
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:49 AM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Dash Heat
>>
>>> Emery, the posted valves specs say 9 to 24VDC operating range, so should
>>> be no issue on 12VDC. The do have several types of control. 2-wire using
>>> voltage reversal, 3 wire using a common ground (Open, close and ground)
>>> and a 2 wire self closing (power ON to open). There is also a version with
>>> an
>>> indicator light switch show whether it is open or closed.
>>>
>>> I'm using a new style vacuum operated valve which connects to both hoses
>>> to divert the water back bypassing the heater code. Anyone know if you can
>>> just close off the heater circuit circulation? or does the cooling system
>>> need water flowing to properly flow through the engine cooling system.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> --
>>> Bruce Hislop
>>> ON Canada
>>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
>>> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:04:38 -0700
>> From: Charles Boyd
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Dash Heat
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>> Sir, concerning the water circulation from engine to and from heater.. a 3/4" hose comes off the water pump to heater, it has a T in the line that
>> is 5/8" and goes to rear of engine intake manifold which circulates coolant thru engine even if the hose going to heater or the return that Ts at the
>> rear of intake in water jacket is closed off with a valve. Most of us have one manual shut off under hood to replace the vacuum operated OEM one
>> which closes with vacuum when AC is on. If concerned about a leaking heater core you can block off both with no ill effect on engine circulation if
>> OEM bypass is there. These are also the lines that go to house water heater and blocking dash heater core should not effect it.
>>
>>
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>>
>> RF_Burns wrote on Wed, 16 January 2019 08:49
>>> Emery, the posted valves specs say 9 to 24VDC operating range, so should be no issue on 12VDC. The do have several types of control. 2-wire using
>>> voltage reversal, 3 wire using a common ground (Open, close and ground) and a 2 wire self closing (power ON to open). There is also a version with
>>> an indicator light switch show whether it is open or closed.
>>>
>>> I'm using a new style vacuum operated valve which connects to both hoses to divert the water back bypassing the heater code. Anyone know if you
>>> can just close off the heater circuit circulation? or does the cooling system need water flowing to properly flow through the engine cooling
>>> system.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> --
>> C. Boyd
>> 76 Crestmont
>> East Tennessee
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:58:39 -0700
>> From: Larry
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] John L.
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>> John,
>> Are you still at :
>> mailto:gransport7087@gmail.com
>>
>> Well, anyway, here is the note I sent you at that gmail account and a PM from GMCforum.
>>
>> John,
>> Do you have access to or have info where I can get an accumulator that will work with our PM's?
>>
>> I just bought a PM as a back-up that has a weak accumulator, and I suspect that the accumulator in the one I got from you is weak. The motor runs
>> about every 5 seconds or so for about 2 seconds.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Larry. :)
>> --
>> Larry
>> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
>> Menomonie, WI.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:46:17 -0700
>> From: Johnny Bridges
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New Engine on the way
>> Message-ID:
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>> So after some hiatus for personal stuff, I'm back at it. Stripped the interior yesterday and the carpet today. All the interior want to Tim's
>> Upholstery, he does most of the high line and custom stuff around here. Very light biege textured vinyl to go on the bunks and the dinette and the
>> panels which cover under them. Gonna put snap together flooring in place of the carpet which isn't worth cleaning. Then we'll replace the removed
>> cabinet with the repaired back. Meantimes the trolley goes in, and the lunched mill comes out. Then off to Americus for the new one.
>>
>> --johnny
>> --
>> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
>> Braselton, Ga.
>> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:18:08 -0700
>> From: Chris Tyler
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] A Coolant/Water Question for the Chemists in the
>> Group
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>> I have yet to be convinced distilled water is nessesary or a real advantage in cooling systems. Batteries are another story.
>> But for the negligible cost? Why not...
>> --
>> 76 Glenbrook
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 20:12:57 -0700
>> From: Tyler
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan rear bearing
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>> Thanks Jim on the part suggestions
>>
>> Here is a pic of the bad bearing...
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6734/medium/onan_bearing_bad.jpg
>>
>> I have the Onan I am taking out loose from the mounts, but the wires are not as straightforward as I hoped to unhook. Try again in the light tomorrow.
>> Seems like bolted to coach, and bolted to genny.
>>
>> And...to remove the "bell" to get to this bearing, is it just a cover, or will I be messing with the electrical stuff to get access? I read the manual
>> on a full service, but I've never been into one of these before. Any tips or simplified "look for this" suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 1975 Glenbrook, 1978 Royale rear bath
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 07:29:24 -0700
>> From: Jon Roche
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan rear bearing
>> Message-ID:
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>> keep track of the little tab. it may go flying.
>>
>> there are brushes to deal with, you may want to replace the brushes while in there. I think you end up taking the brushes out before you take that
>> blue plate/end cover off. also take a good look at the field coil for corrosion and try to clean that up.
>>
>>
>> as far as removing, I used a socket, a piece of flat stock and 2-C-clamps. it was stuck, but when I put some pressure on it, and tapped with hammer
>> it came loose/off. (blue plate).
>>
>>
>> however getting the bearing off the shaft is another problem. I don't have a puller that fits well, and I have not been successful in removing the
>> bearing yet from the shaft. My field coil is bad, so I may end up parting out my onan, as I found a 2800 microlite that I am pretty sure i will end
>> up using. So I may never take the bearing off of mine.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jon Roche
>> 75 palm beach
>> St. Cloud, MN
>> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 07:22:27 -0700
>> From: John R. Lebetski
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] John L.
>> Message-ID:
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Sorry that email was just to use this site when AOL became unsupported. Cardone sells a repurposed slightly larger unit that works. Sellers on eBay
>> or Kirbanperformance.com. About $200. But your symptoms are not perse accumulator though that may be weak too. Pump running repeatedly is usually
>> check valve or can be internal leak in master ( less likely). Discharge unit key off 10 pedal applications and disconnectt the pressure line entering
>> side of MC. Use a small easy out to pull out the check valve seat assy and spring with poppet. Clean and if needed the plastic poppet can be refaced
>> gently with a sheet of 1500 wet on a glass or granite surface. Very lightly and at 90 to the surface reface the poppet with a few circular actions.
>> Is all the air bled out? If foaming the volume will drop as foam settles and cause pump to run again. Or a spec of dirt can cause leak down. They all
>> had no leak down on test jig. Weak accumulator is usually "runs with pedal apply" or just one apply. With a fresh accumulator you should get 2 applies
>> then run.
>> --
>> John Lebetski
>> Woodstock, IL
>> 77 Eleganza II
>>
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Dash heat [message #340144 is a reply to message #340141] Thu, 17 January 2019 17:22 Go to previous message
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Dolph Santorine wrote on Thu, 17 January 2019 16:17
It's ok Jerry. I would too.

Just finished winterizing my coach. In 32 degree weather.


Dolph Santorine

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Wheeling, West Virginia

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That is exaxtly why we moved to Florida.

You don't have to shovel sunshine





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