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jhbridges
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Unless you ground one plug wire there will be none. It's a 'wasted spark' system. Also appears on older Harleys - some of whose coils will work - and several Chinese scooters.
--johnny
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator ? [message #332699 is a reply to message #332695] |
Mon, 28 May 2018 16:15 |
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Art,
I don't know what an Onan 7000 is, however, the 6 Kw generator that came standard in the 26' GMC's can use this coil with a bit of
modification to the mounting system in the Onan:
https://www.jpcycles.com/product/3000140/j-p-cycles-12v-coil
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Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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What coils fit the Onan 7000 generator?
Points are ok but no spark. Condenser is fairly new. Was running ok when pulled out. Pushed it back in and it quit. Would not
start. Checked the spark and there is none.
Art
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator ? [message #332703 is a reply to message #332701] |
Mon, 28 May 2018 17:58 |
Bruce Hart
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From maintenance manual section 24c page 28
To test primary and secondary windings within the ignition coil proceed as
follows:
1. Use a Simpson 260 VOM or equivalent.
2. Place black lead on ground (-) terminal of coil and red lead to positive
(+)terminal. Primary resistance should read 4.30 (+ 10%) ohms.
3. Change resistance setting on ohmmeter. Place ohmmeter leads inside spark
plug cable holes. Secondary resistance should read 14,000 (+10%) ohms
(figure 42).
4. If any of the above conditions are not met, replace coil.
On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 4:41 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net <
amansfield1104@charter.net> wrote:
> I check the coils I have. On my ohm met they all read 4.7 ohms. One coil
> is on an Emerald 1 that was given to me. It was running before I got it.
> So I guess my problem is not the coil.
>
> I got it started once but it was running every rough. Earlier today I had
> it running and handling both AC unite. Than I push it back in and it ran
> for a while then quit. Since then it has not run. I changed the plugs and
> gaped them. No better. Tomorrow I’ll look for new plug wires. I used to
> have some solid wire ignition wires and will see I can fine them. If not I
> go buy some new ones.
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> I thinking pulling the capacitors off the Emerald 1 unite.
>
> Art
>> On May 28, 2018, at 4:21 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
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>> it is a 6000. I was reading on a 7000 different brand and mixed thump
>>> On May 28, 2018, at 3:11 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
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>>> What coils fit the Onan 7000 generator?
>>>
>>> Points are ok but no spark. Condenser is fairly new. Was running ok
> when pulled out. Pushed it back in and it quit. Would not start. Checked
> the spark and there is none.
>>>
>>> Art
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator ? [message #332722 is a reply to message #332699] |
Tue, 29 May 2018 07:47 |
xplorid
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FWIW there is an Onan 7000 in the GMC II by Explorer.
1974/94 GMCII by Explorer
Manny 6.5 TD Al radiator
1 ton front 4 bags back
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator ? [message #332723 is a reply to message #332695] |
Tue, 29 May 2018 08:05 |
jhbridges
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There are a few 7KW Onan sets. One is similar to the 6KW RV unit but normally is 110/220 and has better manifolding. Won't fit a GMC, it's too tall.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator ? [message #332726 is a reply to message #332701] |
Tue, 29 May 2018 08:31 |
Jim Miller
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On May 28, 2018, at 6:41 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
> I got it started once but it was running every rough. Earlier today I had it running and handling both AC unite. Than I push it back in and it ran for a while then quit. Since then it has not run.
If it ran for a bit after you pushed it back in then it most likely explanation is that the fuel line got pinched.
OTOH if it did not run at all after pushing back in then I’d go after electrical. I think it would be quite an unlikely coincidence that your {points,coil,control board - pick one} failed at the exact moment you pushed it back in.
Before fiddling with ignition I would suggest confirming whether or not you have a fuel delivery problem by the simple test of taking the nut out of the bottom of the carb bowl and seeing if fuel drains out. If the bowl is dry then you have a fuel delivery problem. Rule that out before disturbing other systems.
—Jim
Jim Miller
1977 Eleganza
1977 Royale
Hamilton, OH
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator ? [message #332735 is a reply to message #332726] |
Tue, 29 May 2018 14:08 |
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The generator ran for a while when pushed back. The temperature went from 110 deg F to 160 deg F. I do not think it is a pinch fuel line. I think it is temperature related.
Art
> On May 29, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
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> On May 28, 2018, at 6:41 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
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>> I got it started once but it was running every rough. Earlier today I had it running and handling both AC unite. Than I push it back in and it ran for a while then quit. Since then it has not run.
>
> If it ran for a bit after you pushed it back in then it most likely explanation is that the fuel line got pinched.
>
> OTOH if it did not run at all after pushing back in then I’d go after electrical. I think it would be quite an unlikely coincidence that your {points,coil,control board - pick one} failed at the exact moment you pushed it back in.
>
> Before fiddling with ignition I would suggest confirming whether or not you have a fuel delivery problem by the simple test of taking the nut out of the bottom of the carb bowl and seeing if fuel drains out. If the bowl is dry then you have a fuel delivery problem. Rule that out before disturbing other systems.
>
> —Jim
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> Jim Miller
> 1977 Eleganza
> 1977 Royale
> Hamilton, OH
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator ? [message #332737 is a reply to message #332735] |
Tue, 29 May 2018 14:30 |
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Check the fuel lines anyway, heat will can cause an vapor lock or you have
a line that has a crack or hole.
J.R. Wright
GMC Great Laker
GMC Eastern States
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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:08 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net <
amansfield1104@charter.net> wrote:
> The generator ran for a while when pushed back. The temperature went from
> 110 deg F to 160 deg F. I do not think it is a pinch fuel line. I think
> it is temperature related.
>
> Art
>> On May 29, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>>
>> On May 28, 2018, at 6:41 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
>>
>>> I got it started once but it was running every rough. Earlier today I
> had it running and handling both AC unite. Than I push it back in and it
> ran for a while then quit. Since then it has not run.
>>
>> If it ran for a bit after you pushed it back in then it most likely
> explanation is that the fuel line got pinched.
>>
>> OTOH if it did not run at all after pushing back in then I’d go after
> electrical. I think it would be quite an unlikely coincidence that your
> {points,coil,control board - pick one} failed at the exact moment you
> pushed it back in.
>>
>> Before fiddling with ignition I would suggest confirming whether or not
> you have a fuel delivery problem by the simple test of taking the nut out
> of the bottom of the carb bowl and seeing if fuel drains out. If the bowl
> is dry then you have a fuel delivery problem. Rule that out before
> disturbing other systems.
>>
>> —Jim
>>
>> Jim Miller
>> 1977 Eleganza
>> 1977 Royale
>> Hamilton, OH
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator ? [message #332742 is a reply to message #332737] |
Tue, 29 May 2018 15:58 |
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Thanks everyone. The fuel pump has been replace by one that mounts to the same location as the original generator. I’m going to move that pump under the RV to keep it cooler. In the process I will replace the fuel line under the generator.
I ordered new points and condensers for the generator just in case that's the problem. My coils ohm out right so they should be ok.
This morning the generator cranked right up. Weather not to good right now so I can not work on it.
Art
> On May 29, 2018, at 2:30 PM, John Wright wrote:
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> Check the fuel lines anyway, heat will can cause an vapor lock or you have
> a line that has a crack or hole.
>
>
> J.R. Wright
> GMC Great Laker
> GMC Eastern States
> GMCMHI
> TZE Zone Restorations
> 78 Buskirk Custom 30' Stretch
> 75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
>
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:08 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net amansfield1104@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> The generator ran for a while when pushed back. The temperature went from
>> 110 deg F to 160 deg F. I do not think it is a pinch fuel line. I think
>> it is temperature related.
>>
>> Art
>>> On May 29, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> On May 28, 2018, at 6:41 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> I got it started once but it was running every rough. Earlier today I
>> had it running and handling both AC unite. Than I push it back in and it
>> ran for a while then quit. Since then it has not run.
>>>
>>> If it ran for a bit after you pushed it back in then it most likely
>> explanation is that the fuel line got pinched.
>>>
>>> OTOH if it did not run at all after pushing back in then I’d go after
>> electrical. I think it would be quite an unlikely coincidence that your
>> {points,coil,control board - pick one} failed at the exact moment you
>> pushed it back in.
>>>
>>> Before fiddling with ignition I would suggest confirming whether or not
>> you have a fuel delivery problem by the simple test of taking the nut out
>> of the bottom of the carb bowl and seeing if fuel drains out. If the bowl
>> is dry then you have a fuel delivery problem. Rule that out before
>> disturbing other systems.
>>>
>>> —Jim
>>>
>>> Jim Miller
>>> 1977 Eleganza
>>> 1977 Royale
>>> Hamilton, OH
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator ? [message #332757 is a reply to message #332742] |
Tue, 29 May 2018 18:46 |
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Art,
There is no need to relocate the fuel pump, there are hundreds of Onans that run just fine with the fuel pump where it is.
RE: "My coils ohm out right so they should be ok."
Not necessarily, the Onan on Double Trouble would run for an hour or so then it would quit. If I opened the door and let it cool down it would run when it got cooler; I'd close the door and it would run for an hour or so and then quit again.
I installed a new coil and that fixed the problem.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Generator ?
Thanks everyone. The fuel pump has been replace by one that mounts to the same location as the original generator. I’m going to move that pump under the RV to keep it cooler. In the process I will replace the fuel line under the generator.
I ordered new points and condensers for the generator just in case that's the problem. My coils ohm out right so they should be ok.
This morning the generator cranked right up. Weather not to good right now so I can not work on it.
Art
> On May 29, 2018, at 2:30 PM, John Wright wrote:
>
> Check the fuel lines anyway, heat will can cause an vapor lock or you have
> a line that has a crack or hole.
>
>
> J.R. Wright
> GMC Great Laker
> GMC Eastern States
> GMCMHI
> TZE Zone Restorations
> 78 Buskirk Custom 30' Stretch
> 75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
>
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:08 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net amansfield1104@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> The generator ran for a while when pushed back. The temperature went from
>> 110 deg F to 160 deg F. I do not think it is a pinch fuel line. I think
>> it is temperature related.
>>
>> Art
>>> On May 29, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> On May 28, 2018, at 6:41 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> I got it started once but it was running every rough. Earlier today I
>> had it running and handling both AC unite. Than I push it back in and it
>> ran for a while then quit. Since then it has not run.
>>>
>>> If it ran for a bit after you pushed it back in then it most likely
>> explanation is that the fuel line got pinched.
>>>
>>> OTOH if it did not run at all after pushing back in then I’d go after
>> electrical. I think it would be quite an unlikely coincidence that your
>> {points,coil,control board - pick one} failed at the exact moment you
>> pushed it back in.
>>>
>>> Before fiddling with ignition I would suggest confirming whether or not
>> you have a fuel delivery problem by the simple test of taking the nut out
>> of the bottom of the carb bowl and seeing if fuel drains out. If the bowl
>> is dry then you have a fuel delivery problem. Rule that out before
>> disturbing other systems.
>>>
>>> —Jim
>>>
>>> Jim Miller
>>> 1977 Eleganza
>>> 1977 Royale
>>> Hamilton, OH
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Sydney, Australia
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator ? [message #333066 is a reply to message #332757] |
Mon, 04 June 2018 23:07 |
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I replaced the coil. Moved the fuel pump and it still did not run for 30 minute when pushed back. I was surprised that the generator started right up even with the fuel pump mounted on the RV frame.
Sick of playing with this generator. Something is heat sensitive. I have two condenser that I can replace. That will be all I could think of.
Well I started to replace the condenser at the points. Guess what it had come lose at the point connection. I tightened the connection. Started it up closed it up and it ran for 30 minutes. It was late so I shut it down and will run it more tomorrow.
Art
> On May 29, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
>
> Art,
>
> There is no need to relocate the fuel pump, there are hundreds of Onans that run just fine with the fuel pump where it is.
>
> RE: "My coils ohm out right so they should be ok."
>
> Not necessarily, the Onan on Double Trouble would run for an hour or so then it would quit. If I opened the door and let it cool down it would run when it got cooler; I'd close the door and it would run for an hour or so and then quit again.
>
> I installed a new coil and that fixed the problem.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of amansfield1104@charter.net
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 3:58 PM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Generator ?
>
> Thanks everyone. The fuel pump has been replace by one that mounts to the same location as the original generator. I’m going to move that pump under the RV to keep it cooler. In the process I will replace the fuel line under the generator.
>
> I ordered new points and condensers for the generator just in case that's the problem. My coils ohm out right so they should be ok.
>
> This morning the generator cranked right up. Weather not to good right now so I can not work on it.
>
> Art
>> On May 29, 2018, at 2:30 PM, John Wright wrote:
>>
>> Check the fuel lines anyway, heat will can cause an vapor lock or you have
>> a line that has a crack or hole.
>>
>>
>> J.R. Wright
>> GMC Great Laker
>> GMC Eastern States
>> GMCMHI
>> TZE Zone Restorations
>> 78 Buskirk Custom 30' Stretch
>> 75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:08 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net > amansfield1104@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The generator ran for a while when pushed back. The temperature went from
>>> 110 deg F to 160 deg F. I do not think it is a pinch fuel line. I think
>>> it is temperature related.
>>>
>>> Art
>>>> On May 29, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On May 28, 2018, at 6:41 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I got it started once but it was running every rough. Earlier today I
>>> had it running and handling both AC unite. Than I push it back in and it
>>> ran for a while then quit. Since then it has not run.
>>>>
>>>> If it ran for a bit after you pushed it back in then it most likely
>>> explanation is that the fuel line got pinched.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH if it did not run at all after pushing back in then I’d go after
>>> electrical. I think it would be quite an unlikely coincidence that your
>>> {points,coil,control board - pick one} failed at the exact moment you
>>> pushed it back in.
>>>>
>>>> Before fiddling with ignition I would suggest confirming whether or not
>>> you have a fuel delivery problem by the simple test of taking the nut out
>>> of the bottom of the carb bowl and seeing if fuel drains out. If the bowl
>>> is dry then you have a fuel delivery problem. Rule that out before
>>> disturbing other systems.
>>>>
>>>> —Jim
>>>>
>>>> Jim Miller
>>>> 1977 Eleganza
>>>> 1977 Royale
>>>> Hamilton, OH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator ? [message #333068 is a reply to message #333066] |
Mon, 04 June 2018 23:17 |
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It sounds like you are under the misconception that the Onan runs hotter when it is pushed in. Actually the way the fan is designed when the Onan is pushed in air will be drawn around and over the Onan so it will actually run cooler
when it is pushed in and the door closed.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Jun 4, 2018, at 10:07 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
>
> I replaced the coil. Moved the fuel pump and it still did not run for 30 minute when pushed back. I was surprised that the generator started right up even with the fuel pump mounted on the RV frame.
>
> Sick of playing with this generator. Something is heat sensitive. I have two condenser that I can replace. That will be all I could think of.
>
> Well I started to replace the condenser at the points. Guess what it had come lose at the point connection. I tightened the connection. Started it up closed it up and it ran for 30 minutes. It was late so I shut it down and will run it more tomorrow.
>
> Art
>> On May 29, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
>>
>> Art,
>>
>> There is no need to relocate the fuel pump, there are hundreds of Onans that run just fine with the fuel pump where it is.
>>
>> RE: "My coils ohm out right so they should be ok."
>>
>> Not necessarily, the Onan on Double Trouble would run for an hour or so then it would quit. If I opened the door and let it cool down it would run when it got cooler; I'd close the door and it would run for an hour or so and then quit again.
>>
>> I installed a new coil and that fixed the problem.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of amansfield1104@charter.net
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 3:58 PM
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Generator ?
>>
>> Thanks everyone. The fuel pump has been replace by one that mounts to the same location as the original generator. I’m going to move that pump under the RV to keep it cooler. In the process I will replace the fuel line under the generator.
>>
>> I ordered new points and condensers for the generator just in case that's the problem. My coils ohm out right so they should be ok.
>>
>> This morning the generator cranked right up. Weather not to good right now so I can not work on it.
>>
>> Art
>>> On May 29, 2018, at 2:30 PM, John Wright wrote:
>>>
>>> Check the fuel lines anyway, heat will can cause an vapor lock or you have
>>> a line that has a crack or hole.
>>>
>>>
>>> J.R. Wright
>>> GMC Great Laker
>>> GMC Eastern States
>>> GMCMHI
>>> TZE Zone Restorations
>>> 78 Buskirk Custom 30' Stretch
>>> 75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:08 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net >> amansfield1104@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The generator ran for a while when pushed back. The temperature went from
>>>> 110 deg F to 160 deg F. I do not think it is a pinch fuel line. I think
>>>> it is temperature related.
>>>>
>>>> Art
>>>> > On May 29, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > On May 28, 2018, at 6:41 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I got it started once but it was running every rough. Earlier today I
>>>> had it running and handling both AC unite. Than I push it back in and it
>>>> ran for a while then quit. Since then it has not run.
>>>> >
>>>> > If it ran for a bit after you pushed it back in then it most likely
>>>> explanation is that the fuel line got pinched.
>>>> >
>>>> > OTOH if it did not run at all after pushing back in then I’d go after
>>>> electrical. I think it would be quite an unlikely coincidence that your
>>>> {points,coil,control board - pick one} failed at the exact moment you
>>>> pushed it back in.
>>>> >
>>>> > Before fiddling with ignition I would suggest confirming whether or not
>>>> you have a fuel delivery problem by the simple test of taking the nut out
>>>> of the bottom of the carb bowl and seeing if fuel drains out. If the bowl
>>>> is dry then you have a fuel delivery problem. Rule that out before
>>>> disturbing other systems.
>>>> >
>>>> > —Jim
>>>> >
>>>> > Jim Miller
>>>> > 1977 Eleganza
>>>> > 1977 Royale
>>>> > Hamilton, OH
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator ? [message #333077 is a reply to message #333068] |
Tue, 05 June 2018 08:43 |
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You might also carefully check the point/condenser wire where they run
under the tin cover. On my 6k Onan the point (or condenser wire cannot
remember which) had gotten pinched and slightly bared which caused
intermittent runability issues.
Sully
Coachless
Bellevue
On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 12:18 AM Emery Stora wrote:
> It sounds like you are under the misconception that the Onan runs hotter
> when it is pushed in. Actually the way the fan is designed when the Onan
> is pushed in air will be drawn around and over the Onan so it will actually
> run cooler
> when it is pushed in and the door closed.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>> On Jun 4, 2018, at 10:07 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
>>
>> I replaced the coil. Moved the fuel pump and it still did not run for
> 30 minute when pushed back. I was surprised that the generator started
> right up even with the fuel pump mounted on the RV frame.
>>
>> Sick of playing with this generator. Something is heat sensitive. I
> have two condenser that I can replace. That will be all I could think of.
>>
>> Well I started to replace the condenser at the points. Guess what it
> had come lose at the point connection. I tightened the connection.
> Started it up closed it up and it ran for 30 minutes. It was late so I
> shut it down and will run it more tomorrow.
>>
>> Art
>>> On May 29, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Rob Mueller
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Art,
>>>
>>> There is no need to relocate the fuel pump, there are hundreds of Onans
> that run just fine with the fuel pump where it is.
>>>
>>> RE: "My coils ohm out right so they should be ok."
>>>
>>> Not necessarily, the Onan on Double Trouble would run for an hour or so
> then it would quit. If I opened the door and let it cool down it would run
> when it got cooler; I'd close the door and it would run for an hour or so
> and then quit again.
>>>
>>> I installed a new coil and that fixed the problem.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rob M.
>>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>>> Sydney, Australia
>>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
> amansfield1104@charter.net
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 3:58 PM
>>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Generator ?
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone. The fuel pump has been replace by one that mounts to
> the same location as the original generator. I’m going to move that pump
> under the RV to keep it cooler. In the process I will replace the fuel
> line under the generator.
>>>
>>> I ordered new points and condensers for the generator just in case
> that's the problem. My coils ohm out right so they should be ok.
>>>
>>> This morning the generator cranked right up. Weather not to good right
> now so I can not work on it.
>>>
>>> Art
>>>> On May 29, 2018, at 2:30 PM, John Wright wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Check the fuel lines anyway, heat will can cause an vapor lock or you
> have
>>>> a line that has a crack or hole.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> J.R. Wright
>>>> GMC Great Laker
>>>> GMC Eastern States
>>>> GMCMHI
>>>> TZE Zone Restorations
>>>> 78 Buskirk Custom 30' Stretch
>>>> 75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:08 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net >>> amansfield1104@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > The generator ran for a while when pushed back. The temperature went
> from
>>>> > 110 deg F to 160 deg F. I do not think it is a pinch fuel line. I
> think
>>>> > it is temperature related.
>>>> >
>>>> > Art
>>>> >> On May 29, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On May 28, 2018, at 6:41 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> I got it started once but it was running every rough. Earlier
> today I
>>>> > had it running and handling both AC unite. Than I push it back in
> and it
>>>> > ran for a while then quit. Since then it has not run.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If it ran for a bit after you pushed it back in then it most likely
>>>> > explanation is that the fuel line got pinched.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> OTOH if it did not run at all after pushing back in then I’d go after
>>>> > electrical. I think it would be quite an unlikely coincidence that
> your
>>>> > {points,coil,control board - pick one} failed at the exact moment you
>>>> > pushed it back in.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Before fiddling with ignition I would suggest confirming whether or
> not
>>>> > you have a fuel delivery problem by the simple test of taking the nut
> out
>>>> > of the bottom of the carb bowl and seeing if fuel drains out. If the
> bowl
>>>> > is dry then you have a fuel delivery problem. Rule that out before
>>>> > disturbing other systems.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> —Jim
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jim Miller
>>>> >> 1977 Eleganza
>>>> >> 1977 Royale
>>>> >> Hamilton, OH
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator ? [message #333144 is a reply to message #333068] |
Wed, 06 June 2018 19:32 |
amansfield1104
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Emery
I do not know if the motor runs hotter. The area where the fuel pump was mounted ran at 110F open and 160F closed. I measured it several times and it was always about 160F by the fuel pump when it quit.
I mean it ran closed for two hours before I shut it down. I did not open it up and check the temperature as the fuel pump is under the RV. Not sure that helped but it is done. My fuel pump is just standard car low pressure pump and not the Onan pump that had quit.
On top of the Onan the point cover was a little cooler … 145F.
I think I need to lean it out a little as it smells like it is running rich.
Thanks Art
Art
> On Jun 4, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
>
> It sounds like you are under the misconception that the Onan runs hotter when it is pushed in. Actually the way the fan is designed when the Onan is pushed in air will be drawn around and over the Onan so it will actually run cooler
> when it is pushed in and the door closed.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>> On Jun 4, 2018, at 10:07 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
>>
>> I replaced the coil. Moved the fuel pump and it still did not run for 30 minute when pushed back. I was surprised that the generator started right up even with the fuel pump mounted on the RV frame.
>>
>> Sick of playing with this generator. Something is heat sensitive. I have two condenser that I can replace. That will be all I could think of.
>>
>> Well I started to replace the condenser at the points. Guess what it had come lose at the point connection. I tightened the connection. Started it up closed it up and it ran for 30 minutes. It was late so I shut it down and will run it more tomorrow.
>>
>> Art
>>> On May 29, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
>>>
>>> Art,
>>>
>>> There is no need to relocate the fuel pump, there are hundreds of Onans that run just fine with the fuel pump where it is.
>>>
>>> RE: "My coils ohm out right so they should be ok."
>>>
>>> Not necessarily, the Onan on Double Trouble would run for an hour or so then it would quit. If I opened the door and let it cool down it would run when it got cooler; I'd close the door and it would run for an hour or so and then quit again.
>>>
>>> I installed a new coil and that fixed the problem.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rob M.
>>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>>> Sydney, Australia
>>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of amansfield1104@charter.net
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 3:58 PM
>>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Generator ?
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone. The fuel pump has been replace by one that mounts to the same location as the original generator. I’m going to move that pump under the RV to keep it cooler. In the process I will replace the fuel line under the generator.
>>>
>>> I ordered new points and condensers for the generator just in case that's the problem. My coils ohm out right so they should be ok.
>>>
>>> This morning the generator cranked right up. Weather not to good right now so I can not work on it.
>>>
>>> Art
>>>> On May 29, 2018, at 2:30 PM, John Wright wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Check the fuel lines anyway, heat will can cause an vapor lock or you have
>>>> a line that has a crack or hole.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> J.R. Wright
>>>> GMC Great Laker
>>>> GMC Eastern States
>>>> GMCMHI
>>>> TZE Zone Restorations
>>>> 78 Buskirk Custom 30' Stretch
>>>> 75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:08 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net >>> amansfield1104@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > The generator ran for a while when pushed back. The temperature went from
>>>> > 110 deg F to 160 deg F. I do not think it is a pinch fuel line. I think
>>>> > it is temperature related.
>>>> >
>>>> > Art
>>>> >> On May 29, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On May 28, 2018, at 6:41 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> I got it started once but it was running every rough. Earlier today I
>>>> > had it running and handling both AC unite. Than I push it back in and it
>>>> > ran for a while then quit. Since then it has not run.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If it ran for a bit after you pushed it back in then it most likely
>>>> > explanation is that the fuel line got pinched.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> OTOH if it did not run at all after pushing back in then I’d go after
>>>> > electrical. I think it would be quite an unlikely coincidence that your
>>>> > {points,coil,control board - pick one} failed at the exact moment you
>>>> > pushed it back in.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Before fiddling with ignition I would suggest confirming whether or not
>>>> > you have a fuel delivery problem by the simple test of taking the nut out
>>>> > of the bottom of the carb bowl and seeing if fuel drains out. If the bowl
>>>> > is dry then you have a fuel delivery problem. Rule that out before
>>>> > disturbing other systems.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> —Jim
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jim Miller
>>>> >> 1977 Eleganza
>>>> >> 1977 Royale
>>>> >> Hamilton, OH
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> GMCnet mailing list
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator ? [message #333145 is a reply to message #333077] |
Wed, 06 June 2018 19:40 |
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Sully Thanks I looked at it see if wires were rubbing and they looked clear. Thanks
I really need to change the points and condenser but I am short of time. It ran much better today.
I guess I have the governor a little tight as the motor speeds up under load. The voltage goes from 120 to 124 with both AC running.
Art
> On Jun 5, 2018, at 8:43 AM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
>
> You might also carefully check the point/condenser wire where they run
> under the tin cover. On my 6k Onan the point (or condenser wire cannot
> remember which) had gotten pinched and slightly bared which caused
> intermittent runability issues.
>
> Sully
> Coachless
> Bellevue
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 12:18 AM Emery Stora wrote:
>
>> It sounds like you are under the misconception that the Onan runs hotter
>> when it is pushed in. Actually the way the fan is designed when the Onan
>> is pushed in air will be drawn around and over the Onan so it will actually
>> run cooler
>> when it is pushed in and the door closed.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2018, at 10:07 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
>>>
>>> I replaced the coil. Moved the fuel pump and it still did not run for
>> 30 minute when pushed back. I was surprised that the generator started
>> right up even with the fuel pump mounted on the RV frame.
>>>
>>> Sick of playing with this generator. Something is heat sensitive. I
>> have two condenser that I can replace. That will be all I could think of.
>>>
>>> Well I started to replace the condenser at the points. Guess what it
>> had come lose at the point connection. I tightened the connection.
>> Started it up closed it up and it ran for 30 minutes. It was late so I
>> shut it down and will run it more tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Art
>>>> On May 29, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Rob Mueller
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Art,
>>>>
>>>> There is no need to relocate the fuel pump, there are hundreds of Onans
>> that run just fine with the fuel pump where it is.
>>>>
>>>> RE: "My coils ohm out right so they should be ok."
>>>>
>>>> Not necessarily, the Onan on Double Trouble would run for an hour or so
>> then it would quit. If I opened the door and let it cool down it would run
>> when it got cooler; I'd close the door and it would run for an hour or so
>> and then quit again.
>>>>
>>>> I installed a new coil and that fixed the problem.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Rob M.
>>>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>>>> Sydney, Australia
>>>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>>>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>>> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> amansfield1104@charter.net
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 3:58 PM
>>>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Generator ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone. The fuel pump has been replace by one that mounts to
>> the same location as the original generator. I’m going to move that pump
>> under the RV to keep it cooler. In the process I will replace the fuel
>> line under the generator.
>>>>
>>>> I ordered new points and condensers for the generator just in case
>> that's the problem. My coils ohm out right so they should be ok.
>>>>
>>>> This morning the generator cranked right up. Weather not to good right
>> now so I can not work on it.
>>>>
>>>> Art
>>>> > On May 29, 2018, at 2:30 PM, John Wright wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Check the fuel lines anyway, heat will can cause an vapor lock or you
>> have
>>>> > a line that has a crack or hole.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > J.R. Wright
>>>> > GMC Great Laker
>>>> > GMC Eastern States
>>>> > GMCMHI
>>>> > TZE Zone Restorations
>>>> > 78 Buskirk Custom 30' Stretch
>>>> > 75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:08 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net >>> > amansfield1104@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> The generator ran for a while when pushed back. The temperature went
>> from
>>>> >> 110 deg F to 160 deg F. I do not think it is a pinch fuel line. I
>> think
>>>> >> it is temperature related.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Art
>>>> >>> On May 29, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On May 28, 2018, at 6:41 PM, amansfield1104@charter.net wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> I got it started once but it was running every rough. Earlier
>> today I
>>>> >> had it running and handling both AC unite. Than I push it back in
>> and it
>>>> >> ran for a while then quit. Since then it has not run.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> If it ran for a bit after you pushed it back in then it most likely
>>>> >> explanation is that the fuel line got pinched.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> OTOH if it did not run at all after pushing back in then I’d go after
>>>> >> electrical. I think it would be quite an unlikely coincidence that
>> your
>>>> >> {points,coil,control board - pick one} failed at the exact moment you
>>>> >> pushed it back in.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Before fiddling with ignition I would suggest confirming whether or
>> not
>>>> >> you have a fuel delivery problem by the simple test of taking the nut
>> out
>>>> >> of the bottom of the carb bowl and seeing if fuel drains out. If the
>> bowl
>>>> >> is dry then you have a fuel delivery problem. Rule that out before
>>>> >> disturbing other systems.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> —Jim
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Jim Miller
>>>> >>> 1977 Eleganza
>>>> >>> 1977 Royale
>>>> >>> Hamilton, OH
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>> GMCnet mailing list
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