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USAussie
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Bob,
The Wix 51307 should NOT be used in either a 455 or 403 as it has a bypass valve.
http://oilfilterdata.com/index.php?view=filter_info&model=51307
The oil filter adapter of the 455 and 403 has a bypass valve in it:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/455-2f-403-engine-oil-flow-path/p60140-oil-filter-base1.html
Nor should any other filter with a bypass valve; I learned that from presentations made by Dick Patterson.
The Fram PF25 does not have a bypass valve, however, before I used on I'd cut it open and see what the total area of the filter
element was.
Here's a link that shows a Wix 51049 filter element unfolded and stretched out;
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/455-2f-403-engine-oil-flow-path/p53487-wix-51049-element.html
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Bob Dunahugh
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 9:43 PM
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Subject: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long.
Someone asked me today. What's the longest oil filter for our engines. These are the ones that I know. Two of the short ones that
I wouldn't use. Fram PH25, and WIX 51307are 3.5 inches long. WIX 51049 is 5 inches long. I'm sure that there are more brands that
are 5 inches long. Bob Dunahugh
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long. [message #332082 is a reply to message #332077] |
Tue, 15 May 2018 08:38 |
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USAussie
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Larry,
Agreed, the 51258 is a shorter version of the 51049; it is the same diameter so safe to assume that the length of the element is the
same, just not as "wide."
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long.
Do, how about the Wix 51258? Been using that for a long time. IIRC it is the shorter version of the 51049.
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Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long. [message #332143 is a reply to message #332140] |
Tue, 15 May 2018 22:24 |
Ken Burton
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mghamms wrote on Tue, 15 May 2018 21:38I have been using a Purolator pureone PL25288 oil filter it is small 2.75" dia. X 4" long no bypass valve and filters to less than 5 microns.
Just what I use fits and works.
I looked up that filter and the site I went to said that is a 25 micron not a 5 micron filter. I thought 5 micron was very small for oil.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long. [message #332145 is a reply to message #332140] |
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Mike,
I've never heard of an oil filter that filters down to 5 microns so I Googled the Purolator and here's what came up:
http://oilfilterdata.com/index.php?view=filter_info&model=PL25288
Note: Efficiency: 99.9% @ 20?
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long.
I have been using a Purolator pureone PL25288 oil filter it is small 2.75" dia. X 4" long no bypass valve and filters to less than 5
microns.
Just what I use fits and works.
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1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long. [message #332169 is a reply to message #332140] |
Wed, 16 May 2018 11:53 |
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Matt Colie
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mghamms wrote on Tue, 15 May 2018 22:38I have been using a Purolator pureone PL25288 oil filter it is small 2.75" dia. X 4" long no bypass valve and filters to less than 5 microns.
Just what I use fits and works.
The old flat VW engines had nothing but a window screen in the pickup. A little finer that the one in ours, and our engine all by-pass the filter at some time, so I refuse to worry about the filter quality past its basic crud catching....
If you remember, I had a timing chain that was bad because the little hole go plugged with a piece of carbon at some point. I will put a strainer in there, but I will stay with a good name oil filter only because I had a bad one break up on me (when you see filter paper in the outlet, that is a bad filter).
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long. [message #332172 is a reply to message #332169] |
Wed, 16 May 2018 12:31 |
mghamms
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Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 16 May 2018 11:53mghamms wrote on Tue, 15 May 2018 22:38I have been using a Purolator pureone PL25288 oil filter it is small 2.75" dia. X 4" long no bypass valve and filters to less than 5 microns.
Just what I use fits and works.
The old flat VW engines had nothing but a window screen in the pickup. A little finer that the one in ours, and our engine all by-pass the filter at some time, so I refuse to worry about the filter quality past its basic crud catching....
If you remember, I had a timing chain that was bad because the little hole go plugged with a piece of carbon at some point. I will put a strainer in there, but I will stay with a good name oil filter only because I had a bad one break up on me (when you see filter paper in the outlet, that is a bad filter).
Matt
I've had several Vw air cooled and was always amazed at how much crud was on the clean out plate when I did an oil change.
The last Vw flat 4 I had was water cooled in a vanagon and that had an oil filter.
I had a filter in my Vw Touareg come apart. It has a replaceable element in the housing. The plastic ends came unglued from the media so no filtration for some time.
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
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| Re: [GMCnet] Body repair on the lower panels [message #332369 is a reply to message #332362] |
Mon, 21 May 2018 11:29 |
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I replaced my solaire furnace with a much newer model suburban which is
installed and serviced from the outside. You will not have to take apart
your cabinets ever again to gain access to the furnace as it just slides
out the outside of the coach. The hole which needs to be cut to install the
carrier bracket is much bigger than the small original vent holes. The
hardest part ( which was not really that hard) was to build an angled floor
mount to tilt the back of the furnace up so that the face of the outside
panel was in the same plane as the body curvature.
Sully
77 eleganza 2
Bellevue
On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 7:59 AM RICHARD/MARLI SHOOP
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> I have to replace my original Sol Aire coach furnace. I know that the new
> furnace vents are not going to fit the old holes, what can I use to do a
> great job of patching the holes in the lower panels?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Body repair on the lower panels [message #332370 is a reply to message #332362] |
Mon, 21 May 2018 12:05 |
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Matt Colie
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richshoop wrote on Mon, 21 May 2018 10:58I have to replace my original Sol Aire coach furnace. I know that the new furnace vents are not going to fit the old holes, what can I use to do a great job of patching the holes in the lower panels?
Rich,
What you did here was "Hijack a Thread". It does not matter a lot, the half that read this as e-mail won't even know, but the other half may not see it at all. This happened when you used "Reply" and changed the title instead of using "New Topic".
Now, to your problem....
this is a relatively easy task if you can get the right materials. As you do not have a sigfile or give any hit where you are, I am going to assume you know where and how to get stuff.
What you need is an epoxy fiberglass repair kit that has a small amount of filler and glass cloth.
If you get West System stuff and read the instructions, success is all but guaranteed.
Get two small cans and the pump set. About a square foot of 9oz fabric (mat will not work) and a small amount of micro-light filler. You will also need some acetone, mixing sticks and cups, brushes, disposable gloves and a soaking board. A spreading tool might be nice, but is not essential.
You will first be working from the inside, have things open so you can breath.
Sand and solvent wash the inside surface to remove any of the mold release related to the SMC process. It is still there even if you cannot feel it.
Cut the glass cloth to over lay the holes by and inch at least.
Mix a first run of epoxy, paint it on the area that will be covered by the cloth.
Put the cloth on the soaker board and wet it until it is close to clear. It does not have to be completely clear in this case a the bubbles trapped in the cloth won't matter.
If you got the surface a little too wet, the cloth will try to slide down. Sorry, there is no cure for this, but now you have to stay on it with the brush and keep the cloth in place until the cure starts. If it is a cold day, this can be a while.
Once that has cured, (a couple of hours at least) then you need to wash the new surface again as it will have formed a blush that is a pretty good release agent.
Now, do another mix and paint just a little epoxy on the patch area. This is to make the filler bond to the cloth.
Take the rest of the mix and keep adding the microlight or filleting blend until it is thinker than good peanut butter. It still has to all be wet, but when you pick up some on the stick, it should not mind staying there. Again, this is a practice factor thing and if it is too wet, you will have to stay with it until it stops moving. If you fill it a little proud, that can be sanded or filed to level. Do Not sand it with a soft pad sander. If you need to level it much, have a HARD sanding block to do it. If there are flaws in the leveled surface, you can do a wet mix of epoxy and light filler to make a final pass. Do not use straight epoxy as it will be too hard to sand.
If you need more or clarification, I'm here a lot.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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