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Intro and some questions! [message #330732] Mon, 09 April 2018 09:50 Go to next message
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Gary Worobec is currently offline  Gary Worobec   United States
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Since you are in the Bay area you should go visit Jim Kanamato at Applied GMC in Fremont. He can give you lots of information on anything you need for your coach. Otherwise you will spend dozens of hours dicking around and spending lots of unneccessary money.
He has a wide variety of air bag fixes and replacements.

> On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:50 AM, M A wrote:
>
> Hi new owner here in the Bay area California. We picked up a non running 1975, for the price of a tow. Don't be too excited it needs hundreds of
> hours of work.
>
> After a day of tinkering we got the unit up and going.
>
> Bag system is shot from sitting, during my browsing I came across all of the replacement systems. I also came across the original plans for the
> Firestone airbag conversion, now I can't find it again .
>
> Does anyone have the link to the pics with diagrams/dimentions for the bag mounts ? Trying to decide if I want to pay for a set or build them.
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> -M
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Re: [GMCnet] Intro and some questions! [message #330736 is a reply to message #330734] Mon, 09 April 2018 10:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Welcome to GMC Ownership, and congrats on the purchase/ Thanks for saving another coach.

As you may or may not know what all is needed with the rest of the coach, I might suggest looking for a set of used OEM bags to get you by until you have a good priority list. Dropping 800 to 1600 on a bag system may or may not be the way to go early until you know things like wheel bearings and races are good both front and rear. Your Brakes are in top operational shape, Engine / Trans are operational. The rear can sit on dog bones, or proper length all thread with a piece of pipe just to get the rear off the ground. These are temporary solutions until you have a good idea of what all needs to be done.

Agree with seeing Jim at Applied since your so close.

But again, developing a punch list of things that need to be done in priority order may be a solid way to tackle the coach. This will keep you from being overwhelmed and allow you to learn about each of the systems. These are great coaches.



77 Royale, Rear Dry Bath. 403, 3.55 Final Drive, Lenzi goodies, Patterson carb and dizzy. Mid Michigan
Re: Intro and some questions! [message #330737 is a reply to message #330732] Mon, 09 April 2018 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Intro and some questions! [message #330739 is a reply to message #330737] Mon, 09 April 2018 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Check here:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/new-airbag-system/p40917-replacement-airbag-airspring-rear-suspension-system.html


The brackets are a 20 minute job. If you can't find exact specs it's very self explanatory and a very easy fab job. I'd just order bags and build to suit.


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Re: [GMCnet] Intro and some questions! [message #330740 is a reply to message #330737] Mon, 09 April 2018 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why bother with reinventing the wheel? Get the Sully system which uses still-available air bags (through most any truck repair facility) and works at least as well as the original system. Great ride quality and uses lower air pressure to maintain proper height. I think they MIGHT have 1/4 or 1/2 inch less total travel range. Will ship in two "If it fits, it ships" USPS boxes and you buy the bags locally to save shipping costs.

I suspect Jim Canoftomatoes may even carry them in stock!


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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Intro and some questions!

Thanks for the input all.

I have a pre-war car restoration shop so building the bag brackets is a few hour job...ive been up to applied, and they are great people !

Right now just looking for the original plans of the brackets so I don't have to drop 6-1200 on a bag system. I already have the materials, then I'm
looking at about $300 in bags !

Trans, engie and brakes are all functional at this ppoint and just need tuneups
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Re: Intro and some questions! [message #330741 is a reply to message #330739] Mon, 09 April 2018 11:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sully sells them but some make there own.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/new-airbag-system/p39895-airbag-mounting-plates.html

http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&rid=0&th=18114&goto=136434

http://www.gmcmotorhomemarketplace.com/sully/

Good luck with your bags.

Dave


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Re: Intro and some questions! [message #330746 is a reply to message #330732] Mon, 09 April 2018 12:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hey Napalm00, looks like you got a pretty straight one there and for that price I dont see how you can go wrong.

good luck with it!
Re: Intro and some questions! [message #330759 is a reply to message #330732] Mon, 09 April 2018 18:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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MA,

Welcome to the group, family, cult, asylum......

Yes, it does look like you got a good one. As an old car restorer, there is a lot I don't need to tell you. You have found JimK and that was a real good start.

First things first: If you do not have all the documentation you might want, it can all be downloaded at B'dub's. Everything is there, you may have to hunt. Once you get it safe to drive, make a point of enjoying what it can do for you.

Now, about this forum. It was originally an email group and still is for many with slow connections and when you post a big picture, it does not auto-resize, so like right now, I am writing of the page end blind.

Because this is an e-mail/forum, and it is truly international (not just USA and Canada) please create a sigfile that contains: A real name this is so other owners will know who you are when you meet them (and you will), a short bit about the coach because there are a lot of differences and some really matter and try to include and serious mods that might make a difference, and a geographic reference so others that may be able to be of assistance will know if they are in striking range. The e-mail readers don't get the header. This will make life easier for both you and the rest of us. That is all under Contol Panel/Account settings. Jsut remember to scroll down to update when you are done.

Right up front, I am going to tell you that the coach is yours to do with as you please. By this I mean that some many other restoration groups look down on those that make changes from stock designs. That is not here. We have many that have been repowered with other engines. Cadillac 500s are as close as you can get to a bolt in, but there are about a dozen diesels out there and more than a few with truck 8.1s. Many have new front suspension taken from a 1-ton GM truck and even more have lots more diskbrakes and other such changes. As these are all do-able things, I suggest that you ask here before seriously consider any of those things. Just because you can do it does not mean you should.

Some thing I will say is that the original designs were really good and I would advise you to use it as built before changing things...

By becoming an owner and joining this forum, you have become a part of an amazing community. When you learn more about this community (that you have just become a part of) you will understand that the coach is more than just another restoration project. It attaches you to a community of supportive and helping people like few others. They (we) all have a not so secret agenda. That agenda is to see that you get to enjoy your coach and what it can do for you as we all do and have. The only other community that I know of that is at all like this is that of the watermen that are my world. For this very reason, I have taken to welcoming any new owners that show up here much as an new owner or vessel is welcomed there. So,

May the Good Lord bless this coach and all those that set forth within here.

Welcome M A

Matt


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Re: Intro and some questions! [message #330767 is a reply to message #330732] Mon, 09 April 2018 22:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: [GMCnet] Intro and some questions! [message #330771 is a reply to message #330767] Tue, 10 April 2018 00:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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MA,
Your spending lot of time doing something that has been done.
The bag your trying to do is not stock. We Call ours a Mono Bag system and
comes complete or supply you what you need.
The plate size you have seem small , so you will hve issues with the unit
later.
I'm at Internatonal Convention in Tucson, but Nick can assist you.

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:40 PM, M A wrote:

> Thanks for the welcome !
>
> ill keep the image sizing in mind from now on, sorry about that.
>
> Unfortunately, I cant do the real name thing...just not my style.
>
>
> Ill be updating the coach for function before form, cant wait to dig in
> deep
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Re: [GMCnet] Intro and some questions! [message #330774 is a reply to message #330771] Tue, 10 April 2018 02:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:55 PM Jim Kanomata wrote:

> MA,
> Your spending lot of time doing something that has been done.
> The bag your trying to do is not stock. We Call ours a Mono Bag system and
> comes complete or supply you what you need.
> The plate size you have seem small , so you will hve issues with the unit
> later.
> I'm at Internatonal Convention in Tucson, but Nick can assist you.
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:40 PM, M A wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the welcome !
>>
>> ill keep the image sizing in mind from now on, sorry about that.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I cant do the real name thing...just not my style.
>>
>>
>> Ill be updating the coach for function before form, cant wait to dig in
>> deep
>> --
>> 1975 Glenbrook
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Re: [GMCnet] Intro and some questions! [message #330780 is a reply to message #330771] Tue, 10 April 2018 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: [GMCnet] Intro and some questions [message #330783 is a reply to message #330780] Tue, 10 April 2018 09:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh, great did not know your living in the area.
Should you have any concerns I can assist you with feel free to reach out
to us

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 6:52 AM M A wrote:

> Hey Jim thanks for reaching out ! I k ow the bag isn't the stock one , I'm
> not trying to reinvent the wheel , the plans seem straight forward and I am
> planning to make plates myself with material I have on hand .
>
> I do auto resto work for prewar cars and have a full machine and
> fabrication shop.
>
> I will however need a ton of other parts and stuff I'm assunifnyou have
> sitting on the shelf somewhere, i was planning to stop by this Wednesday to
> chat about it.
>
>
> Also : I have an email out to the good guys car show in plesenton, I'm
> trying to get the ok to run my coach in the burnout competition!
>
>
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Re: Intro and some questions! [message #330787 is a reply to message #330738] Tue, 10 April 2018 09:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Napalm00 wrote on Mon, 09 April 2018 11:53
Sorry for the fire drill ! I found it!

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/new-airbag-system/p40916-mark-grueninger-27s-answer-to-exorbitanent-oem-air-bag-prices.html


Your link is for the system Mark G. designed. He did not want to go into business of making them for others so with Mark's ok, Sulli did. However, Sulli also made some improvements to the brackets. I'd recommend you information and photos about the changes Sulli made before making a set of brackets.


Mike K. '75 PB Southeast Michigan
Re: Intro and some questions! [message #330789 is a reply to message #330787] Tue, 10 April 2018 09:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I found it. Here are Sulli's photos and info:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/markbag/p41818-sullybilt-air-bag-bracket.html


Mike K. '75 PB Southeast Michigan
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There are a lot of monobag choices today, compared to just a few years ago. You are in salad days for airbag choices.

I went with the sully system - it was well built, worked just like the original and installed easily. Not to say the other options aren't just as good. Just my experience.

Ifn you can weld, there is no reason you can't make them. But, time is one of your most valuable commodity fixing these things up - budget wisely.

There will be lots of opportunities for spending long hours fixing things, and re-inventing the wheel, if you are worried about something to do.

These are wonderful vehicles, state of the art when built, and built to be re-built. But, they are 40 years old, and even well kept originals will need to be gone through and refreshed.

Others will echo here, but make it safe - its a 6 ton missile without brakes, so be sure you go through the brake system before you go too far.

Good luck, and welcome!


76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center... Columbia, SC.
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Napalm00 wrote on Tue, 10 April 2018 22:20
Current plan is as such:


Tow home: check
Clean out homeless guy debris: check
Get Running: check
Remove gross carpet and headliner:check
Remove roof storage box (broken)
Bags and bogies; replace and grease
Brakes; turn drums, install speed bleeders, repack wheel bearings, replace fluid and possibly master if poor performance
Tuneup
shakedown run
fuel lines
interior
exterior



do you know when the last time it was driven? that might definitely be a "shakedown run" if all six tires are flat spotted. HAHAhaha!

with you being a pro resto guy this one is sure to be worth following. perhaps a build thread is in order?


looking forward to keeping up with your progress on it eitherway.

[Updated on: Wed, 11 April 2018 06:00]

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