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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327784 is a reply to message #327782] |
Thu, 04 January 2018 18:09 |
jimk
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Karen,
When you get to the International Convention, you will be amazed as to what
all they come equipped with and ALL the great Volentiers that are there
week ahead to set it up.
All this was origionally set up by Ralph Luby the origional founder of
International.
Back then ALL the Board members and spouse were required to be there one
week ahead and stay one week after.
They made some concession as I was a Major Vendor.
Karen, when you arrive there I will arrange to have one of the volentiers
take you around and show you what all they haul to the convenion in the
boxes.
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 3:14 PM, KB wrote:
> Thanks for the insights, Emery. The smaller groups I know of haul very
> little to no equipment and don't require anywhere near that much setup so
> could, in theory, be more flexible on dates.
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> thanks,
> Karen
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327785 is a reply to message #327779] |
Thu, 04 January 2018 18:09 |
Sandra Price
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Karen, your sigfile doesn't tell me where you are. Where are you located?
Sandra Price
On Jan 4, 2018 4:37 PM, "KB" wrote:
> Jim Galbavy wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 12:59
>> Instead of expecting someone else to do it, why not volunteer and go on
> the Board
>> and YOU try to make a difference?
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> No need to be offensive.
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> My purpose here is to find out *why* it's being done (thanks Emery), and
> *if* it's an issue for others (it is).
> This discussion also helps raise the idea to the GMCMI board members who
> read the forum (several do), but GMCMI very rarely holds a rally even
> remotely close to our area.
>
> This is also an issue for local groups, which are much smaller and usually
> more flexible.
> Now that I know it's not just us, I can approach the clubs of which I'm a
> member, and on whose boards I'm much more likely to serve.
>
> Our discussion here may also alert folks on the forum who are in other
> groups that they might want to consider a change.
> It's up to them to decide, but hopefully they will at least think twice
> about "We've always done it that way."
>
> Karen
> 1975 26'
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327800 is a reply to message #327746] |
Fri, 05 January 2018 09:55 |
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Matt Colie
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Jeanette wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 11:37Here's the scoop on rally dates. There are many places to see the GMCMH Community Calendar:
GMCMI maintains a google calendar on the website at http://www.gmcmi.com/gmc-calendar/, pins the current month on each of the face book pages (https://www.facebook.com/groups/vintagegmcmotorhomes/ and https://www.facebook.com/GMCMI/) with a link to the website calendar, a list of the two upcoming months are in the monthly "GMCMI eNews" with the calendar website link, PLUS a calendar listings on the inside back page of the "GMC Vintage RVing" magazine.These calendars are maintained by reviewing each GMCMH chapter website quarterly, along with emails received from the individual chapters.
Sent from my iPhone
Jeanette,
It seems that many of those that read here are still on limited bandwidth service (as I am when we are traveling). Facebook is a bandwidth hog and can also be described as a used installed virus. It gets into and demands service far above what can be justified for a social network. I would not have any presence there but I discovered that there were a number of unconnected younger owners in the area and so started trying to get them connected. We have been only partly successful. I am not at all sure that it was worth putting up with FB to do that. Bandwidth is the cheapest it has ever been, but it is still not free.
Bdub's Google Calendar is somewhat better, but it still needs to be fed the information. That is where the problem is. There are many chapter events that do not even make it there. But, it is all a wash as I have discovered owners that were not even aware that the community exists. I don't know how to fix that without knocking on doors wherever you see a coach.
Matt
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327810 is a reply to message #327788] |
Fri, 05 January 2018 12:03 |
KB
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This discussion reminds me of the story about the ham: A lady always cut off the ends of the Christmas ham before roasting. Her daughter asked why, and she said "Well, my mother always did it that way". So they asked her mother why, and she said "Your grandma always did it that way". Finally, they asked Grandma who said "I only had a small pan and it wouldn't fit"!
Karen
1975 26'
San Jose, CA
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327813 is a reply to message #327810] |
Fri, 05 January 2018 12:10 |
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ABSOLUTELY PRICELESS~!~!
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s?
This discussion reminds me of the story about the ham: A lady always cut off the ends of the Christmas ham before roasting. Her daughter asked why,
and she said "Well, my mother always did it that way". So they asked her mother why, and she said "Your grandma always did it that way". Finally,
they asked Grandma who said "I only had a small pan and it wouldn't fit"!
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Karen
1975 26'
San Jose, CA
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327815 is a reply to message #327788] |
Fri, 05 January 2018 12:50 |
emerystora
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Hi Karen
The crates that we ship with our equipment has never been a factor in selecting a site. By having our own equipment we have found that we can keep the cost of a convention down considerably — much more than the cost of storage and shipping of our equipment.
The main reason that we haven’t had many California rallies is because of the inability to find campgrounds that had facilities that would fit out needs and at a reasonable cost Many campgrounds want $50-60 per night and that is too high, We don’t want to price our convention at $600 or so for the week as that would probably prevent a lot of people from attending.
Our last convention in California was in Spring 2008 at Santa Clara. I was managing the conventions at that time and I had taken a trip to California the previous year in an effort to find a suitable site. I spent 6 days driving from San Diego to Eureka visiting potential sites and negotiating with campground owners.
Santa Rosa was a fairground that had never had a rally held there before. I worked with them to convenience them to let us use their site and to get a price we could afford. We signed up and then the year after our rally they liked the income source but they doubled the price which put it out of our range.
A big problem is finding a site that can accommodate perhaps 200 motor homes and which has suitable buildings, electricity, water, sewage and showers.
Over the years we have asked people from California (I lived in the San Francisco area for over ten years) to scope out and recommend sites. We have never gotten information on sites that were workable. That is one of the reasons that we put information about site selection on the GMCMI website. I am sure that Kim would welcome input on sites in your area that might work for us. The club would like to have conventions on the west coast as much as you would like them there.
You mention that “distance is a biggie”. Bear in mind that that works both ways. The distance from where I live in the Denver area to San Francisco is about 1300 miles. Many members of our club live in the Midwest. The distance from Cleveland to San Francisco is 2560 miles. So when we have held a rally on the west coast we have had a very diminished attendance from people east of the rockies.
The last convention held in Tuscon in 2003 only had 111 motorhomes and the club lost about $8000. We hope we get more participation from west coast members so that the April one is a success.
I think that it is good that you raise these questions as it will make club members more aware of why the club does things and what some of the difficulties are in site selection.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Jan 4, 2018, at 6:28 PM, KB wrote:
>
> Jim Galbavy wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 15:25
>> If you took offense, that was not my intension.
>>
>> No rallies in your area? Have you recommended a site near you for a rally to any club?
>
>
> I already raised this topic at some length in the past with respect to GMCMI:
> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=313223&rid=1742#msg_313223
>
> I would be thrilled if GMCMI would just come back to any of the sites they went to over 10 years ago. (And I *am* thrilled they'll be in Tuscon).
> Sites are not the issue. Distance is a biggie. And although I can't find the specific posts at the moment, it was mentioned that the huge amount of
> "stuff" GMCMI has to ship is a contributing factor to the lack of western rallies. (Begs the question whether it's all really necessary, but I defer
> to those in charge.)
>
> You seem to be bent on attacking my service to this community with no knowledge of what I have contributed, or suggesting that I'm criticizing Kim
> Weeks or others (I'm categorically NOT).
>
> My point here was a survey of what the "ideal" days for a rally would be for working people since I was recently in on a future rally planning
> discussion.
> At that meeting, there seemed to be no understanding of *why* we would start on a Thursday or Friday, and no consideration given to any alternatives.
>
> Karen
> 1975 26'
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327816 is a reply to message #327815] |
Fri, 05 January 2018 13:08 |
James Hupy
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Emery, please keep in mind that the distance to Shawnee or Branson is a
long way for the West Coast clubs.
Just like Santa Clara or Portland, Oregon is for the Eastern Clubs. No
"perfectly centric" locations exist that works for everyone.
So, Regional rallies start to make some sense here. What if GMCMI had
a spring/summer rally, and assisted GMCES as well as GMCWS with fall
rallies in their respective territories, with vendor assistance, travel
vouchers for technical presenters, etc. Just an idea to kick around. Think
"Dave L", "Ken B" Jim B., as a drawing card for a regional west coast
rally, Or their western counterparts at an Eastern regional rally. Could
this work?
Jim Hupy
On Jan 5, 2018 10:51 AM, "Emery Stora" wrote:
> Hi Karen
>
> The crates that we ship with our equipment has never been a factor in
> selecting a site. By having our own equipment we have found that we can
> keep the cost of a convention down considerably — much more than the cost
> of storage and shipping of our equipment.
> The main reason that we haven’t had many California rallies is because of
> the inability to find campgrounds that had facilities that would fit out
> needs and at a reasonable cost Many campgrounds want $50-60 per night and
> that is too high, We don’t want to price our convention at $600 or so for
> the week as that would probably prevent a lot of people from attending.
>
> Our last convention in California was in Spring 2008 at Santa Clara. I
> was managing the conventions at that time and I had taken a trip to
> California the previous year in an effort to find a suitable site. I spent
> 6 days driving from San Diego to Eureka visiting potential sites and
> negotiating with campground owners.
>
> Santa Rosa was a fairground that had never had a rally held there before.
> I worked with them to convenience them to let us use their site and to get
> a price we could afford. We signed up and then the year after our rally
> they liked the income source but they doubled the price which put it out of
> our range.
> A big problem is finding a site that can accommodate perhaps 200 motor
> homes and which has suitable buildings, electricity, water, sewage and
> showers.
>
> Over the years we have asked people from California (I lived in the San
> Francisco area for over ten years) to scope out and recommend sites. We
> have never gotten information on sites that were workable. That is one of
> the reasons that we put information about site selection on the GMCMI
> website. I am sure that Kim would welcome input on sites in your area that
> might work for us. The club would like to have conventions on the west
> coast as much as you would like them there.
>
> You mention that “distance is a biggie”. Bear in mind that that works
> both ways. The distance from where I live in the Denver area to San
> Francisco is about 1300 miles. Many members of our club live in the
> Midwest. The distance from Cleveland to San Francisco is 2560 miles. So
> when we have held a rally on the west coast we have had a very diminished
> attendance from people east of the rockies.
>
> The last convention held in Tuscon in 2003 only had 111 motorhomes and the
> club lost about $8000. We hope we get more participation from west coast
> members so that the April one is a success.
>
> I think that it is good that you raise these questions as it will make
> club members more aware of why the club does things and what some of the
> difficulties are in site selection.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>> On Jan 4, 2018, at 6:28 PM, KB wrote:
>>
>> Jim Galbavy wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 15:25
>>> If you took offense, that was not my intension.
>>>
>>> No rallies in your area? Have you recommended a site near you for a
> rally to any club?
>>
>>
>> I already raised this topic at some length in the past with respect to
> GMCMI:
>> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=
> 313223&rid=1742#msg_313223
>>
>> I would be thrilled if GMCMI would just come back to any of the sites
> they went to over 10 years ago. (And I *am* thrilled they'll be in Tuscon).
>> Sites are not the issue. Distance is a biggie. And although I can't
> find the specific posts at the moment, it was mentioned that the huge
> amount of
>> "stuff" GMCMI has to ship is a contributing factor to the lack of
> western rallies. (Begs the question whether it's all really necessary,
> but I defer
>> to those in charge.)
>>
>> You seem to be bent on attacking my service to this community with no
> knowledge of what I have contributed, or suggesting that I'm criticizing Kim
>> Weeks or others (I'm categorically NOT).
>>
>> My point here was a survey of what the "ideal" days for a rally would be
> for working people since I was recently in on a future rally planning
>> discussion.
>> At that meeting, there seemed to be no understanding of *why* we would
> start on a Thursday or Friday, and no consideration given to any
> alternatives.
>>
>> Karen
>> 1975 26'
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327818 is a reply to message #327815] |
Fri, 05 January 2018 14:04 |
KB
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California is a very expensive place, and given the tight housing supply, more and more folks are moving into RV parks which squeezes site selection even more.
But, there are 10 other states and 2 provinces in the contiguous Western region to choose from. The equipment issue is a problem for Canada rallies (see http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=18959&goto=143688&rid=1742#msg_143688), but WS has managed at least two 100+ coach rallies with no equipment whatsoever, so it is possible.
I suspect there may also be a "chicken and egg" problem at work. Since GMCMI is out here so seldom, there may be a lot fewer Western region members than there could otherwise be.
But really, we've discussed this at length before, so no need to rehash it here. I'm sure Kim Weeks and the whole GMCMI board has to deal with a lot of logistical nightmares to pull it off, and I'm glad that they do. In any endeavor, there is room for improvement and it's helpful to really re-examine your practices and assumptions once in a while.
Hopefully some of the groups may be able to at least consider making their longer rallies more friendly to working folks.
Karen
Karen
1975 26'
San Jose, CA
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Re: Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327938 is a reply to message #327718] |
Sat, 06 January 2018 20:46 |
Scott Nutter
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Johnny,
Seems to me from what I've come across on state parks is that most are lacking on septic hookups. But to be fare, the state parks I've searched have been near lakes, oceans, rivers, etc... so the water locations might have a pollution/sanitary factor to deal with. But have always been priced affordability.
Karen,
I really like the idea of a Monday to Friday rally. Mostly because everything is open durning the week for fun and adventure, and less semi's on the road on the weekends for travel.
But I'm just a small fish in a very big bowl......
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI
Houston, Texas
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Re: Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327947 is a reply to message #327718] |
Sun, 07 January 2018 08:34 |
jhbridges
Messages: 8412 Registered: May 2011 Location: Braselton ga
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Scott - I've never stayed in a State park which didn't have a dump station. Even Harrison Bay (Tennessee) which also had sewer hookups.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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Re: Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #328043 is a reply to message #327718] |
Mon, 08 January 2018 16:00 |
Scott Nutter
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Yea,
I just don't think that there is a "works good for everyone solution". Like I said earlier, I'm just glad that someone else is coordinating these rally's instead of me! I couldn't handle the frustration..
So as long as people are organizing these rally's, I'll do my part as best as I can and get creative with my schedule to attend at least one a year. And normally it works out.
But once again, what works for one does not work for all.......
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI
Houston, Texas
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