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Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327718] |
Wed, 03 January 2018 18:14 |
KB
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I've heard that various clubs start their ~5 day rallies on a Thursday or Friday in the hopes of getting younger folks (ie, working stiffs) to come to the rally.
Ironically, this makes it much more difficult to get there if you have to plan around limited time off and some distance.
For example, we're about 870 miles away from Tuscon. If we drove 435 miles a day, we'd have to leave Thursday April 5th at the latest, and wouldn't return until late on Friday the 13th at the earliest in order to attend the whole rally.
Not exactly a leisurely pace, and it will use up 7 vacation days.
If the rally ran Monday through Friday or Saturday, we'd have a weekend on either side for actually getting there and back, and
would end up only needing 5 vacation days.
So, what do other folks think? Would having future rallies Monday through Friday be better for working folks?
Karen
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327721 is a reply to message #327718] |
Wed, 03 January 2018 18:52 |
Burt and Faye curtis
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Karen,
Thanks for saying what I have been trying to get across for years - before
I gave up. Having those weekends to travel work a lot better and as you
pointed out, reduce the number of vacation days being used. Another thought
is planning around children's spring break and summer vacations. Little
harder, but might be worth a shot. Teachers have it harder to get time off
during school time.
Thanks again for bringing this point forward.
Fay Curtis
'76 Glenbrook
Kneeland, CA near the edge of nowhere
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 4:14 PM, KB wrote:
> I've heard that various clubs start their ~5 day rallies on a Thursday or
> Friday in the hopes of getting younger folks (ie, working stiffs) to come to
> the rally.
> Ironically, this makes it much more difficult to get there if you have to
> plan around limited time off and some distance.
>
> For example, we're about 870 miles away from Tuscon. If we drove 435
> miles a day, we'd have to leave Thursday April 5th at the latest, and
> wouldn't
> return until late on Friday the 13th at the earliest in order to attend
> the whole rally.
> Not exactly a leisurely pace, and it will use up 7 vacation days.
>
> If the rally ran Monday through Friday or Saturday, we'd have a weekend on
> either side for actually getting there and back, and
> would end up only needing 5 vacation days.
>
> So, what do other folks think? Would having future rallies Monday
> through Friday be better for working folks?
>
> Karen
> 1975 26'
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327722 is a reply to message #327718] |
Wed, 03 January 2018 18:59 |
Emery Stora
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Karen
Having managed the GMCM conventions for several years I can tell you that starting on Thursday was NOT an effort to get younger people to come to the conventions.
Starting on a Thursday usually makes it possible to even reserve a site. That leaves a Fri, Sat and Sunday at the end of our stay available for the campground to rent it out to another group
that wants to have a weekend rally usually starting on a Friday.
Retired people don’t normally care when it starts.
I agree that the travel time is not good for a working person.
That is why I didn’t start going to rallies until I was retired (however it helped that I retired at age 55).
There are other clubs that like to run from Friday to some time after the weekend.
If we had a rally Monday through Friday or Saturday that would take up two long weekends for the campground and many campground owners would not book us because they would loose the income from another
group. However if you can find a campground that would do those dates for us and that would have the other things we need for our convention such as full hookups, perhaps 200 spaces and buildings for our meals and seminars I am sure that Kim Weeks would be glad to work with you to change dates to accommodate you but it is not an easy task to find campgrounds that will meet our needs and which will be that flexible on dates.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Jan 3, 2018, at 5:14 PM, KB wrote:
>
> I've heard that various clubs start their ~5 day rallies on a Thursday or Friday in the hopes of getting younger folks (ie, working stiffs) to come to
> the rally.
> Ironically, this makes it much more difficult to get there if you have to plan around limited time off and some distance.
>
> For example, we're about 870 miles away from Tuscon. If we drove 435 miles a day, we'd have to leave Thursday April 5th at the latest, and wouldn't
> return until late on Friday the 13th at the earliest in order to attend the whole rally.
> Not exactly a leisurely pace, and it will use up 7 vacation days.
>
> If the rally ran Monday through Friday or Saturday, we'd have a weekend on either side for actually getting there and back, and
> would end up only needing 5 vacation days.
>
> So, what do other folks think? Would having future rallies Monday through Friday be better for working folks?
>
> Karen
> 1975 26'
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327723 is a reply to message #327721] |
Wed, 03 January 2018 19:23 |
Carl S.
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Good points Karen. If I remember correctly, GMCMI conventions are normally seven day events and used to run from Saturday to the following Friday. I have been to two of them (Pueblo at almost 800 miles from home, and Shawnee, almost 1000 miles). Each required me to take an extra day or two off. I usually don't have a problem with this as I am self employed, but it takes a little extra planning for my wife.
I believe the reason for the schedule shift was to accommodate working people who want to attend the weekend portion of the event. I don't know how successful that effort was, but maybe it could be revisited if necessary. We have let our Western States membership lapse for the very reason you have cited. We just haven't been able to attend their rallies at their scheduled locations and times.
The alternative, of course, is to attend as much as the rally as your work schedule allows. Not the ideal solution, but better than missing the whole thing. I think there are ways to do that without having to pay the entire rally fee.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327726 is a reply to message #327723] |
Wed, 03 January 2018 19:47 |
Emery Stora
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Carl
If you read the reply that I sent to Karen you can see that the reason for starting on a
Thursday (what you call a schedule shift) was not to accommodate working people who want to attend the weekend portion.
If was done to allow us to basically find sites that would accommodate us. Over the years as camping became more popular it is getting harder to find sites that meet our requirements.
We like to stay in sites that have many amenities such as full hookups, meeting rooms, etc. It has gotten a little easier as our fall conventions used to be attended by about 250 GMCs.
Now it is more like 150-200. On the GMCMI site there is a Site Selection Form that you can download and submit potential sites to our Convention Manager (Kim Weeks). This form is at http://www.gmcmi.com/site-selection-form/
If you read the form you will see how difficult it is to find sites that really can meet our needs.
If your or Karen or others can find a site that will meet our needs as outlined on the Site Selection form and that will also allow us to book a Monday to Saturday convention I am sure that Kim would be more than willing to make that change.
We are always looking for suggestions on sites that we should use. Unfortunately we get very little help from the members in suggesting sites that meet our needs. It is a difficult task that takes a lot of Kim’s time.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Jan 3, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
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> Good points Karen. If I remember correctly, GMCMI conventions are normally seven day events and used to run from Saturday to the following Friday. I
> have been to two of them (Pueblo at almost 800 miles from home, and Shawnee, almost 1000 miles). Each required me to take an extra day or two off. I
> usually don't have a problem with this as I am self employed, but it takes a little extra planning for my wife.
>
> I believe the reason for the schedule shift was to accommodate working people who want to attend the weekend portion of the event. I don't know how
> successful that effort was, but maybe it could be revisited if necessary. We have let our Western States membership lapse for the very reason you
> have cited. We just haven't been able to attend their rallies at their scheduled locations and times.
>
> The alternative, of course, is to attend as much as the rally as your work schedule allows. Not the ideal solution, but better than missing the whole
> thing. I think there are ways to do that without having to pay the entire rally fee.
> --
> Carl Stouffer
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles,
> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327732 is a reply to message #327726] |
Wed, 03 January 2018 21:54 |
Carl S.
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Emery,
That absolutely makes sense. I had thought I'd read somewhere the change was for the reasons I stated. I understand the logistical problems of scheduling an event of this size must be extremely difficult. As a working couple, I really appreciate what people like you and Kim do to make these things happen, and wish I had more time to help.
I am also very happy to live in the town where the next GMCMI will be held. In a few years, when we are retired, the location will not be nearly as much of an issue to us and we can hopefully attend more of these events.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327733 is a reply to message #327732] |
Wed, 03 January 2018 22:42 |
jimk
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Having sat on the Board for many years, I can attest others that the Board
and the officers are always seeking ways to try to make it more convienent
for ALL the members to attend.
It is always refreshing to receive feedback and weigh how we can do better.
Should people do not care about paying more for the convention, lot of
things can be done, but when it comes down to cost, that does create an
issue.
People like Fred Hudspeth and Emery Stora bring depth to our organization
as I have been there to see first handed their contribution.
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 7:54 PM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
> Emery,
>
> That absolutely makes sense. I had thought I'd read somewhere the change
> was for the reasons I stated. I understand the logistical problems of
> scheduling an event of this size must be extremely difficult. As a
> working couple, I really appreciate what people like you and Kim do to make
> these
> things happen, and wish I had more time to help.
>
> I am also very happy to live in the town where the next GMCMI will be
> held. In a few years, when we are retired, the location will not be nearly
> as
> much of an issue to us and we can hopefully attend more of these events.
> --
> Carl Stouffer
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive,
> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
> Eagles,
> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327735 is a reply to message #327733] |
Thu, 04 January 2018 05:35 |
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Jim,
I agree 100%!
Now all the Board needs to do is figure out how to shrink the USA to make it easier for people from all the regions to attend the
conventions!
;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s?
Having sat on the Board for many years, I can attest others that the Board and the officers are always seeking ways to try to make
it more convienent for ALL the members to attend. It is always refreshing to receive feedback and weigh how we can do better. Should
people do not care about paying more for the convention, lot of things can be done, but when it comes down to cost, that does create
an issue. People like Fred Hudspeth and Emery Stora bring depth to our organization as I have been there to see first handed their
contribution.
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
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Re: Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327745 is a reply to message #327718] |
Thu, 04 January 2018 09:48 |
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Matt Colie
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No, I do not have any fast and easy answer.
After years of scheduling meetings, events, regattas, gams, rendezvous, trail rides, and RV rallies, I can very faithfully promise you that there is no easy answer.
There is actually a chapter that we started out as members of but had to drop until we were both finally retired because the rally schedule prohibited working owner from making it to most.
This is also why the South East Michigan and Northern Ohio (SEMNO) GMC Owners Network luncheons are on a Saturday. Others can be other days, but I was and am working to get the younger (and hopefully employed) owners to come and join us. We have had moderate success.
When we attended our first international, it was actually a joint rally and the local headed up the first days. This was difficult for us to attend. We also drove 1108 miles in one day (meaning a 24 hour period) to get to our first spring rally. That made us decide to not do that again until we were both retired.
I have to commend Kim for what she does, but we are going to miss this spring even if my engine is done because we are expecting a granddaughter to arrive about then and someone wants to be nearby when that happens.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327746 is a reply to message #327745] |
Thu, 04 January 2018 10:37 |
Jeanette
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Here's the scoop on rally dates. There are many places to see the GMCMH Community Calendar:
GMCMI maintains a google calendar on the website at http://www.gmcmi.com/gmc-calendar/, pins the current month on each of the face book pages (https://www.facebook.com/groups/vintagegmcmotorhomes/ and https://www.facebook.com/GMCMI/) with a link to the website calendar, a list of the two upcoming months are in the monthly "GMCMI eNews" with the calendar website link, PLUS a calendar listings on the inside back page of the "GMC Vintage RVing" magazine.These calendars are maintained by reviewing each GMCMH chapter website quarterly, along with emails received from the individual chapters.
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> On Jan 4, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Matt Colie wrote:
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> No, I do not have any fast and easy answer.
>
> After years of scheduling meetings, events, regattas, gams, rendezvous, trail rides, and RV rallies, I can very faithfully promise you that there is
> no easy answer.
>
> There is actually a chapter that we started out as members of but had to drop until we were both finally retired because the rally schedule prohibited
> working owner from making it to most.
>
> This is also why the South East Michigan and Northern Ohio (SEMNO) GMC Owners Network luncheons are on a Saturday. Others can be other days, but I
> was and am working to get the younger (and hopefully employed) owners to come and join us. We have had moderate success.
>
> When we attended our first international, it was actually a joint rally and the local headed up the first days. This was difficult for us to attend.
> We also drove 1108 miles in one day (meaning a 24 hour period) to get to our first spring rally. That made us decide to not do that again until we
> were both retired.
>
> I have to commend Kim for what she does, but we are going to miss this spring even if my engine is done because we are expecting a granddaughter to
> arrive about then and someone wants to be nearby when that happens.
>
> Matt
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> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Re: Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327750 is a reply to message #327718] |
Thu, 04 January 2018 11:08 |
Scott Nutter
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Thanks to ALL who put in the time and effort to coordinate these rally's.
What a logistical nightmare it must be. A job I would not want.......
Keep up the good work!
This working dummy does not mind burning a few days of sick leave to attend....that's my solution.
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI
Houston, Texas
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327755 is a reply to message #327746] |
Thu, 04 January 2018 11:11 |
Mike Kelley
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To Jaye H.:
Thanks Jaye - good info!
Mike/The Corvair a holic
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> On Jan 4, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Jeanette Hodges wrote:
>
> Here's the scoop on rally dates. There are many places to see the GMCMH Community Calendar:
>
> GMCMI maintains a google calendar on the website at http://www.gmcmi.com/gmc-calendar/, pins the current month on each of the face book pages (https://www.facebook.com/groups/vintagegmcmotorhomes/ and https://www.facebook.com/GMCMI/) with a link to the website calendar, a list of the two upcoming months are in the monthly "GMCMI eNews" with the calendar website link, PLUS a calendar listings on the inside back page of the "GMC Vintage RVing" magazine.These calendars are maintained by reviewing each GMCMH chapter website quarterly, along with emails received from the individual chapters.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 4, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Matt Colie wrote:
>>
>> No, I do not have any fast and easy answer.
>>
>> After years of scheduling meetings, events, regattas, gams, rendezvous, trail rides, and RV rallies, I can very faithfully promise you that there is
>> no easy answer.
>>
>> There is actually a chapter that we started out as members of but had to drop until we were both finally retired because the rally schedule prohibited
>> working owner from making it to most.
>>
>> This is also why the South East Michigan and Northern Ohio (SEMNO) GMC Owners Network luncheons are on a Saturday. Others can be other days, but I
>> was and am working to get the younger (and hopefully employed) owners to come and join us. We have had moderate success.
>>
>> When we attended our first international, it was actually a joint rally and the local headed up the first days. This was difficult for us to attend.
>> We also drove 1108 miles in one day (meaning a 24 hour period) to get to our first spring rally. That made us decide to not do that again until we
>> were both retired.
>>
>> I have to commend Kim for what she does, but we are going to miss this spring even if my engine is done because we are expecting a granddaughter to
>> arrive about then and someone wants to be nearby when that happens.
>>
>> Matt
>> --
>> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
>> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
>> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
>> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #327781 is a reply to message #327723] |
Thu, 04 January 2018 16:50 |
Emery Stora
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It just occurred to me that some of you might not be aware of and one thing that has not been mentioned here is that when GMCMI uses a convention site we tie it up for a lot more than the 6 days of our convention.
For example the Tuscon convention will be held from Friday Apr. 6 to Thursday April 12. However members always want to come in early so we allow them to come in on Thursday April 5 even though we might still be setting up things..
In addition we have to unpack our crates and do a lot of work to get things ready for our arriving GMCers. So a crew of about 8 members come in on the Sun or Mon before to set things up. That ties the buildings up for an extra 3 or 4 days.
We also have to pack everything up after the convention so that takes another day. So we are using the main building from say Monday to the second Friday for a total of 12 days.
Now, how much harder does that make it to find campgrounds willing to tie up their facilities for that long? That also makes it even harder to start a rally on a Monday as some would like as we would be using the prior weekend to set up which would mean the campground would loose two weekends of their season for our 6 day convention.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick
> On Jan 3, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
>
> Good points Karen. If I remember correctly, GMCMI conventions are normally seven day events and used to run from Saturday to the following Friday. I
> have been to two of them (Pueblo at almost 800 miles from home, and Shawnee, almost 1000 miles). Each required me to take an extra day or two off. I
> usually don't have a problem with this as I am self employed, but it takes a little extra planning for my wife.
>
> I believe the reason for the schedule shift was to accommodate working people who want to attend the weekend portion of the event. I don't know how
> successful that effort was, but maybe it could be revisited if necessary. We have let our Western States membership lapse for the very reason you
> have cited. We just haven't been able to attend their rallies at their scheduled locations and times.
>
> The alternative, of course, is to attend as much as the rally as your work schedule allows. Not the ideal solution, but better than missing the whole
> thing. I think there are ways to do that without having to pay the entire rally fee.
> --
> Carl Stouffer
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles,
> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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