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Sat, 16 December 2017 22:20 |
NextGenGMC
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Hello Everyone,
I'm a new member here on the forum, looking for some information. I'm a relatively recent owner of a beautiful 26' 1976 GMC Glenbrook. It is still pretty new to us and we are in the process of learning all its little quirks and peculiarities.
The coach has a 455 Olds and transmission with the PowerDrive unit. When I first learned about the PowerDrive, I thought it was a modification of some planetary gears in the transmission to modify output ratio and thus reduce stress on the internal transmission components. However, reading more about the TH425 transmission, I discovered that the PowerDrive is the modification to the chain drive part of the tranny (the power that goes TO the planetary gears). As I see it, the PD makes the engine rotate more revolutions in order to make the same number of revolution on the shaft going to the planetary gears. What is the exact benefit of this? Having PD and the 3.21 final drive ratio makes the engine run at much higher RMPs than I'm comfortable with - 2,700 RPM at 60MPH. Seems pretty excessive for the giant engine like 455. All my other cars (granted they are all newer) run at slightly above 1,500-1,700 RPM at the same speed.
When I try to visualize the power transfer in the transmission, it seems that the amount of torque transmitted through the internal components is actually higher with the Power drive than without PD. This is because engine makes more revolutions per same distance of travel (per same number of rotations in the transmission). To me that means that internal components (after the chain drive) will receive higher level of stress. Am I wrong about this? Was PD developed for the 403 engines? To help them with transmitting more power to the ground? Is this setup really beneficial on the coaches with 455? From reading info on various forums, nearly everyone recommends to have PD if you are towing a toad (which we do).
I would really appreciate your input and advice on this topic. Looking forward to learning form the combined wisdom of all. Please educate me
Vadim Jitkov
'76 Glenbrook 26'
Pullman, WA
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Re: Power Drive [message #327192 is a reply to message #327191] |
Sat, 16 December 2017 22:52 |
bwevers
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Sounds like you have a good set-up.
Most people prefer final drive ratios between 3.50 and 3.70.
The power drive is equivalent to having 3.50.
The 3.21 will bump it up to 3.66 equivalent.
With the 3.07 gears, the carburetor power enrichment circuit
kicks in a lot because of the low manifold vacuum.
Bill Wevers GMC49ers, GMC Western States
1975 Glenbrook - Manny Powerdrive, OneTon
455 F Block, G heads
San Jose
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Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive [message #327193 is a reply to message #327192] |
Sat, 16 December 2017 23:26 |
James Hupy
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The TM 425 was originally designed to move a 4000 pound car. We are asking
it to move a 12,000 pound motor home. The same old formula, F x D = Torque
applies in both situations. The motor home is at a three to one
disadvantage weight wise to the cars. Thus, the power drive and different
gearing in the final drives. Manny T sells the power drive and builds
transmissions too. Good guy, knows his stuff. Good friend to the whole GMC
community. The power drive is hell for strong, like the rest of the TM-425.
I wouldn't worry about it.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Dec 16, 2017 8:53 PM, "Bill Wevers" wrote:
> Sounds like you have a good set-up.
> Most people prefer final drive ratios between 3.50 and 3.70.
> The power drive is equivalent to having 3.50.
> The 3.21 will bump it up to 3.66 equivalent.
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> With the 3.07 gears, the carburetor power enrichment circuit
> kicks in a lot because of the low manifold vacuum.
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> 1975 Glenbrook - Manny Powerdrive, OneTon
> 455 F Block, G heads
> San Jose
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Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive [message #327194 is a reply to message #327193] |
Sun, 17 December 2017 00:05 |
jimk
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On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 9:27 PM James Hupy wrote:
> The TM 425 was originally designed to move a 4000 pound car. We are asking
> it to move a 12,000 pound motor home. The same old formula, F x D = Torque
> applies in both situations. The motor home is at a three to one
> disadvantage weight wise to the cars. Thus, the power drive and different
> gearing in the final drives. Manny T sells the power drive and builds
> transmissions too. Good guy, knows his stuff. Good friend to the whole GMC
> community. The power drive is hell for strong, like the rest of the TM-425.
> I wouldn't worry about it.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>
> On Dec 16, 2017 8:53 PM, "Bill Wevers" wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you have a good set-up.
>> Most people prefer final drive ratios between 3.50 and 3.70.
>> The power drive is equivalent to having 3.50.
>> The 3.21 will bump it up to 3.66 equivalent.
>>
>> With the 3.07 gears, the carburetor power enrichment circuit
>> kicks in a lot because of the low manifold vacuum.
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>> Bill Wevers GMC49ers, GMC Western States
>> 1975 Glenbrook - Manny Powerdrive, OneTon
>> 455 F Block, G heads
>> San Jose
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>> why don't you go back to 3.07 then tell me your experience.
some have done that but too proud to admit the mistake.
All the RV units that use chassis from suppliers run 4.11 /4.55 using the
same wheel and tire.GM , Ford and Chrysler know more than us
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Re: Power Drive [message #327195 is a reply to message #327192] |
Sun, 17 December 2017 00:55 |
NextGenGMC
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bwevers wrote on Sat, 16 December 2017 20:52Sounds like you have a good set-up.
Most people prefer final drive ratios between 3.50 and 3.70.
The power drive is equivalent to having 3.50.
The 3.21 will bump it up to 3.66 equivalent.
With the 3.07 gears, the carburetor power enrichment circuit
kicks in a lot because of the low manifold vacuum.
I must admit that carburetors are a mystery to me... I feel much easier with computers and fuel injection (conversion project is going to happen some day). Would it be beneficial to change a final drive ratio to bring it closer to a 3.55 combined number?
Vadim Jitkov
'76 Glenbrook 26'
Pullman, WA
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Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive [message #327196 is a reply to message #327194] |
Sun, 17 December 2017 01:02 |
NextGenGMC
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[quote
some have done that but too proud to admit the mistake.
All the RV units that use chassis from suppliers run 4.11 /4.55 using the
same wheel and tire.GM , Ford and Chrysler know more than us
[/quote]
Are you referring to making a mistake of lowering final drive ratio on the GMC?
As far as box RVs - yes, they run a much higher final drive ratios, but that it because output shaft on transmission comes out at a very different speed from what we have going on in our GMCs
Vadim Jitkov
'76 Glenbrook 26'
Pullman, WA
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Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive [message #327199 is a reply to message #327196] |
Sun, 17 December 2017 03:29 |
johnd01
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[quote title=NextGenGMC wrote on Sun, 17 December 2017 01:02][quote
some have done that but too proud to admit the mistake.
All the RV units that use chassis from suppliers run 4.11 /4.55 using the
same wheel and tire.GM, Ford, and Chrysler know more than us
[/quote]
Are you referring to making a mistake of lowering final drive ratio on the GMC?
As far as box RVs - yes, they run a much higher final drive ratios, but that it because output shaft on transmission comes out at a very different speed from what we have going on in our GMCs[/quote]
Are you saying that both transmissions do not have a 1 to 1 ratio in high gear?
Johnd01
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Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive [message #327204 is a reply to message #327191] |
Sun, 17 December 2017 09:52 |
Ken Henderson
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Vadim,
After having a GMC for 19 years, variously equipped with standard, Power
Drive, and higher ratio final drives; and having talked to and listened
here to literally hundreds of other GMCers, including every expert in the
community, I have an opinion. That opinion is that the Power Drive+3.21 is
as close to the ideal drive train as one can get for the GMC. Yes, the
Power Drive DOES increase the torque load on the TH-425, which can easily
withstand the increase; I'd have no qualms about using it with my Cad500.
Keep it as it is unless you just want to experiment with others -- but
don't let go of the pieces, 'cause you'll probably want to go back.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, Troy-Bilt APU, etc., etc., etc.
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On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Vadim Jitkov
wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> I'm a new member here on the forum, looking for some information. I'm a
> relatively recent owner of a beautiful 26' 1976 GMC Glenbrook. It is still
> pretty new to us and we are in the process of learning all its little
> quirks and peculiarities.
>
> The coach has a 455 Olds and transmission with the PowerDrive unit. When I
> first learned about the PowerDrive, I thought it was a modification of some
> ...
>
>
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Re: Power Drive [message #327205 is a reply to message #327191] |
Sun, 17 December 2017 10:02 |
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Matt Colie
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NGG,
Welcome to the group, family, cult, asylum....
Education of new owners is something we make a serious issue of here. All of us here have been witness to enough mistakes to make for a massive experience base.
You are largely correct about the powerdrive being a less than optimum solution, and if the TH425 were a weaker beast, it would be. It was a much better solution than GM came up with 3 years too late. The stock 3.07 was chosen because it was all that GM had. It was actually for the towing package for the Oldsmobile Toronado. It is not that bad if you have a light 23' and cruise at 70+. That was the plan in 1973 and that died fast with the first Arab Oil Embargo (that really made only political complications) and the 55MPH national speed limit. The fact is that the only torque that can be transmitted through the transmission is what it takes to accelerate and move the vehicle. So, the powerdrive cannot vastly effect that transmitted torque.
How tough is a TH425? Lots of owners have put Cadillac 500s on them and have no more trouble than the rest of us. Then there is Jim Kanomata (Applied GMC => put them in your speed dial) that has a twin turbo 540 and the only thing that he does not break all the time is the transmission. So, don't sweat that one.
GMs recommended solution was the 3.41. That is just enough to keep the carburetor out of power enrichment is most cases. But for my money (I am only a couple of kinds of engineer and worked in as with automotive for decades) the 3.55 is a better choice. I know you are looking at 2700 at 60, but do not try to relate this to a modern much lighter vehicle. That is just wrong in so many ways. Our coach with a 3.07 is running a 19~2100 at ~60MPH, and the intake depression (vacuum) is disturbingly low and this is with a 9600# coach.
So, for the near term, leave it alone. Learn to drive and maintain her and enjoy what she brings you. If you are going to make the change to EFI, you are in the right place. There are many here with very successful installations. This forum can be searched and so can both GMCMI and GMCWS for more information. When you have learned enough to frame a question, come back here for the right answer. We have people writing here with literally millions of miles and many decades of experience. Me? Yeah, I'm a ship's engineer by training and other things, but I have only had a GMC for 12 years and 70K, that makes me young in this group. Yes, I write long answers, but they are simply because most serious questions cannot be covered with a simple answer. I don't mind as I am trying real hard to pass along what many very patient people have taken the time to teach me.
There are other GMC Motorhome places on the web. There are multiple on FaceBook, but technical answers there should be checked as I have seen several occasions of wrong and dangerous answers. That does not mean stay away. It a great social forum. There is also a group at RVillage.com. I know, I started it and so far it has little value.
Before too long, do us all a favor. You are running the forum, so, go to <Control Panel/Account Settings> and scroll down to the place that you can fill in a sigfile. Please put in a real name (so when other GMCers meet you, they will know who you are), Short about the coach (you did say 76 Glenbrook in the first, but some E-mail readers only see one post at a time) and a geographic reference (the header the e-mail readers never see does say Washington) but try to be a little specific and I will tell you why later. This will be a help to both you and us, and again there is a reason. Remember to scroll down to <Update> when you are done.
You bought a coach and found your way here, that is good, but what you may not realize is that the coach is more than just a new big toy because it connects you to this community. You are now part of a community like very few others. It is filled with helping and supportive people that really do want you to enjoy both the coach and what she can bring to you. To this end, they can do just amazing things. If you hang around here, you will get to read some incredible but very real stories. The only other community like this that I know of is that of the watermen that are my world. For that reason, I have taken to welcoming new owners here much as any new owner or vessel would be welcomed there. So,
May the Good Lord bless this coach and all those that set forth within her.
Welcome Vadim
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive [message #327233 is a reply to message #327229] |
Sun, 17 December 2017 20:56 |
Ken Henderson
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Or, if you HAVE to get on a freeway, and it makes you more comfortable,
stay with the traffic. The GMC should still be comfortable at 75-80. :-}
Just what I do -- but, then, there are some who advise against caravaning
with me. :-{
Ken H.
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Vadim Jitkov
wrote:
> Thank you everyone for the warm welcome and for your replies. This is
> exactly the information I was looking for. I'm just trying to better
> understand
> the purpose of some of the modifications that are on this unit. That way i
> will know better what its doing and why when we are on the road...
> The answer I hear from the members - leave it as is, slow down to 55
> (maybe 60) MPH, chill out and enjoy the scenery :) I plan on doing exactly
> that.
>
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> '76 Glenbrook 26'
> Pullman, WA
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Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive [message #327239 is a reply to message #327233] |
Sun, 17 December 2017 22:24 |
Richard Denney
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Only the Redhead, when punching a hole through Atlanta traffic at 70 mph on
a congested freeway, but I actually think it was Manny the Maniac that was
driving your coach.
Rick "who needed that big margarita after that one" Denney
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 9:57 PM Ken Henderson
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> Or, if you HAVE to get on a freeway, and it makes you more comfortable,
> stay with the traffic. The GMC should still be comfortable at 75-80. :-}
>
> Just what I do -- but, then, there are some who advise against caravaning
> with me. :-{
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> Ken H.
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Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive [message #327240 is a reply to message #327239] |
Sun, 17 December 2017 23:14 |
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Ken
I've followed Kerry Tandy through El Paso in the outside lane at 4:30 doing
75 + ...Clearly a student of your driving school !
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On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Richard Denney wrote:
> Only the Redhead, when punching a hole through Atlanta traffic at 70 mph on
> a congested freeway, but I actually think it was Manny the Maniac that was
> driving your coach.
>
> Rick "who needed that big margarita after that one" Denney
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 9:57 PM Ken Henderson
> wrote:
>
>> Or, if you HAVE to get on a freeway, and it makes you more comfortable,
>> stay with the traffic. The GMC should still be comfortable at 75-80.
> :-}
>>
>> Just what I do -- but, then, there are some who advise against
> caravaning
>> with me. :-{
>>
>> Ken H.
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Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive [message #327241 is a reply to message #327240] |
Sun, 17 December 2017 23:22 |
James Hupy
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Jim K. has that 540 cubic inch dual turbocharged, intercooled, for a
purpose, and he only drives 55 on his way to 80. I have followed him a
couple of times to and from rallies. You need to be on your "A" game to
keep him in view. The 403 is really happy above 3000 rpms. Don't ask me how
I know.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Dec 17, 2017 9:15 PM, "Kingsley Coach" wrote:
> Ken
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> I've followed Kerry Tandy through El Paso in the outside lane at 4:30 doing
> 75 + ...Clearly a student of your driving school !
>
> Mike in Las Cruces
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> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Richard Denney
> wrote:
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>> Only the Redhead, when punching a hole through Atlanta traffic at 70 mph
> on
>> a congested freeway, but I actually think it was Manny the Maniac that
> was
>> driving your coach.
>>
>> Rick "who needed that big margarita after that one" Denney
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 9:57 PM Ken Henderson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Or, if you HAVE to get on a freeway, and it makes you more comfortable,
>>> stay with the traffic. The GMC should still be comfortable at 75-80.
>> :-}
>>>
>>> Just what I do -- but, then, there are some who advise against
>> caravaning
>>> with me. :-{
>>>
>>> Ken H.
>>
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>> 73 x-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
>> Off-list email to rick at rickdenney dot com
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Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive [message #327242 is a reply to message #327240] |
Sun, 17 December 2017 23:19 |
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Vadim
When you get a chance, could you connect with John Shotwell and record your
TZE number so we know where these machines are living :)
And there is also the Black List for you to get on...help for the GMC owner
when on the road. If you need more info on finding these, let us know.
Thanks for the sig addition to your posting....
Mike in NM
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Kingsley Coach
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> Ken
>
> I've followed Kerry Tandy through El Paso in the outside lane at 4:30
> doing 75 + ...Clearly a student of your driving school !
>
> Mike in Las Cruces
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> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Richard Denney
> wrote:
>
>> Only the Redhead, when punching a hole through Atlanta traffic at 70 mph
>> on
>> a congested freeway, but I actually think it was Manny the Maniac that was
>> driving your coach.
>>
>> Rick "who needed that big margarita after that one" Denney
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 9:57 PM Ken Henderson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Or, if you HAVE to get on a freeway, and it makes you more comfortable,
>>> stay with the traffic. The GMC should still be comfortable at 75-80.
>> :-}
>>>
>>> Just what I do -- but, then, there are some who advise against
>> caravaning
>>> with me. :-{
>>>
>>> Ken H.
>>
>> --
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>> 73 x-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
>> Off-list email to rick at rickdenney dot com
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> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
> Antigonish, NS
>
> Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive [message #327243 is a reply to message #327229] |
Sun, 17 December 2017 23:30 |
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Vadim,
Double Trouble has a 3.21 to 1 planetary gear final drive. They were OEM equipment in the 1966 & 67 Olds Toronado; GMC "folklore"
notes that they are "bulletproof."
Based on what I've read on the GMC net and my personal experience it's not high speed that will alter the life of a TH425
negatively; it is constantly putting a heavy load on them when you accelerate from a stop.
I do my best to accelerate slowly from a stop up to the speed limit.
I drive whatever the speed limit is; be it 55, 60, 65, 70, or 75.
As noted the Toronado weighed around 4000 lb and the GMC weighs THREE times that much. Once you have the mass in motion the stress
on the transmission drops. Of course it takes more power to move the GMC down the road because of the weight AND the drag.
IIRC I've noted that the RPM's of the 455 with the 3.21 to 1 final drive runs around 2400 at 65 and it loves it! It will cruise at
that rpm range all day long without a hiccup.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
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To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive
Thank you everyone for the warm welcome and for your replies. This is exactly the information I was looking for. I'm just trying to
better understand the purpose of some of the modifications that are on this unit. That way i will know better what its doing and why
when we are on the road...
The answer I hear from the members - leave it as is, slow down to 55 (maybe 60) MPH, chill out and enjoy the scenery :) I plan on
doing exactly that.
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Vadim Jitkov
'76 Glenbrook 26'
Pullman, WA
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive [message #327257 is a reply to message #327242] |
Mon, 18 December 2017 12:01 |
NextGenGMC
Messages: 146 Registered: December 2017 Location: Washington State
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Already done so for both list
The support network I've seen while researching the GMCs as well as the knowledge sharing among the owners was one of the factors that lessened my anxiety over purchasing a 40+ year old coach.
Kingsley Coach wrote on Sun, 17 December 2017 21:19Vadim
When you get a chance, could you connect with John Shotwell and record your
TZE number so we know where these machines are living
And there is also the Black List for you to get on...help for the GMC owner
when on the road. If you need more info on finding these, let us know.
Thanks for the sig addition to your posting....
Mike in NM
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Kingsley Coach
wrote:
> Ken
>
> I've followed Kerry Tandy through El Paso in the outside lane at 4:30
> doing 75 + ...Clearly a student of your driving school !
>
> Mike in Las Cruces
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> Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
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> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Richard Denney
> wrote:
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>> Only the Redhead, when punching a hole through Atlanta traffic at 70 mph
>> on
>> a congested freeway, but I actually think it was Manny the Maniac that was
>> driving your coach.
>>
>> Rick "who needed that big margarita after that one" Denney
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 9:57 PM Ken Henderson
>> wrote:
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>>> Or, if you HAVE to get on a freeway, and it makes you more comfortable,
>>> stay with the traffic. The GMC should still be comfortable at 75-80.
>> :-}
>>>
>>> Just what I do -- but, then, there are some who advise against
>> caravaning
>>> with me. :-{
>>>
>>> Ken H.
>>
>> --
>> Rick Denney
>> 73 x-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
>> Off-list email to rick at rickdenney dot com
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> --
> Michael Beaton
> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
> Antigonish, NS
>
> Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
>
>
>
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Michael Beaton
1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS
Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
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Vadim Jitkov
'76 Glenbrook 26'
Pullman, WA
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Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive [message #327268 is a reply to message #327257] |
Mon, 18 December 2017 15:26 |
Kingsley Coach
Messages: 2691 Registered: March 2009 Location: Nova Scotia Canada
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You're on top of things, young fellow !
Thanks
Mike in NM
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Vadim Jitkov
wrote:
> Already done so for both list :)
> The support network I've seen while researching the GMCs as well as the
> knowledge sharing among the owners was one of the factors that lessened my
> anxiety over purchasing a 40+ year old coach.
>
> Kingsley Coach wrote on Sun, 17 December 2017 21:19
>> Vadim
>>
>> When you get a chance, could you connect with John Shotwell and record
> your
>> TZE number so we know where these machines are living :)
>> And there is also the Black List for you to get on...help for the GMC
> owner
>> when on the road. If you need more info on finding these, let us know.
>> Thanks for the sig addition to your posting....
>>
>> Mike in NM
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Kingsley Coach
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> I've followed Kerry Tandy through El Paso in the outside lane at 4:30
>>> doing 75 + ...Clearly a student of your driving school !
>>>
>>> Mike in Las Cruces
>>>
>>>
>>> Virus-free.
>>> www.avast.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Richard Denney
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Only the Redhead, when punching a hole through Atlanta traffic at 70
> mph
>>>> on
>>>> a congested freeway, but I actually think it was Manny the Maniac
> that was
>>>> driving your coach.
>>>>
>>>> Rick "who needed that big margarita after that one" Denney
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 9:57 PM Ken Henderson
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Or, if you HAVE to get on a freeway, and it makes you more
> comfortable,
>>>> > stay with the traffic. The GMC should still be comfortable at
> 75-80.
>>>> :-}
>>>> >
>>>> > Just what I do -- but, then, there are some who advise against
>>>> caravaning
>>>> > with me. :-{
>>>> >
>>>> > Ken H.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rick Denney
>>>> 73 x-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
>>>> Off-list email to rick at rickdenney dot com
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Beaton
>>> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
>>> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
>>> Antigonish, NS
>>>
>>> Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even
> !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Beaton
>> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
>> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
>> Antigonish, NS
>>
>> Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
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>
> --
> Vadim Jitkov
> '76 Glenbrook 26'
> Pullman, WA
>
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Michael Beaton
1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS
Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
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Re: [GMCnet] Power Drive [message #327269 is a reply to message #327243] |
Mon, 18 December 2017 19:38 |
Carl S.
Messages: 4186 Registered: January 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ.
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Vadim,
I have a 3.70 final drive in my '75 26 footer and I normally drive between 62 and 65 MPH with no problems. Most 3/4 ton pickups of the same era had 4.10 rear end gears and most 1-Ton pickups were equipped with 4.56 gears, with essentially the same size tires as our GMCs.
The main difference between then and now is the overdrive transmissions on the newer cars. Prior to that, trucks, motorhomes, etc ran at higher RPMs than they do now. Of course, we were lucky to get much more than 100,000 miles out of those older vehicles, but that is only one of the reasons the newer ones last longer.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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