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Seal between P30 MC and booster. [message #325779]

Sun, 05 November 2017 10:34

RF_Burns

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So before bleeding the brakes after installing the new caliper, I wanted to check the clearance on the MC push-pin. I loosened the MC move it out of the way. I can see there is water leaking into the nose area between the MC and the booster (rust!). I have a P30 MC with the support bracket between the MC and the booster. There does not appear to be anything to seal water out of this area. Especially with that bracket in between.
Am I missing a seal here? There is a rubber piece in the booster around the push-pin, but it appears to be too far in to mate to the M/C.

Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
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Re: [GMCnet] Seal between P30 MC and booster. [message #325780 is a reply to message #325779]

Sun, 05 November 2017 10:55

emerystora

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David Lenzi has addressed this problem (and vacuum leakage) and has had seminars on it at GMCMI conventions. He has machined parts to give the proper seal. You might want to contact David about your problem.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:35 AM, Bruce Hislop wrote:
>
> So before bleeding the brakes after installing the new caliper, I wanted to check the clearance on the MC push-pin. I loosened the MC move it out of
> the way. I can see there is water leaking into the nose area between the MC and the booster (rust!). I have a P30 MC with the support bracket between
> the MC and the booster. There does not appear to be anything to seal water out of this area. Especially with that bracket in between.
> Am I missing a seal here? There is a rubber piece in the booster around the push-pin, but it appears to be too far in to mate to the M/C.
> --
> Bruce Hislop
> ON Canada
> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
> Hubler 1 ton front end
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
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Re: Seal between P30 MC and booster. [message #325784 is a reply to message #325779]

Sun, 05 November 2017 13:07

RF_Burns

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Emery,
I now recall being at Dave's display at Elkhart where this was being discussed. Unfortunately I believe he said the source for parts has dried up.

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Re: [GMCnet] Seal between P30 MC and booster. [message #325785 is a reply to message #325784]

Sun, 05 November 2017 14:07

emerystora

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The original rubber gasket that had a sleeve that fit over the nose of the master cylinder is no longer made but I had gotten a part that David machined from nylon (or other plastic) that filled the space between the master cylinder and the seal that is currently available.

Don’t depend on your partial memory of the presentation. Contact David for more current information

Emery Stora
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Frederick, CO

> On Nov 5, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Bruce Hislop wrote:
>
> Emery,
> I now recall being at Dave's display at Elkhart where this was being discussed. Unfortunately I believe he said the source for parts has dried up.
>
> --
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> ON Canada
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Re: [GMCnet] Seal between P30 MC and booster. [message #325789 is a reply to message #325785]

Sun, 05 November 2017 20:38

JShot

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Bruce,

I don't know about a P30 setup, but with a regular GM MC, the bracket goes on top of the MC, not between the MC and booster. But you probably knew that...

John

John Shotwell
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Re: [GMCnet] Seal between P30 MC and booster. [message #325792 is a reply to message #325789]

Mon, 06 November 2017 08:50

Bullitthead

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John said:
"I don't know about a P30 setup, but with a regular GM MC, the bracket goes on top of the MC, not between the MC and booster."

Exactly what I was thinking when I read the first post. I don't remember ever seeing any brackets BETWEEN the MC and booster on any vehicles in my life of auto repair.

Terry Kelpien ASE Master Technician 73 Glacier 260 Smithfield, Va.

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Re: [GMCnet] Seal between P30 MC and booster. [message #325793 is a reply to message #325779]

Mon, 06 November 2017 08:54

USAussie

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Bruce,

Here's a photo of the seals that go between the master cylinder and the booster:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6791-brake-info.html

The cup shaped one is the OEM part. I was able to get a couple from Dr. Rebuild:

http://shop.docrebuild.com/1964-1967corvettepbshellfrontsealoriginalgm5464287or5452549.aspx

You have to lie to him to get it because he only sells to people that have Corvettes.

I answered his questions with the following responses:

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

What EXACT address does the credit card bill arrive at in the mail: 2284 GEMINI ST., HOUSTON, TX 77058

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Some c/cards will not authorize if the numbers on the rear is not entered into the c/card terminal. In the USA we will call you if
your card is declined for this #. International emailed. : 123

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are billed at actual rates.: YES

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What year(s) are you ordering for?: 1964

Specify: HP, engine size, trans, AC, color, body style as needed for these parts: 300 HP, 327 CU IN, 4 SPEED, NO AC, BLUE, HARDTOP

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Subject: [GMCnet] Seal between P30 MC and booster.

So before bleeding the brakes after installing the new caliper, I wanted to check the clearance on the MC push-pin. I loosened the
MC move it out of the way. I can see there is water leaking into the nose area between the MC and the booster (rust!). I have a P30
MC with the support bracket between the MC and the booster. There does not appear to be anything to seal water out of this area.
Especially with that bracket in between.
Am I missing a seal here? There is a rubber piece in the booster around the push-pin, but it appears to be too far in to mate to
the M/C.
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Re: [GMCnet] Seal between P30 MC and booster. [message #325805 is a reply to message #325792]

Mon, 06 November 2017 23:33

jimk

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Terry,
There are lot of the p30 master cylinder units that sandwich the bracket as
it is easier to do so and it has not created problems as the amount the
effect on the pin length.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 6:50 AM, Terry wrote:

> John said:
> "I don't know about a P30 setup, but with a regular GM MC, the bracket
> goes on top of the MC, not between the MC and booster."
>
> Exactly what I was thinking when I read the first post. I don't remember
> ever seeing any brackets BETWEEN the MC and booster on any vehicles in my
> life of auto repair.
> --
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>
> ASE Master Technician
>
> 73 Glacier 260
>
> Smithfield, Va.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Seal between P30 MC and booster. [message #325844 is a reply to message #325805]

Tue, 07 November 2017 23:39

Bullitthead

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Well that is good to know, Jim. I actually never had to work on the MC in a P30 truck and I would have thought that it would make a vacuum leak unless the bracket completely encircled the nose of the MC. Ran into the pin length problem on other vehicles before but never even considered using the bracket as a spacer because in all the cases of interference were solved with a another MC or booster that was slightly different, but most of the replacements were still the same part number. When the store delivers your parts, you don't get to compare them beforehand, so sometimes you have to run around the tree again... Very Happy

Terry Kelpien ASE Master Technician 73 Glacier 260 Smithfield, Va.

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Re: Seal between P30 MC and booster. [message #325870 is a reply to message #325779]

Wed, 08 November 2017 21:11

wally

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RF_Burns wrote on Sun, 05 November 2017 10:34

So before bleeding the brakes after installing the new caliper, I wanted to check the clearance on the MC push-pin. I loosened the MC move it out of the way. I can see there is water leaking into the nose area between the MC and the booster (rust!). I have a P30 MC with the support bracket between the MC and the booster. There does not appear to be anything to seal water out of this area. Especially with that bracket in between.
Am I missing a seal here? There is a rubber piece in the booster around the push-pin, but it appears to be too far in to mate to the M/C.

Not sure if all "p-30" masters have a groove like the original did so the original seal may not fit anyway.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6732-booster-seal-and-shim.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6732-booster-seal-and-shim.html

This p-30 did not have a groove for an original style seal
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6798-p-30-master-cylinder-disassembled.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6798-p-30-master-cylinder-disassembled.html

Wally Anderson
Omaha NE
75 Glenbrook

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Re: Seal between P30 MC and booster. [message #325897 is a reply to message #325779]

Thu, 09 November 2017 15:14

RF_Burns

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Wally,
Thanks for the photos and write-up. Both the old and new booster has just a flat seal, no cup.

Not sure how the water stays out without a seal, especially with the bracket in between. I also see why some type of drain is needed in case of a MC leak so that the fluid does not get into the booster.

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