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Thu, 13 July 2017 10:57

jhbridges

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After listening to the coach rumble this morning - warming up for trans fluid fill and dipstick cal - we went up to the lake to walk the dogs and a boat skipping by reminded me of two sounds we hadn't discussed here. Miss Budweiser (U - 12) haulin' ass down Guntersville lake flat out when I was a kid - the days of Allison engines; and the class racer in a Sid Craft hydro with a mercury 60H with megaphones wound all the way up. Now they're civilized, they hiss and purr. They go faster but we've lost something in the transition.

--johnny

Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell

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Thu, 13 July 2017 11:08

Matt Colie

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Johnny Bridges wrote on Thu, 13 July 2017 11:57

After listening to the coach rumble this morning - warming up for trans fluid fill and dipstick cal - we went up to the lake to walk the dogs and a boat skipping by reminded me of two sounds we hadn't discussed here. Miss Budweiser (U - 12) haulin' ass down Guntersville lake flat out when I was a kid - the days of Allison engines; and the class racer in a Sid Craft hydro with a mercury 60H with megaphones wound all the way up. Now they're civilized, they hiss and purr. They go faster but we've lost something in the transition.

--johnny

In Detroit, I believe that the still call it the Thunder Boat Races, but years ago it was proposed that the name be changed to the Whistle Boat Races. Wink

Wink

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Thu, 13 July 2017 11:11

Mike S

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Johnny

Come on down to Florida a little early.

http://www.classicraceboatassoc.com/

We can have you hear those sounds again!

And there is always at least 1 GMC in the parking lot.

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Re: [GMCnet] Sounds like [message #320363 is a reply to message #320359]

Thu, 13 July 2017 12:08

mercdave

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U-12 is up her in Kent Wa.

http://thunderboats.ning.com/page/1967-u12-miss-budweiser

I used to sell (Mercury) parts to a former Miss Bud crew chief Dave Culley.

Dave L.
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1973 super rusty Super Beetle

----- Original Message -----
> After listening to the coach rumble this morning - warming up for trans fluid
> fill and dipstick cal - we went up to the lake to walk the dogs and a
> boat skipping by reminded me of two sounds we hadn't discussed here. Miss
> Budweiser (U - 12) haulin' ass down Guntersville lake flat out when I was a
> kid - the days of Allison engines; and the class racer in a Sid Craft hydro
> with a mercury 60H with megaphones wound all the way up. Now they're
> civilized, they hiss and purr. They go faster but we've lost something in
> the transition.
>
> --johnny
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in
> hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Sounds like [message #320377 is a reply to message #320359]

Thu, 13 July 2017 18:04

USAussie

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Johnny,

I was watching the news the other evening and I think I heard that one of the major car manufacturers is going to be producing
nothing but electric cars by twenty something.

I'm sorry this is kinda half assed but I watch the news after dinner and I wind up checking my eyelids for holes quite often.

;-)

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808

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After listening to the coach rumble this morning - warming up for trans fluid fill and dipstick cal - we went up to the lake to walk
the dogs and a
boat skipping by reminded me of two sounds we hadn't discussed here. Miss Budweiser (U - 12) haulin' ass down Guntersville lake
flat out when I was a
kid - the days of Allison engines; and the class racer in a Sid Craft hydro with a mercury 60H with megaphones wound all the way up.
Now they're
civilized, they hiss and purr. They go faster but we've lost something in the transition.

--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased

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Re: [GMCnet] Sounds like [message #320379 is a reply to message #320377]

Thu, 13 July 2017 18:25

Kosier

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Rob,

That would be Volvo and, I believe, all 2019 and later.

Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio

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From: "Rob Mueller"
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 7:04 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Sounds like

> Johnny,
>
> I was watching the news the other evening and I think I heard that one of
> the major car manufacturers is going to be producing
> nothing but electric cars by twenty something.
>
> I'm sorry this is kinda half assed but I watch the news after dinner and I
> wind up checking my eyelids for holes quite often.
>
> ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Johnny
> Bridges via Gmclist
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 1:58 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Cc: Johnny Bridges
> Subject: [GMCnet] Sounds like
>
> After listening to the coach rumble this morning - warming up for trans
> fluid fill and dipstick cal - we went up to the lake to walk
> the dogs and a
> boat skipping by reminded me of two sounds we hadn't discussed here. Miss
> Budweiser (U - 12) haulin' ass down Guntersville lake
> flat out when I was a
> kid - the days of Allison engines; and the class racer in a Sid Craft
> hydro with a mercury 60H with megaphones wound all the way up.
> Now they're
> civilized, they hiss and purr. They go faster but we've lost something in
> the transition.
>
> --johnny
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Sounds like [message #320382 is a reply to message #320379]

Thu, 13 July 2017 18:40

USAussie

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Gary,

Yep! FIGGERS!

http://www.manmonthly.com.au/news/volvo-turn-car-manufacturing-climate-neutral/

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808

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Rob,

That would be Volvo and, I believe, all 2019 and later.

Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rob Mueller"
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 7:04 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Sounds like

> Johnny,
>
> I was watching the news the other evening and I think I heard that one of
> the major car manufacturers is going to be producing
> nothing but electric cars by twenty something.
>
> I'm sorry this is kinda half assed but I watch the news after dinner and I
> wind up checking my eyelids for holes quite often.
>
> ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>

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Re: Sounds like [message #320386 is a reply to message #320359]

Thu, 13 July 2017 19:27

jhbridges

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Somebody's got to start the demand for infrastructure. Apro pos of which, if the infrastructure were there, hydrogen power is the move. Plenty of it, and it gives off water. Acquire it via electrolysis from solar. Use part of the uninhabited dry West fror the solar arrays.

--johnny

Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell

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Fri, 14 July 2017 11:23

Mike Kelley

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To Johnny:
Solar power array should be on the wall tween U S & Mexico - plenty of sun, won't be in the way of a doggone thing, and would make wall pay for itself - Win Win
IMHO
Mike/The Corvair a holic
76 Eleganza II 26' (Tx. Coach)
78 Birchaven 23' - Selling in Sept.
78 Glenbrook 26' (Project)
76 Glenbrook 28' Stretch (IL. Coach)

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> On Jul 13, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist wrote:
>
> Somebody's got to start the demand for infrastructure. Apro pos of which, if the infrastructure were there, hydrogen power is the move. Plenty of
> it, and it gives off water. Acquire it via electrolysis from solar. Use part of the uninhabited dry West fror the solar arrays.
>
> --johnny
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
>
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Re: Sounds like [message #320416 is a reply to message #320359]

Fri, 14 July 2017 12:22

jhbridges

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Mike, it's a start, but I suspect we need substantially more area than that if it's gonna replace dinosaur fuels. The beauty of it is, the solar cells produce DC at fairly low voltage and fairly high current which is what's needed for electrolysis. And it's true, takes more energy to separate the gasses than you get from combining them, but the separation energy is very cheap relatively speaking. And there's lots.

--johnny

Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell

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Fri, 14 July 2017 19:03

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Johnny Bridges wrote on Thu, 13 July 2017 19:27

Somebody's got to start the demand for infrastructure. Apro pos of which, if the infrastructure were there, hydrogen power is the move. Plenty of it, and it gives off water. Acquire it via electrolysis from solar. Use part of the uninhabited dry West fror the solar arrays.

--johnny

Many years ago I worked with hydrogen in an industrial setting. (Manufactured hydrogen atmospheric furnaces.). Also worked with LARGE generators that used hydrogen as a coolant and atmosphere. Hydrogen is nasty scary stuff. You can't smell it. You can't see it burn. It is very explosive. It must be stored at very high pressures.

If hydrogen fueled vehicles come to pass it will be very interesting to see what happens the first time a tank is punctured in a crash. Even if they make the tanks and fueling systems idiot proof the world will just make better idiots.

At least with gasoline you can smell it and see it burning.

Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI

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Fri, 14 July 2017 20:25

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Future Smart Cars will be all electric in US.
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Sat, 15 July 2017 07:59

jhbridges

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You're gonna need a lot of electricity. You can make it cheaply, but you got to store it somehow. Using it to make a storable fuel seems sensible... you can use the energy when you want rather than just when the sun shines. Interesting article in Discovery on electricity and blackouts. Not reassuring at all.

--johnny

Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell

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Sat, 15 July 2017 10:10

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There won't be a hydrogen powered car in my garage anytime soon. Hydrogen has many drawbacks. It's not plentiful as H2. It tends to stick to oxygen or carbon. To separate from oxygen takes more energy than you recoup so what is the point other than you move the source of real energy consumption? Pulling hydrogen off of carbon, well that doesn't solve the carbon problem, you might as well use oil.
Oh and the real reason to avoid hydrogen; as the smallest molecule it is really good at finding leaks in any container. Add to that a "range of flammability" that has no equal. Hydrogen is flammable in almost any ratio with air (most HC fuels have a fairly narrow range). Pull your leaky hydrogen car into a garage with a water heater, furnace or gas dryer and your house burns down!

Chris Geils - Twin Cities / W Wa 1978 26' Kingsley w/ very few mods; PD9040, aux trans cooler, one repaint in stock colors, R134a, Al rad, Alcoas, 54k mi

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Sat, 15 July 2017 10:35

James Hupy

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The real solution for fuels of the future is thermonuclear. Lob a couple
hundred back and forth between nation/states. That will reduce the demand
for any high tech devices like planes, trains, and automobiles. Won't need
anywhere near the amount of fossil fuels for industry or agriculture. Grim
to think about. Possible? You bet! Probable? Not my guess. Won't be much
need for GMC parts. Once read somewhere. No matter who starts WW 3, WW 4
will be fought with sticks and rocks.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403

On Jul 15, 2017 8:22 AM, "Chris Geils via Gmclist"
wrote:

> There won't be a hydrogen powered car in my garage anytime soon. Hydrogen
> has many drawbacks. It's not plentiful as H2. It tends to stick to oxygen
> or carbon. To separate from oxygen takes more energy than you recoup so
> what is the point other than you move the source of real energy consumption?
> Pulling hydrogen off of carbon, well that doesn't solve the carbon
> problem, you might as well use oil.
> Oh and the real reason to avoid hydrogen; as the smallest molecule it is
> really good at finding leaks in any container. Add to that a "range of
> flammability" that has no equal. Hydrogen is flammable in almost any
> ratio with air (most HC fuels have a fairly narrow range). Pull your leaky
> hydrogen car into a garage with a water heater, furnace or gas dryer and
> your house burns down!
> --
> Chris Geils - Twin Cities
> 1978 26' Kingsley w/ very few mods; Headers, Progressive Dynamics 9040,
> aux trans cooler, one repaint in stock colors, R134a, Al rad, 50k mi
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Sat, 15 July 2017 10:58

jhbridges

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As I noted, takes more energy to separate - but the energy is plentiful and low cost. demonstrably, fuel cells work. The infrastructure ain't cheap, but neither was the fossil infrastructure. If you build it, they will come... because the stuff needed for battery electrics may not be available in sufficient quantity to build the current U.S. auto/truck fleet. Decades? Probably. Happen eventually? Probably.

--johnny

Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell

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Sat, 15 July 2017 11:14

James Hupy

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O.K. Here is one for you. Electric vehicles. Using today's technology. Lead
acid batteries that can be drained of electrolyte. Pull into a electrolyte
changing station much like a gas station of today. Drain out the discharged
electrolyte and replace it with freshly charged stuff. Drive on. If we
think on it, it is possible. Gasoline stations become centralized charging
stations.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> As I noted, takes more energy to separate - but the energy is plentiful
> and low cost. demonstrably, fuel cells work. The infrastructure ain't
> cheap,
> but neither was the fossil infrastructure. If you build it, they will
> come... because the stuff needed for battery electrics may not be available
> in
> sufficient quantity to build the current U.S. auto/truck fleet. Decades?
> Probably. Happen eventually? Probably.
>
> --johnny
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
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Sat, 15 July 2017 11:36

jhbridges

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Regardless what source of energy is finally used, there will be gas stations or their equivalent - unless we drop the number of private vehicles substantially.

--johnny

Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell

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Sat, 15 July 2017 13:54

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Is Volvo, now a days, not a part of a big Chinese multinational .... so they need to sell even more of their batteries ... Confused

Confused

But serious, not only the lithiumbatteries are the way to go, now they start testing more and more the so called Super capacitors, extremely quick to charge, so a "tankstop " would take only 30 seconds, plugging in and out would cost more time, and if they are able to create Super Capacitors with extreme much capacity, it wil open new horizons ... beside of that they are extremely lightweight.

I saw already people starting up their cars with self made 12v Super Capacitors cranking "battery"
Search on youtube for videos.

Daniel

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Sat, 15 July 2017 14:57

Matt Colie

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James Hupy wrote on Sat, 15 July 2017 12:14

O.K. Here is one for you. Electric vehicles. Using today's technology. Lead acid batteries that can be drained of electrolyte. Pull into a electrolyte changing station much like a gas station of today. Drain out the discharged electrolyte and replace it with freshly charged stuff. Drive on. If we think on it, it is possible. Gasoline stations become centralized charging stations.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403

Jim,

Sorry to tell you about this, but your plan has a weak point.

In current lead/acid technology, it is not just the electrolyte that is depleted. The chemical composition of the plates is actually changed. That is the way the technology started in the 19th century and what is amazing is that there have been only minimal real improvements in all this time. The fact that newer batteries have more capacity than the older did is really only improvements in manufacturing processes.

Matt

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