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Sun, 02 April 2017 22:23  |
<diego.hotrod
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Hello All,
My 1973 Canyonlands project is at the cosmetic stage. I’d like to hear opinions regarding wheels. Are vintage vector wheels a possibility? Or should I purchase new Alcoa’s. Has anyone fitted wider rims and tires? Has anyone experimented with custom rims with custom offsets? Anyone tried different tire profiles. I want it to look like the hotrod it is in spirit. What can I say, I’m a car guy. To me it’s more hotrod and less house.
Just finished the audio/video system with 4” 2 way Kickers in the cockpit ceiling, 6x9 Kenwood 3 ways in each seat pedestal, double 10” subs in 3 cu ft box under the dinette, 4x6 2 way Kickers coaxial in the rear. 2,ooo watts total. All driven by 7” in dash dvd, cd, mp3, etc, Bluetooth, nav, 3 cameras. With 2 24” flat screens, blueray player. And a 40 channel CB with PA, come back.
Rod Utterback
1973 Canyonlands 26ft
Escondido, Ca
Done by me: Brakes, flex lines, bearings,PD9260, Dash A/C rebuilt with R134a, KYB’s, all new fresh water system,
Dual Fantasics, Fuel tanks, lines, senders and selector valve, Cork flooring kitchen, Commercial carpet tile rear, flat screens, Leds, upgraded calipers/master, stove delete, convection/micro
455 w/ headers, HEI, kick ass audio/video installed 4/1/17
Coming soon: FItech, electric cooling fans, upgraded radiator and all fluid coolers, wheels/tires, Upgraded sway bars,
body kit (may have to fab one like moho), tinted glass, LED dock lighting, electric awning, Security/keyless system, rebuild the Onan 4000 to propane, then?
ps. Haven’t driven it a mile.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Hotrod GMC Alcoa vs vintage vector wheels, tough choice [message #315380 is a reply to message #315375] |
Mon, 03 April 2017 07:49  |
JohnL455
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For wheels you have to have the correct bolt pattern, center hub size, correct backspacing and correct ( high enough truck grade) load rating. It is not a good idea to vary on the backspacing as this puts very high loads on suspension parts and can change steering axis geometry and create torque steer and bump steer (dangerous). So --very few wheels are available that meet all those specs. As far as electric fans, many have tried this but resuts have been they don't move enough air, draw too many Amps to try to move as much as the clutch fan, and on the highway restrict air flow to radiator. I would read all the stories on that before attempting. You would need a bigger atlernator and that requires a dual belt setup to work when fans kick in. I would like to see pictures of your speaker installs though. Especially the pedestals. Good luck.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Hotrod GMC Alcoa vs vintage vector wheels, tough choice [message #315386 is a reply to message #315380] |
Mon, 03 April 2017 08:34 |
tphipps
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Alcoas or American Eagles. The is lots of weight on those wheels. Rims not designed for truck loads may fail. Some have used Dodge wheels on the front, but they are not hub centered.
Those 'stylish' low profile tires are not load range "D" or "E" rated. They will fail under the weight of the GMC Motorhome.
Perhaps if you completely gutted the coach into a shell..
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
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| Re: [GMCnet] Hotrod GMC Alcoa vs vintage vector wheels, tough choice [message #315401 is a reply to message #315393] |
Mon, 03 April 2017 10:29 |
Joe Weir
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Pics, writeup and diagram of the sound system, or it didn't happen...;^p
Changing the offset on the rear wheels would increase track where you probably dont want it. I have seen a few pics of coaches from back in the day with zero offset wheels on the back, and virtually none today. Makes you wonder if something didn't work out.
The one ton front suspension upgrade uses spacers, so if had the one ton and you were making custom wheels, you could ditch the spacers and go with a different offset. Matching front and rears in something other than the bullet hole alcoa pattern would be nice to see for a change. Im sure it won't be cheap...
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Hotrod GMC Alcoa vs vintage vector wheels, tough choice [message #315405 is a reply to message #315375] |
Mon, 03 April 2017 10:35 |
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USAussie
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Rod,
If provide URL links to the specific wheels you're considering the group
would be able to provide accurate information as to whether or not they're
acceptable to use on a GMC from a technical aspect.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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Subject: [GMCnet] Hotrod GMC Alcoa vs vintage vector wheels, tough choice
Hello All,
My 1973 Canyonlands project is at the cosmetic stage. I'd like to hear
opinions regarding wheels. Are vintage vector wheels a possibility? Or
should I purchase new Alcoa's. Has anyone fitted wider rims and tires? Has
anyone experimented with custom rims with custom offsets? Anyone tried
different tire profiles. I want it to look like the hotrod it is in spirit.
What can I say, I'm a car guy. To me it's more hotrod and less house.
Just finished the audio/video system with 4" 2 way Kickers in the cockpit
ceiling, 6x9 Kenwood 3 ways in each seat pedestal, double 10" subs in 3 cu
ft box under the dinette, 4x6 2 way Kickers coaxial in the rear. 2,ooo
watts total. All driven by 7" in dash dvd, cd, mp3, etc, Bluetooth, nav, 3
cameras. With 2 24" flat screens, blueray player. And a 40 channel CB with
PA, come back.
Rod Utterback
1973 Canyonlands 26ft
Escondido, Ca
Done by me: Brakes, flex lines, bearings,PD9260, Dash A/C rebuilt with
R134a, KYB's, all new fresh water system,
Dual Fantasics, Fuel tanks, lines, senders and selector valve, Cork flooring
kitchen, Commercial carpet tile rear, flat screens, Leds, upgraded
calipers/master, stove delete, convection/micro
455 w/ headers, HEI, kick ass audio/video installed 4/1/17
Coming soon: FItech, electric cooling fans, upgraded radiator and all fluid
coolers, wheels/tires, Upgraded sway bars,
body kit (may have to fab one like moho), tinted glass, LED dock lighting,
electric awning, Security/keyless system, rebuild the Onan 4000 to propane,
then?
ps. Haven't driven it a mile.
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Hotrod GMC Alcoa vs vintage vector wheels, tough choice [message #315406 is a reply to message #315375] |
Mon, 03 April 2017 10:42 |
Carl S.
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JWID - Front only:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5521-dodge-front-wheels-5-2f10.html
Here's where I got the idea:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/new-tires/p8352.html
I have been running this set-up for several years now (seven to be exact) with no problems except that the All Terrains wear out really quickly (13,000 - 14,000 miles). The current tires are worn out and I will be switching to a Cooper 245/70R16 LR-E this time around.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Hotrod GMC Alcoa vs vintage vector wheels, tough choice [message #315407 is a reply to message #315401] |
Mon, 03 April 2017 10:50 |
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I have XD Rock Star wheels on my coach. Correct offset, but lug centered. My GMC 1999 Sierra 2500 pickup truck uses lug centered eight bolt 17 inch wheels with no problems.
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Hotrod GMC Alcoa vs vintage vector wheels, tough choice
Pics, writeup and diagram of the sound system, or it didn't happen...;^p
Changing the offset on the rear wheels would increase track where you probably dont want it. I have seen a few pics of coaches from back in the day
with zero offset wheels on the back, and virtually none today. Makes you wonder if something didn't work out.
The one ton front suspension upgrade uses spacers, so if had the one ton and you were making custom wheels, you could ditch the spacers and go with a
different offset. Matching front and rears in something other than the bullet hole alcoa pattern would be nice to see for a change. Im sure it won't
be cheap...
--
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen
guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Hotrod GMC Alcoa vs vintage vector wheels, tough choice [message #315410 is a reply to message #315375] |
Mon, 03 April 2017 11:22 |
Scott Nutter
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Hey Rod,
Can you give me a call, I'd like to check out your coach. I'll be in Solana Beach till this Saturday.
But today I'll be in Escondido mowing my moms lawn and picking up a Filippis pizza!
Show me your GMC hot rod, and I'll show you my 67 Camaro SS/RS convertible!
Scott. 858-212-8760
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI
Houston, Texas
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| Re: [GMCnet] Hotrod GMC Alcoa vs vintage vector wheels, tough choice [message #315411 is a reply to message #315393] |
Mon, 03 April 2017 11:33 |
Ronald Pottol
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I am thinking about the same thing. I'm adding a couch (my coach doesn't
seem to have had one), and it occurred to me that putting the sub in that
would be the way to go, it would give you 6-10 cubic feet of volume, which
is enough for a 12, or even 15" (if it fits) in a sealed enclosure (which
seems to be the way to go if you care more about quality than volume). I'm
wondering about if I can make it opening,as stuff that is bulky but low
volume won't effect sound much (a tuned system is quite another matter!).
It would still need to seal tightly, of course.
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Steve Weinstock
wrote:
> Rod -
>
> Steve W here - a GMC motorhome owner up in Orange County.
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> Let's get together sometime... I'm in the midst of designing a sound
> system for my 23 footer. We've got lots of stuff to talk about. Are you
> ever up
> in Orange County ??
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> I tried to send a PM via the discussion board but it doesn't work for some
> reason related to your username.
>
> Steve W
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