| Re: [GMCnet] seats with belts built in [message #315287] |
Fri, 31 March 2017 13:07  |
Thomas Pryor
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Please be advised that seats with belts built in (also known as all belts
to seats) must meet special DOT requirements. When seat belts are
anchored to the seat adjuster foundation ie.(seat base) ...............it
must withstand occupant load and meet special crash test requirements. In
other words the seat mechanism must be robust enough to hold the seat and
the occupant in a frontal crash test without ejection.
In my opinion, do not rely on the built in seat belts unless you can
duplicated the same attachment methodology.
I WOULD ALWAYS TAKE GMC SEAT BELT TO THE FLOOR AND/OR TO WINDOW PILLAR.
(SEE APPLIED GMC SYSTEM)
http://www.appliedgmc.com/search.itml?icQuery=SEAT+BELTS
IMHO.........DON'T EVER EXPECT THE SEAT TO HOLD ITSELF AND YOU.
Regards,
Tom Pryor
4188 Limerick Dr
Lake Wales, Fl 33859
Cell 248 470 9186
Living on a waterfront is not a matter of life or death. Its more
important than that.
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| Re: [GMCnet] seats with belts built in [message #315288 is a reply to message #315287] |
Fri, 31 March 2017 13:26  |
James Hupy
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Just don't roll over your coach. I have seen the results of a couple of
roll over GMC'S. One was Peter Huber's coach on a flatbed wrecker. Only
thing visible above the belt line was the steering wheel and the seats.
Wouldn't have wanted to have been belted into that when it happened. The
coaches were never crash tested. The factory did try to do a lock to lock
steering test at 45 mph. They could not get it to roll over. They did not
do barrier tests to gmc's, but I don't think I would like to be in one in a
head on crash, either. Belts, or no belts. Looks about as secure as a V.W.
Microbus. Not very survivable. Best you can do is improve the brakes and
don't tailgate. Defensive driving and situational awareness can't hurt
either. Just my take on it.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
GMC ROYALE 403
On Mar 31, 2017 11:08 AM, "Thomas Pryor" wrote:
> Please be advised that seats with belts built in (also known as all belts
> to seats) must meet special DOT requirements. When seat belts are
> anchored to the seat adjuster foundation ie.(seat base) ...............it
> must withstand occupant load and meet special crash test requirements. In
> other words the seat mechanism must be robust enough to hold the seat and
> the occupant in a frontal crash test without ejection.
>
> In my opinion, do not rely on the built in seat belts unless you can
> duplicated the same attachment methodology.
>
> I WOULD ALWAYS TAKE GMC SEAT BELT TO THE FLOOR AND/OR TO WINDOW PILLAR.
> (SEE APPLIED GMC SYSTEM)
> http://www.appliedgmc.com/search.itml?icQuery=SEAT+BELTS
>
> IMHO.........DON'T EVER EXPECT THE SEAT TO HOLD ITSELF AND YOU.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Pryor
> 4188 Limerick Dr
> Lake Wales, Fl 33859
> Cell 248 470 9186
>
> Living on a waterfront is not a matter of life or death. Its more
> important than that.
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| Re: [GMCnet] seats with belts built in [message #315294 is a reply to message #315292] |
Fri, 31 March 2017 16:04 |
hertfordnc
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Location: East NC
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All good points. Now does anyone have that list?
Obviously we are never going to get a five star safety rating. When i get the seats in my hands I'll look into how the actual seatbelt attaches to the seat and then the floor. Plenty of steel under there and, just for fun, I can probably get an engineer to do some math for me.
In most collision scenarios a shoulder harness, even one that has been re-engineered by a backyard hack, is better than a lap belt which is better than nothing.
Dave & Ellen Silva
Hertford, NC
76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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| Re: [GMCnet] seats with belts built in [message #315297 is a reply to message #315287] |
Fri, 31 March 2017 20:04 |
rcjordan
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2003-06 Cad Escalade
2003-06 Cad Escalade EXT
2003-06 Chev Avalanche
2003-06 Chev Tahoe
2003-06 GMC Suburban
2003-06 GMC Yukon
2003-06 GMC Denali
2003-06 GMC Yukon XL
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
76 Eleganza
Elizabeth City, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] seats with belts built in [message #315334 is a reply to message #315294] |
Sat, 01 April 2017 22:36 |
jimk
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Location: Belmont, CA
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Our 3 point shoulder belt system was designed by Rick Flanagan, a
professional Mechanical designer and tested.
We use the 2 origional belt mounts and 2 wall mounts.The force on the side
wall is not perpendicular to the wall, so it is very strong as Rick
designed a very solid mounting system.
On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:04 PM, dave silva wrote:
> All good points. Now does anyone have that list?
>
> Obviously we are never going to get a five star safety rating. When i get
> the seats in my hands I'll look into how the actual seatbelt attaches to
> the seat and then the floor. Plenty of steel under there and, just for
> fun, I can probably get an engineer to do some math for me.
>
> In most collision scenarios a shoulder harness, even one that has been
> re-engineered by a backyard hack, is better than a lap belt which is better
> than nothing.
> --
> Dave & Ellen Silva
>
> 1972 Revcon Olds 455, toro drive train. All Stock
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