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| Suburban Install [message #313672] |
Thu, 23 February 2017 16:16  |
shaunone
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So I've seen quite a few installs where the furnace is mounted on an angle (to match the wall angle), and I've also read the manual that says "DO NOT MODIFY THE INTAKE OR EXHAUST PIPES." That being said, I am tempted to try one of three things:
1. Cut the stock pipe on an angle and weld it
2. Cut and install a flexible section (maybe not airtight?)
3. Purchase the optional extension kit and have it mandrel bent?
All three options would require a high temp flexible hose connection for the intake.
Any thoughts on this?
Shaun
1977 Palm Beach, 455, mostly stock and original
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| Re: [GMCnet] Suburban Install [message #313674 is a reply to message #313672] |
Thu, 23 February 2017 16:20  |
Dolph Santorine
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Shaun:
Here’s a presentation on the ATWOOD install.
http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Swartzendruber_Atwood_Furnace_Install.pdf
It may give you some ideas.
Dolph
DE AD0LF
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
1-Ton, Sullybilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission, EV-6010
“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
> On Feb 23, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Shaun wrote:
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> So I've seen quite a few installs where the furnace is mounted on an angle (to match the wall angle), and I've also read the manual that says "DO NOT
> MODIFY THE INTAKE OR EXHAUST PIPES." That being said, I am tempted to try one of three things:
>
> 1. Cut the stock pipe on an angle and weld it
> 2. Cut and install a flexible section (maybe not airtight?)
> 3. Purchase the optional extension kit and have it mandrel bent?
>
> All three options would require a high temp flexible hose connection for the intake.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> Shaun
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Suburban Install [message #313675 is a reply to message #313672] |
Thu, 23 February 2017 16:30 |
sgltrac
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Shaun,
I do not know if I am arriving in the middle of this thread but why do you
not just build an angled platform for the furnace?
Sully
77 eleganza 2
Seattle
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Shaun wrote:
> So I've seen quite a few installs where the furnace is mounted on an angle
> (to match the wall angle), and I've also read the manual that says "DO NOT
> MODIFY THE INTAKE OR EXHAUST PIPES." That being said, I am tempted to try
> one of three things:
>
> 1. Cut the stock pipe on an angle and weld it
> 2. Cut and install a flexible section (maybe not airtight?)
> 3. Purchase the optional extension kit and have it mandrel bent?
>
> All three options would require a high temp flexible hose connection for
> the intake.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> Shaun
>
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Sully
77 Royale basket case.
Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
Seattle, Wa.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Suburban Install [message #313676 is a reply to message #313675] |
Thu, 23 February 2017 17:18 |
shaunone
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From what I've seen, the angled mount requires more fabrication and modification to the existing area (i.e. cutting a notch beside the couch). Also, by mounting flush with the floor, I could add a small shelf above the much shallower unit.
1977 Palm Beach, 455, mostly stock and original
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| Re: [GMCnet] Suburban Install [message #313677 is a reply to message #313674] |
Thu, 23 February 2017 17:22 |
shaunone
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Dolph Santorine wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 16:20Shaun:
Here's a presentation on the ATWOOD install.
http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Swartzendruber_Atwood_Furnace_Install.pdf
It may give you some ideas.
Dolph
DE AD0LF
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26' ex-PalmBeach
1-Ton, Sullybilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission, EV-6010
"The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
> On Feb 23, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Shaun wrote:
>
> So I've seen quite a few installs where the furnace is mounted on an angle (to match the wall angle), and I've also read the manual that says "DO NOT
> MODIFY THE INTAKE OR EXHAUST PIPES." That being said, I am tempted to try one of three things:
>
> 1. Cut the stock pipe on an angle and weld it
> 2. Cut and install a flexible section (maybe not airtight?)
> 3. Purchase the optional extension kit and have it mandrel bent?
>
> All three options would require a high temp flexible hose connection for the intake.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> Shaun
>
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This is my idea, but with a different furnace. The suburban only requires two small holes for pipes which I think could be cut on an angle or bent.
1977 Palm Beach, 455, mostly stock and original
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| Re: [GMCnet] Suburban Install [message #313700 is a reply to message #313677] |
Thu, 23 February 2017 18:20 |
powwerjon
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Shaun,
On the GMC Photo site there are several albums on furnace installs, just do a search on furnace or suburban.
J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
Newsletter Editor/Publisher
Tech Editor
78 Buskirk 30' Stretch
75 Avion Under Reconstruction
Michigan
> On Feb 23, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Shaun wrote:
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> Dolph Santorine wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 16:20
>> Shaun:
>>
>> Here's a presentation on the ATWOOD install.
>>
>> http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Swartzendruber_Atwood_Furnace_Install.pdf
>>
>> It may give you some ideas.
>>
>>
>> Dolph
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>> DE AD0LF
>>
>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>
>> 1977 26' ex-PalmBeach
>> 1-Ton, Sullybilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission, EV-6010
>>
>> "The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Shaun wrote:
>>>
>>> So I've seen quite a few installs where the furnace is mounted on an angle (to match the wall angle), and I've also read the manual that says
>>> "DO NOT
>>> MODIFY THE INTAKE OR EXHAUST PIPES." That being said, I am tempted to try one of three things:
>>>
>>> 1. Cut the stock pipe on an angle and weld it
>>> 2. Cut and install a flexible section (maybe not airtight?)
>>> 3. Purchase the optional extension kit and have it mandrel bent?
>>>
>>> All three options would require a high temp flexible hose connection for the intake.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on this?
>>>
>>> Shaun
>>>
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> This is my idea, but with a different furnace. The suburban only requires two small holes for pipes which I think could be cut on an angle or bent.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Suburban Install [message #313730 is a reply to message #313700] |
Fri, 24 February 2017 12:24 |
shaunone
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powwerjon wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 18:20Shaun,
On the GMC Photo site there are several albums on furnace installs, just do a search on furnace or suburban.
J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
Newsletter Editor/Publisher
Tech Editor
78 Buskirk 30' Stretch
75 Avion Under Reconstruction
Michigan
> On Feb 23, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Shaun wrote:
>
> Dolph Santorine wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 16:20
>> Shaun:
>>
>> Here's a presentation on the ATWOOD install.
>>
>> http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Swartzendruber_Atwood_Furnace_Install.pdf
>>
>> It may give you some ideas.
>>
>>
>> Dolph
>>
>> DE AD0LF
>>
>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>
>> 1977 26' ex-PalmBeach
>> 1-Ton, Sullybilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission, EV-6010
>>
>> "The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Shaun wrote:
>>>
>>> So I've seen quite a few installs where the furnace is mounted on an angle (to match the wall angle), and I've also read the manual that says
>>> "DO NOT
>>> MODIFY THE INTAKE OR EXHAUST PIPES." That being said, I am tempted to try one of three things:
>>>
>>> 1. Cut the stock pipe on an angle and weld it
>>> 2. Cut and install a flexible section (maybe not airtight?)
>>> 3. Purchase the optional extension kit and have it mandrel bent?
>>>
>>> All three options would require a high temp flexible hose connection for the intake.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on this?
>>>
>>> Shaun
>>>
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> This is my idea, but with a different furnace. The suburban only requires two small holes for pipes which I think could be cut on an angle or bent.
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Done this. Everything I can find shows an angled mounting bracket.
1977 Palm Beach, 455, mostly stock and original
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| Re: [GMCnet] Suburban Install [message #313811 is a reply to message #313730] |
Sat, 25 February 2017 22:44 |
Terrance Boyd
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Shaun,
When I changed out the Solair with a Suburban NT 30, I ordered (from
Suburban)the external vent/exhaust tube for a Winnebago Elante. It is
manufactured with approximately the same angle as the side of our coaches.
Using that vent, the furnace can sit flat.
Terry
On Feb 24, 2017 11:25 AM, "Shaun" wrote:
> powwerjon wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 18:20
>> Shaun,
>> On the GMC Photo site there are several albums on furnace installs, just
> do a search on furnace or suburban.
>>
>> J.R. Wright
>> GMC GreatLaker
>> Newsletter Editor/Publisher
>> Tech Editor
>> 78 Buskirk 30' Stretch
>> 75 Avion Under Reconstruction
>> Michigan
>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Shaun wrote:
>>>
>>> Dolph Santorine wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 16:20
>>>> Shaun:
>>>>
>>>> Here's a presentation on the ATWOOD install.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Swartzendruber_
> Atwood_Furnace_Install.pdf
>>>>
>>>> It may give you some ideas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dolph
>>>>
>>>> DE AD0LF
>>>>
>>>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>>>
>>>> 1977 26' ex-PalmBeach
>>>> 1-Ton, Sullybilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission,
> EV-6010
>>>>
>>>> "The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Feb 23, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Shaun wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > So I've seen quite a few installs where the furnace is mounted on
> an angle (to match the wall angle), and I've also read the manual that
>> says
>>>> > "DO NOT
>>>> > MODIFY THE INTAKE OR EXHAUST PIPES." That being said, I am tempted
> to try one of three things:
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Cut the stock pipe on an angle and weld it
>>>> > 2. Cut and install a flexible section (maybe not airtight?)
>>>> > 3. Purchase the optional extension kit and have it mandrel bent?
>>>> >
>>>> > All three options would require a high temp flexible hose
> connection for the intake.
>>>> >
>>>> > Any thoughts on this?
>>>> >
>>>> > Shaun
>>>> >
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>>> This is my idea, but with a different furnace. The suburban only
> requires two small holes for pipes which I think could be cut on an angle or
>>> bent.
>>>
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> Done this. Everything I can find shows an angled mounting bracket.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Suburban Install [message #313816 is a reply to message #313811] |
Sun, 26 February 2017 08:35 |
mghamms
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Do you have any information on the part you used.
I searched the net and can't find any information for a Winnebago Elante suburban instalation.
I am in the process of installing a Suburban furnace on o flat plenum, and it looks like you solution can save me some time.
Part numbers would be great.
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
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| Re: [GMCnet] Suburban Install [message #313832 is a reply to message #313816] |
Sun, 26 February 2017 15:57 |
shaunone
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mghamms wrote on Sun, 26 February 2017 08:35Do you have any information on the part you used.
I searched the net and can't find any information for a Winnebago Elante suburban instalation.
I am in the process of installing a Suburban furnace on o flat plenum, and it looks like you solution can save me some time.
Part numbers would be great.
X2. I can't even find a picture of it...but I will probably end up cutting and welding mine, and then using some high-heat silicone hose for the intake.
1977 Palm Beach, 455, mostly stock and original
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| Re: [GMCnet] Suburban Install [message #313908 is a reply to message #313867] |
Tue, 28 February 2017 15:34 |
mghamms
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I found the part numbers.
Winnebago part number:
098668-01-707
Suburban part number:
260193
Although I still have not found a seller for this part.
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
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| Re: [GMCnet] Suburban Install [message #313913 is a reply to message #313910] |
Tue, 28 February 2017 19:55 |
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Emery Stora wrote on Tue, 28 February 2017 15:53An Internet search for 260193 brings up a Winnebago site
http://www.winnebagoind.com/service/wincd/1997/97w327rc.pdf
That also shows the Winnebago part number.
An Amazon search for 098668-01-707 brings up
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dautomotive&field-keywords=098668-01-707&rh=n%3A15684181%2Ck%3A098668-01-707
Is that the part you need?
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Feb 28, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Mike Hamm wrote:
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> I found the part numbers.
> Winnebago part number:
> 098668-01-707
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> Suburban part number:
> 260193
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> Although I still have not found a seller for this part.
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> 1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
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Hard to say. It definitely doesn't look angled in the picture, but maybe they used the wrong photo?
1977 Palm Beach, 455, mostly stock and original
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| Re: [GMCnet] Suburban Install [message #313915 is a reply to message #313913] |
Tue, 28 February 2017 20:41 |
mghamms
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The amazon is the wrong part number.
The winni site is where i found the part number.
I'm trying to see if winnebago has the part. Haven't heard back from them yet.
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
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| Re: [GMCnet] Suburban Install [message #313947 is a reply to message #313915] |
Wed, 01 March 2017 14:22 |
mghamms
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Looks like I may have the wrong part number.
The one I think I need is :
Winnebago p/n 092300-01-711
Suburban p/n x260179
The other one fits a lot of Winnebago with flat sides.
No picture on there parts list for the Elante.
I' m trying to get a picture of this part from Winnebago to confirm it is right.
Also emailed Suburban for information on there nt34bw furnace that is in the Elante.
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
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| Re: [GMCnet] Suburban Install [message #313987 is a reply to message #313947] |
Thu, 02 March 2017 14:23 |
mghamms
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Winnebago no longer sells parts for this furnace. They suggest going to suburban for the part.
So far no response from suburban.
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
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