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jcurran is currently offline  jcurran   United States
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Hi Folks,

I am getting ready to take my coach off of jackstands but have been checking a few things first. Latest issue is...

With the rear wheels off the ground, I grabbed the rear right wheel and rocked it. There is a tiny amount of slop so I'm wondering about bearings:

Is there a protocol to detect which bearing or race is worn or just replace everything ?
There seems to be a void between the inside and outside bearings - should that be partly filled with grease ?
I saw the issue with certain grease seals from several years ago having dimensional issues - is there anything else to watch out for?

Thanks,
Jim


Jim Curran 1976 Palm Beach Alexandria, OH
Re: Rear Bearing Question [message #310746 is a reply to message #310740] Mon, 21 November 2016 22:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jcurran wrote on Mon, 21 November 2016 21:47
Hi Folks,

I am getting ready to take my coach off of jackstands but have been checking a few things first. Latest issue is...

With the rear wheels off the ground, I grabbed the rear right wheel and rocked it. There is a tiny amount of slop so I'm wondering about bearings:

Is there a protocol to detect which bearing or race is worn or just replace everything ?
There seems to be a void between the inside and outside bearings - should that be partly filled with grease ?
I saw the issue with certain grease seals from several years ago having dimensional issues - is there anything else to watch out for?

Thanks,
Jim

Jim,

If the bearing is set right, there should be just a little room when you push/pull the top/bottom of the tire. If you can't feel it move, it is too tight and the bearing will go out in short order.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Rear Bearing Question [message #310747 is a reply to message #310746] Mon, 21 November 2016 22:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Jim,

If you don't know when those bearings were repacked -- correctly -- I'd
recommend doing them now. However, your questions make me think you should
get someone to mentor you on the job. It's not really difficult, but the
first time is when you should learn what to look for on the cleaned
bearings; how to properly pack the grease into them; and, most importantly,
regardless of who helps you, how to tighten them. Here's the procedure for
that from the X-7525 manual:

BRAKE DRUM INSTALLATION
1 . Install hub and drum assembly (figure 10).
2. Install flat washer and castellated nut on hub
while rotating hub and drum assembly.
3 . Tighten castellated nut to 25-30 lbs. ft . torque
to position bearings . (Be sure drum is rotating while
tightening nut).
4. Back off nut 1/2 turn.
5 . Re-tighten nut finger tight, secure if possible
with cotter pin.
6. If unable to secure at finger tight, back off nut
to first securing position.
7. Check end play between hub and spindle it
should be .001 to .005 inch.
8 . Replace inner and outer dust caps.

That 0.001 to 0.005 inch play is all you should be feeling right now.

Be sure to check the seals as described in the references you mentioned --
just a few filings in the grease can wipe the bearings out "right now".

HTH,

Ken H.



jcurran wrote on Mon, 21 November 2016 21:47
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I am getting ready to take my coach off of jackstands but have been
> checking a few things first. Latest issue is...
>>
>> With the rear wheels off the ground, I grabbed the rear right wheel and
> rocked it. There is a tiny amount of slop so I'm wondering about
>> bearings:
>>
>> Is there a protocol to detect which bearing or race is worn or just
> replace everything ?
>> There seems to be a void between the inside and outside bearings -
> should that be partly filled with grease ?
>> I saw the issue with certain grease seals from several years ago having
> dimensional issues - is there anything else to watch out for?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Rear Bearing Question [message #310751 is a reply to message #310747] Tue, 22 November 2016 07:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Henderson wrote on Mon, 21 November 2016 23:45
Jim,

If you don't know when those bearings were repacked -- correctly -- I'd
recommend doing them now. However, your questions make me think you should
get someone to mentor you on the job. It's not really difficult, but the
first time is when you should learn what to look for on the cleaned
bearings; how to properly pack the grease into them; and, most importantly,
regardless of who helps you, how to tighten them. Here's the procedure for
that from the X-7525 manual:

BRAKE DRUM INSTALLATION
1 . Install hub and drum assembly (figure 10).
2. Install flat washer and castellated nut on hub
while rotating hub and drum assembly.
3 . Tighten castellated nut to 25-30 lbs. ft . torque
to position bearings . (Be sure drum is rotating while
tightening nut).
4. Back off nut 1/2 turn.
5 . Re-tighten nut finger tight, secure if possible
with cotter pin.
6. If unable to secure at finger tight, back off nut
to first securing position.
7. Check end play between hub and spindle it
should be .001 to .005 inch.
8 . Replace inner and outer dust caps.

That 0.001 to 0.005 inch play is all you should be feeling right now.

Be sure to check the seals as described in the references you mentioned --
just a few filings in the grease can wipe the bearings out "right now".

HTH,

Ken H.

Ken,

Thank you for filling this in. It was late and all I had in mind then was having him not take the bearings too tight.

Matt


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Re: Rear Bearing Question [message #310756 is a reply to message #310740] Tue, 22 November 2016 08:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you have the bearings too tight, you stand a good chance of having a wheel pass you on the freeway as the coach grinds to a halt. Ask me how I know this Smile

--johnny


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Re: Rear Bearing Question [message #310760 is a reply to message #310756] Tue, 22 November 2016 10:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The void between the 2 bearings does not need to be filled with grease. It will not migrate to the bearings and will just be a waste of grease. Do make sure the inside of the hub is covered with grease and the same for the spindle so they are protected from moisture condensation which will make them rust very easily. The same applies to the bearing cap on the outside. Filling that cap will not provide "extra" grease for the outside bearing, it will just sit there and spin around with the cap. Every one I have ever taken off that was packed with grease is just that, still packed with grease while the bearing went dry (or wet with water)and turned to bits and pieces. Concentrate on getting the bearings absolutely filled with grease with no air spaces left, and using your absolutely clean grease gun (not the one you use for dirty chassis joints),run a bead of grease around the wide side of the inside bearing before installing the seal and make sure and lubricate the seal rubbing surface and spindle before putting the hub/drum back together. I also run a bead of grease around the outside of the outer bearing before putting the washer and nut back on.

An exception to the rule of not stuffing the hub with grease is boat trailer bearings with "bearing buddy" caps that have a zerk fitting to allow greasing from the hub cap. These need to be filled so the grease in between the 2 bearings will be pushed into the inside bearing when fresh grease is applied through the zerk fitting in the hub cap. That is supposed to force old grease and any moisture out of the grease seal at the back, where it is most likely to enter when submerging a warm bearing assembly in cold water when launching the boat. At least that what it said on the instruction sheet Smile


Terry Kelpien ASE Master Technician 73 Glacier 260 Smithfield, Va.
Re: Rear Bearing Question [message #310766 is a reply to message #310760] Tue, 22 November 2016 14:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Guys - I will see what is going on with the bolts on the other 3 wheels.

Jim


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Re: Rear Bearing Question [message #310776 is a reply to message #310740] Tue, 22 November 2016 19:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A Lisle bearing packer is a must have tool. Forces fresh grease in and old grease out. I use Synpower in my gun so I only stock ine grease.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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Re: Rear Bearing Question [message #310778 is a reply to message #310740] Tue, 22 November 2016 19:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I had a drone sound in back above about 63 MPH. It was outer right front rear bearing. Point is the race looked good, the rollers looked good, but the inner surface of the besring that you can not see was rough. So I replaced the outer bearing and the race as a set. Point here is s VISUAL indpection could not show the problem. But an auditory inspection, both driving and spinning the bearing in my hand pinpoined the problem.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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Re: [GMCnet] Rear Bearing Question [message #310780 is a reply to message #310778] Tue, 22 November 2016 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That, the tactile detection of bearing flaws, is the reason I'm hesitant to
try to remotely tutor anyone on bearing service.
You've just gotta learn how to turn the bearing and feel its condition.
Back in the '70's, USAF developed an inspection machine for turbine engine
bearings, but it's 'way, 'way, 'way too expensive for any automotive
mechanic.

Ken H.


On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:16 PM, John R. Lebetski
wrote:

> I had a drone sound in back above about 63 MPH. It was outer right front
> rear bearing. Point is the race looked good, the rollers looked good, but
> the
> inner surface of the besring that you can not see was rough. So I replaced
> the outer bearing and the race as a set. Point here is s VISUAL indpection
> could not show the problem. But an auditory inspection, both driving and
> spinning the bearing in my hand pinpoined the problem.
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Re: [GMCnet] Proper wheel torque? [message #330334 is a reply to message #310780] Sun, 25 March 2018 15:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Help? On page 92 the 1977 Operating Manual states 250 foot pounds. Seems
like I read somewhere that was an error. Would someone with more expernce
please chime in with confirmation or the correct torque.

Lenore and I are getting all set for the Tucson GMCMI Convention.

Since the Shawnee gathering I’ve installed 7 solar panels totaling 960
watts, supplying 500ah LiFePO4 lithium batteries. We will be leaving this
Wednesday, with a week of boondocking in Big Bend National Park on the way,
then more boondocking in the Grand Canyon area, Utah and Colorado
afterwards. I’ve not yet replaced our compressor style 12vdc/110vac
Norcold fridge. This month long outing should give the new solar system a
good test.

Looking forward to seeing everyone in Arizona.

Thanks and hugs,
Vern and Lenore

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Re: [GMCnet] Proper wheel torque? [message #330336 is a reply to message #330334] Sun, 25 March 2018 15:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Jim,

I’m glad I checked, as I have the Alcoas.
I’ll set my torque wrench for 125!

See you soon!

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:43 PM James Hupy wrote:

> Vern, the 250 ft lbs is correct for I am steel wheels. The Alcoa and other
> alloy wheels are 120 - 130 ft lbs.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 1:29 PM Vern Crawford
> wrote:
>
>> Help? On page 92 the 1977 Operating Manual states 250 foot pounds.
> Seems
>> like I read somewhere that was an error. Would someone with more
> expernce
>> please chime in with confirmation or the correct torque.
>>
>> Lenore and I are getting all set for the Tucson GMCMI Convention.
>>
>> Since the Shawnee gathering I’ve installed 7 solar panels totaling 960
>> watts, supplying 500ah LiFePO4 lithium batteries. We will be leaving
> this
>> Wednesday, with a week of boondocking in Big Bend National Park on the
> way,
>> then more boondocking in the Grand Canyon area, Utah and Colorado
>> afterwards. I’ve not yet replaced our compressor style 12vdc/110vac
>> Norcold fridge. This month long outing should give the new solar system
> a
>> good test.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing everyone in Arizona.
>>
>> Thanks and hugs,
>> Vern and Lenore
>>
>> --
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>> 155 JJ Lane
>> Center Point, TX 78010
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Re: [GMCnet] Proper wheel torque? [message #330337 is a reply to message #330334] Sun, 25 March 2018 15:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Vern, the 250 ft lbs is correct for I am steel wheels. The Alcoa and other
alloy wheels are 120 - 130 ft lbs.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 1:29 PM Vern Crawford wrote:

> Help? On page 92 the 1977 Operating Manual states 250 foot pounds. Seems
> like I read somewhere that was an error. Would someone with more expernce
> please chime in with confirmation or the correct torque.
>
> Lenore and I are getting all set for the Tucson GMCMI Convention.
>
> Since the Shawnee gathering I’ve installed 7 solar panels totaling 960
> watts, supplying 500ah LiFePO4 lithium batteries. We will be leaving this
> Wednesday, with a week of boondocking in Big Bend National Park on the way,
> then more boondocking in the Grand Canyon area, Utah and Colorado
> afterwards. I’ve not yet replaced our compressor style 12vdc/110vac
> Norcold fridge. This month long outing should give the new solar system a
> good test.
>
> Looking forward to seeing everyone in Arizona.
>
> Thanks and hugs,
> Vern and Lenore
>
> --
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> 155 JJ Lane
> Center Point, TX 78010
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Re: [GMCnet] Proper wheel torque? [message #330338 is a reply to message #330336] Sun, 25 March 2018 15:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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James, Vern
The bits that came with my 16” Alcoa wheels say Torque to 140 ft-lbs engraved on the nuts.

Emery Stora

> On Mar 25, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Vern Crawford wrote:
>
> Thanks Jim,
>
> I’m glad I checked, as I have the Alcoas.
> I’ll set my torque wrench for 125!
>
> See you soon!
>
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:43 PM James Hupy wrote:
>>
>> Vern, the 250 ft lbs is correct for I am steel wheels. The Alcoa and other
>> alloy wheels are 120 - 130 ft lbs.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Or
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 1:29 PM Vern Crawford
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Help? On page 92 the 1977 Operating Manual states 250 foot pounds.
>> Seems
>>> like I read somewhere that was an error. Would someone with more
>> expernce
>>> please chime in with confirmation or the correct torque.
>>>
>>> Lenore and I are getting all set for the Tucson GMCMI Convention.
>>>
>>> Since the Shawnee gathering I’ve installed 7 solar panels totaling 960
>>> watts, supplying 500ah LiFePO4 lithium batteries. We will be leaving
>> this
>>> Wednesday, with a week of boondocking in Big Bend National Park on the
>> way,
>>> then more boondocking in the Grand Canyon area, Utah and Colorado
>>> afterwards. I’ve not yet replaced our compressor style 12vdc/110vac
>>> Norcold fridge. This month long outing should give the new solar system
>> a
>>> good test.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to seeing everyone in Arizona.
>>>
>>> Thanks and hugs,
>>> Vern and Lenore
>>>
>>> --
>>> Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
>>> 155 JJ Lane
>>> Center Point, TX 78010
>>> (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
>>> (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
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Re: [GMCnet] Proper wheel torque? [message #330339 is a reply to message #330338] Sun, 25 March 2018 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Emory!

You are correct. Duh, I only needed to read the info on the nuts
themselves. They are clearly marked 140 FT LBS.

I’ll re-torque to 140, and note it in my manual.

What a wonderful community we have!

Vern

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:56 PM Emery Stora wrote:

> James, Vern
> The bits that came with my 16” Alcoa wheels say Torque to 140 ft-lbs
> engraved on the nuts.
>
> Emery Stora
>
>> On Mar 25, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Vern Crawford
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Jim,
>>
>> I’m glad I checked, as I have the Alcoas.
>> I’ll set my torque wrench for 125!
>>
>> See you soon!
>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:43 PM James Hupy
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Vern, the 250 ft lbs is correct for I am steel wheels. The Alcoa and
> other
>>> alloy wheels are 120 - 130 ft lbs.
>>> Jim Hupy
>>> Salem, Or
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 1:29 PM Vern Crawford
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Help? On page 92 the 1977 Operating Manual states 250 foot pounds.
>>> Seems
>>>> like I read somewhere that was an error. Would someone with more
>>> expernce
>>>> please chime in with confirmation or the correct torque.
>>>>
>>>> Lenore and I are getting all set for the Tucson GMCMI Convention.
>>>>
>>>> Since the Shawnee gathering I’ve installed 7 solar panels totaling 960
>>>> watts, supplying 500ah LiFePO4 lithium batteries. We will be leaving
>>> this
>>>> Wednesday, with a week of boondocking in Big Bend National Park on the
>>> way,
>>>> then more boondocking in the Grand Canyon area, Utah and Colorado
>>>> afterwards. I’ve not yet replaced our compressor style 12vdc/110vac
>>>> Norcold fridge. This month long outing should give the new solar
> system
>>> a
>>>> good test.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to seeing everyone in Ariz
>
> ona.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and hugs,
>>>> Vern and Lenore
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
>>>> 155 JJ Lane
>>>> Center Point, TX 78010
>>>> (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
>>>> (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
>>>> VernCrawford@GMail.Com
>>>> LenoreLangsdorf@GMail.Com
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Re: [GMCnet] Proper wheel torque? [message #330343 is a reply to message #330339] Sun, 25 March 2018 19:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And, retorque the lug nuts after driving the coach for a short distance.
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Re: [GMCnet] Proper wheel torque? [message #330344 is a reply to message #330343] Sun, 25 March 2018 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You betcha.
Jim Hupy

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 5:13 PM Thomas Phipps wrote:

> And, retorque the lug nuts after driving the coach for a short distance.
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Re: [GMCnet] Proper wheel torque? [message #330346 is a reply to message #330334] Sun, 25 March 2018 19:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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While you're boondocking in the Grand Canyon area, check the weather and if
it's favorable, go to Toroweap Overlook. It's 65 miles from North Rim to
Pipe Spring NM, a must-see, IMHO. From there you take a good gravel road
63 miles to Tuweep Campground and Toroweap Overlook. At the overlook, you
can literally get out of the car, lay down, and look 3000' straight down at
the Colorado River.

This web site tells all about the place, making it sound MUCH worse than
I've found it on either of my two trips there:
https://www.hitthetrail.com/toroweap-tuweep/ However, I didn't take the
GMC there either time. There is a campground across the road from Pipe
Spring (once called "Mad Rabbit Campground", but I think they've changed
the name).

I FAR prefer Toroweap to anywhere on the S. Rim, and there are NO crowds.
But it may be too early in the year to go there.

Ken H.


On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:28 PM, Vern Crawford
wrote:

> Help? On page 92 the 1977 Operating Manual states 250 foot pounds. Seems
> like I read somewhere that was an error. Would someone with more expernce
> please chime in with confirmation or the correct torque.
>
> Lenore and I are getting all set for the Tucson GMCMI Convention.
>
> Since the Shawnee gathering I’ve installed 7 solar panels totaling 960
> watts, supplying 500ah LiFePO4 lithium batteries. We will be leaving this
> Wednesday, with a week of boondocking in Big Bend National Park on the way,
> then more boondocking in the Grand Canyon area, Utah and Colorado
> afterwards. I’ve not yet replaced our compressor style 12vdc/110vac
> Norcold fridge. This month long outing should give the new solar system a
> good test.
>
> Looking forward to seeing everyone in Arizona.
>
> Thanks and hugs,
> Vern and Lenore
>
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> 155 JJ Lane
> Center Point, TX 78010
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Re: [GMCnet] Proper wheel torque? [message #330347 is a reply to message #330334] Sun, 25 March 2018 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vern Crawford is currently offline  Vern Crawford   United States
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Thanks for the tips Ken. We also plan on dropping by the BLM Office to see
if we can win the lottery to hike in to “the Wave!” I understand that on a
typical day you have about a 1 in four chance to get a permit. 40 or so
folks typically show up, and 10 permits are issued for the following day.

Hugs my friend!

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 8:00 PM Ken Henderson
wrote:

> While you're boondocking in the Grand Canyon area, check the weather and if
> it's favorable, go to Toroweap Overlook. It's 65 miles from North Rim to
> Pipe Spring NM, a must-see, IMHO. From there you take a good gravel road
> 63 miles to Tuweep Campground and Toroweap Overlook. At the overlook, you
> can literally get out of the car, lay down, and look 3000' straight down at
> the Colorado River.
>
> This web site tells all about the place, making it sound MUCH worse than
> I've found it on either of my two trips there:
> https://www.hitthetrail.com/toroweap-tuweep/ However, I didn't take the
> GMC there either time. There is a campground across the road from Pipe
> Spring (once called "Mad Rabbit Campground", but I think they've changed
> the name).
>
> I FAR prefer Toroweap to anywhere on the S. Rim, and there are NO crowds.
> But it may be too early in the year to go there.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:28 PM, Vern Crawford
> wrote:
>
>> Help? On page 92 the 1977 Operating Manual states 250 foot pounds.
> Seems
>> like I read somewhere that was an error. Would someone with more
> expernce
>> please chime in with confirmation or the correct torque.
>>
>> Lenore and I are getting all set for the Tucson GMCMI Convention.
>>
>> Since the Shawnee gathering I’ve installed 7 solar panels totaling 960
>> watts, supplying 500ah LiFePO4 lithium batteries. We will be leaving
> this
>> Wednesday, with a week of boondocking in Big Bend National Park on the
> way,
>> then more boondocking in the Grand Canyon area, Utah and Colorado
>> afterwards. I’ve not yet replaced our compressor style 12vdc/110vac
>> Norcold fridge. This month long outing should give the new solar system
> a
>> good test.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing everyone in Arizona.
>>
>> Thanks and hugs,
>> Vern and Lenore
>>
>> --
>> Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
>> 155 JJ Lane
>> Center Point, TX 78010
>> (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
>> (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
>> VernCrawford@GMail.Com
>> LenoreLangsdorf@GMail.Com
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Re: [GMCnet] Proper wheel torque? [message #330364 is a reply to message #330347] Mon, 26 March 2018 06:55 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
jimk is currently offline  jimk   United States
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The torque difference is mainly in the nuts being used.
The Alcoa has a seperat washer attached that allow for slipage as it is
torqued. The original is a solid nut with large base that drags and must
overome the friction.

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 6:08 PM, Vern Crawford
wrote:

> Thanks for the tips Ken. We also plan on dropping by the BLM Office to see
> if we can win the lottery to hike in to “the Wave!” I understand that on a
> typical day you have about a 1 in four chance to get a permit. 40 or so
> folks typically show up, and 10 permits are issued for the following day.
>
> Hugs my friend!
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 8:00 PM Ken Henderson
> wrote:
>
>> While you're boondocking in the Grand Canyon area, check the weather and
> if
>> it's favorable, go to Toroweap Overlook. It's 65 miles from North Rim to
>> Pipe Spring NM, a must-see, IMHO. From there you take a good gravel road
>> 63 miles to Tuweep Campground and Toroweap Overlook. At the overlook,
> you
>> can literally get out of the car, lay down, and look 3000' straight down
> at
>> the Colorado River.
>>
>> This web site tells all about the place, making it sound MUCH worse than
>> I've found it on either of my two trips there:
>> https://www.hitthetrail.com/toroweap-tuweep/ However, I didn't take the
>> GMC there either time. There is a campground across the road from Pipe
>> Spring (once called "Mad Rabbit Campground", but I think they've changed
>> the name).
>>
>> I FAR prefer Toroweap to anywhere on the S. Rim, and there are NO crowds.
>> But it may be too early in the year to go there.
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:28 PM, Vern Crawford
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Help? On page 92 the 1977 Operating Manual states 250 foot pounds.
>> Seems
>>> like I read somewhere that was an error. Would someone with more
>> expernce
>>> please chime in with confirmation or the correct torque.
>>>
>>> Lenore and I are getting all set for the Tucson GMCMI Convention.
>>>
>>> Since the Shawnee gathering I’ve installed 7 solar panels totaling 960
>>> watts, supplying 500ah LiFePO4 lithium batteries. We will be leaving
>> this
>>> Wednesday, with a week of boondocking in Big Bend National Park on the
>> way,
>>> then more boondocking in the Grand Canyon area, Utah and Colorado
>>> afterwards. I’ve not yet replaced our compressor style 12vdc/110vac
>>> Norcold fridge. This month long outing should give the new solar
> system
>> a
>>> good test.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to seeing everyone in Arizona.
>>>
>>> Thanks and hugs,
>>> Vern and Lenore
>>>
>>> --
>>> Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
>>> 155 JJ Lane
>>> Center Point, TX 78010
>>> (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
>>> (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
>>> VernCrawford@GMail.Com
>>> LenoreLangsdorf@GMail.Com
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Center Point, TX 78010
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