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Sun, 21 August 2016 10:08  |
kstockwell
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Here we go
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6966-carpet-removal-2c-cork-replacement.html
Pulling out the two chairs were a pain and they are HEAVY! should I put them back in or make another seating option?
So far pulling up the carpet has been the easiest thing I've done to the GMC. There's evidence of leakage behind the passenger side seat from the meeting of the headliner to the sides.
We got 2.5" of rain last weekend, and there's no evidence of dampness in the area, so an old leak?
You can see the back of the carpet- every spill, stain, water intrusion ever.
I am not sure when the carpet was replaced, but it was a long time ago
Flooring doesn't come in until the end of next week, then it has to acclimate... so this will be a long process. I'm sure I'll have questions
kelly
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Putney VT
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| Re: carpet removal, cork replacement [message #305704 is a reply to message #305697] |
Sun, 21 August 2016 12:18  |
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Get someone to wash it thoroughly while you watch from inside while you still got the area uncovered. Then switch and have them watch while you hose it. Sometimes leaks take several minutes of dousing to show up when they finally saturate the path going down.
Terry Kelpien
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| Re: [GMCnet] carpet removal, cork replacement [message #305713 is a reply to message #305712] |
Sun, 21 August 2016 13:35 |
kstockwell
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More photos uploaded. Looking for input, anything I need to be careful of or take care of? I need to clean the foam off the steps, I think it was glued down...
The plan is to paint with Kilz and then the layer of plastic and then the floating floor. Not until later in the week. Dump day is Wednesday so I get to drive around with a gross carpet and padding in my car for 2 days.
Anyone know what my floor plan originally was from the holes in the floor? My couch is not stock, but everything was changed a long time ago very professionally.
kelly
1978 Kingsley
Putney VT
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| Re: [GMCnet] carpet removal, cork replacement [message #305717 is a reply to message #305715] |
Sun, 21 August 2016 13:54 |
kstockwell
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Thanks, it seems like a "newer" leak and this looks like a newer vent. Should I replace the fridge vent while I'm at it because it's old?
I can actually look into the crack where the missing piece is and there's an easy route for water. I ordered the new vent, and I just received the tubes of adhesive sealant I ordered from Jim Bounds.
kelly
James Hupy wrote on Sun, 21 August 2016 14:41Certainly could be a contributor. Looks like it has at least twice as many
screws holding it in place as originally fitted. That sealant also looks
like silicone sealer. If it is, I would suspect it even more. You need to
remove all traces of silicone sealer, and use something like 3M Marine
Adhesive Sealant # 5200. I personally use the fast cure formula. It sticks
very well to a variety of materials, and remains flexible in a huge
temperature range. Made just for what you are doing.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Aug 21, 2016 11:31 AM, "kelly stockwell" wrote:
> This is inline with the wet spot. Could it be the culprit? I've had a
> new vent in my shopping cart at amazon.
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/carpet-removal-2c-cork-
> replacement/p61181-img-9669.html
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| Re: [GMCnet] Carpet removal, cork replacement [message #305728 is a reply to message #305727] |
Sun, 21 August 2016 15:57 |
kstockwell
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Does the Rattle Trap also insulate? Is there anything that blocks sound and insulates?
If not, can someone here invent it?
k
PS okay, anyone use/or has heard of this?
( https://www.amazon.com/Self-Adhesive-Automotive-Deadening-Dampening-Insulation/dp/B01945Y106/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471813410&sr=8-1&keyw ords=noise+and+temperature+insulation)
BobDunahugh wrote on Sun, 21 August 2016 16:37There are products that help to reduce heat, and sound. The one I used was a product that's called Rattle Trap. Very simple to install. Then covered that with a foam backed carpet. As I felt that the foam backing had to help in both areas. Very pleased with the results. Money well spent. The main floor will have a floating wood looking vinyl planking. This produce was selected for it's resistance to water damage. As to seats. I prefer fabric covered power seats with both arm rest. I had been looking for that type of seats at different places. Then I realized that I had been setting in that seat for 251,000 miles in my 98 GMC Safari van. Both front seats were in great shape. Pulled them out, and cleaned them. Drilled 4 holes, and connected the 2 wires. I understand that the going charge at the salvage yards is about $25. Seen lots of these seats in good shape.
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| Re: [GMCnet] carpet removal, cork replacement [message #305799 is a reply to message #305724] |
Mon, 22 August 2016 09:10 |
Keith V
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Ive been getting good at finding leaks, down to 1 :D
The smallest of hairline cracks will suck water inside like a fire hose, it's amazing.
And I'm with Jim B, no plastic, metal doesn't crack ( as easy )
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> The covers Jim shows look like black plastic. But that's interesting!
> thanks for the info.
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> I'm not sure when the shower trap thing changed. Happy to report I have no leaks from my shower drain project.
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> kelly
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> wally wrote on Sun, 21 August 2016 15:29
>> kstockwell wrote on Sun, 21 August 2016 13:30
>>> This is inline with the wet spot. Could it be the culprit? I've had a new vent in my shopping cart at amazon.
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>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/carpet-removal-2c-cork-replacement/p61181-img-9669.html
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>> I've had those plastic vent covers crack after a few years. It seems they can't take being formed to fit the curvature of the roof and crack
>> later. Jim Bounds posted pics of metal covers like these.
>> http://www.gmccoop.com/gmc-motorhome-water-leaks-continued/
>> and
>> https://www.amazon.com/Ventline-V2084-Metal-Plumbing-Vent/dp/B000778LCA
>> I've got one metal cover installed and waiting for the other plastic to give out again.
>> I notice the shower trap cover is squared on your coach, ours made in Feb 1975 is round. Wonder when that changed?
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| Re: [GMCnet] carpet removal, cork replacement [message #305993 is a reply to message #305799] |
Fri, 26 August 2016 07:14 |
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So, I'm wondering if plastic sheeting between the wood subfloor and the click flooring is a good idea. Don't I want the sub floor to be able to breathe/dry out? And do I want the beer I spill to sit in a puddle under the click flooring on top of the plastic sheeting?
Will the Kilz create a good enough water barrier?
I'm assuming there will be spills and leaks durning the lifetime of the flooring (whatever that is). So it seems that allowing air/moisture to travel through sub flooring/flooring is a good idea. The carpet I ripped out showed obvious water stains from water leaks, spills etc but no real rot. The last thing I think I want to do is seal in water and allow rot.
Basically, here's what I'm reading from various websites.
Floating Floor Installations When installing laminate or other floating floors over cement, VCT, ceramic tiles, or kitchen vinyl, use 6 mil poly sheeting plastic as the moisture barrier. Omit plastic when covering bare wood subfloors thereby allowing the subfloor to breathe.
Don't install an impermeable moisture barrier over a wood subfloor. This could trap moisture in the subfloor, possibly causing rot and leading to health and structural problems.
Do Not Use a Vapor Barrier "Retarder" on Wood Sub Floors
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| Re: [GMCnet] carpet removal, cork replacement [message #305994 is a reply to message #305993] |
Fri, 26 August 2016 07:33 |
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The original oil based Kiltz is a effective water barrier. I do not know if the latex based product does as well. I have used it for basement walls and over wood flooring. When I finally remove GMC carpeting, this will be the first thing towards recovering the floor.
Tom, MS II
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| Re: [GMCnet] carpet removal, cork replacement [message #305998 is a reply to message #305994] |
Fri, 26 August 2016 09:41 |
James Hupy
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The subfloor is either 3/4" or 1" plywood. Not very expensive considering
the amount involved. It it fails, after 40 years, it might have to be
considered expendable, like brake pads and rotors. Just my take on it. Your
opinions might vary a bit.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Aug 26, 2016 5:34 AM, "Thomas Phipps" wrote:
> The original oil based Kiltz is a effective water barrier. I do not know
> if the latex based product does as well. I have used it for basement walls
> and over wood flooring. When I finally remove GMC carpeting, this will be
> the first thing towards recovering the floor.
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| Re: [GMCnet] carpet removal, cork replacement [message #305999 is a reply to message #305998] |
Fri, 26 August 2016 10:26 |
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I think I'll consider the oil based Kilz i bought a good enough barrier. I may run plastic sheeting around the edges and up under the trimboards- but leave the majority of the sub floor painted in Kilz bare to the flooring.
I'm in no rush, hoping to get the floor level and painted Saturday, start laying flooring the following weekend
kelly
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Putney VT
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| Re: [GMCnet] carpet removal, cork replacement [message #306004 is a reply to message #305999] |
Fri, 26 August 2016 10:45 |
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I have done several carpet to Pergo style floor replacements. Other than cleaning up the floor I see no value in painting the floor or putting plastic down. When installing Pergo, which I use the brand name, the underlayment is a thin rubber pad with a plastic moisture barrier on the back, the Pergo flooring is a floating style floor with gaps around the edges to allow for expansion. In the first installation I did not use an underpaid. On the smooth floor it work just as well.
I have albums for 2 different installations. The first is the 77 coach which I had put ceramic tile in the Kitchen and bath hall. Debated on leaving the tile as it was still in very good condition, but it was easier to install the new flooring from front to back. It was a pain to remove the tile as it was stuck well to the floor and I had to beat it with a 3# hammer to remove it.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5344-pergo-floor-install.html
The second Album is of the Stretch coach installation.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5976-pergo-floor-install-stretch.html
A lot of info in the picture captions
JR Wright
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GMCMI
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1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 11:26 AM, kelly stockwell wrote:
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> I think I'll consider the oil based Kilz i bought a good enough barrier. I may run plastic sheeting around the edges and up under the trimboards- but
> leave the majority of the sub floor painted in Kilz bare to the flooring.
>
> I'm in no rush, hoping to get the floor level and painted Saturday, start laying flooring the following weekend
>
> kelly
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| Re: [GMCnet] carpet removal, cork replacement [message #306012 is a reply to message #306004] |
Fri, 26 August 2016 14:19 |
kstockwell
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Just when I think I've found all the albums of renovations.. thank you!
powerjon wrote on Fri, 26 August 2016 11:45I have done several carpet to Pergo style floor replacements. Other than cleaning up the floor I see no value in painting the floor or putting plastic down. When installing Pergo, which I use the brand name, the underlayment is a thin rubber pad with a plastic moisture barrier on the back, the Pergo flooring is a floating style floor with gaps around the edges to allow for expansion. In the first installation I did not use an underpaid. On the smooth floor it work just as well.
I have albums for 2 different installations. The first is the 77 coach which I had put ceramic tile in the Kitchen and bath hall. Debated on leaving the tile as it was still in very good condition, but it was easier to install the new flooring from front to back. It was a pain to remove the tile as it was stuck well to the floor and I had to beat it with a 3# hammer to remove it.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5344-pergo-floor-install.html
The second Album is of the Stretch coach installation.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5976-pergo-floor-install-stretch.html
A lot of info in the picture captions
JR Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMC Eastern States Charter Member
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMCMI
78 GMC Buskirk 30' Stretch
1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 11:26 AM, kelly stockwell wrote:
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> I think I'll consider the oil based Kilz i bought a good enough barrier. I may run plastic sheeting around the edges and up under the trimboards- but
> leave the majority of the sub floor painted in Kilz bare to the flooring.
>
> I'm in no rush, hoping to get the floor level and painted Saturday, start laying flooring the following weekend
>
> kelly
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| Re: [GMCnet] carpet removal, cork replacement [message #306013 is a reply to message #306012] |
Fri, 26 August 2016 14:47 |
powerjon
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Kelly,
Setting up the floor layout and starting points takes the longest time, about 4 to 6 hours+. Finishing the laydown a couple of hours. If you have any question please email.
JR
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 3:19 PM, kelly stockwell wrote:
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> Just when I think I've found all the albums of renovations.. thank you!
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> powerjon wrote on Fri, 26 August 2016 11:45
>> I have done several carpet to Pergo style floor replacements. Other than cleaning up the floor I see no value in painting the floor or putting
>> plastic down. When installing Pergo, which I use the brand name, the underlayment is a thin rubber pad with a plastic moisture barrier on the back,
>> the Pergo flooring is a floating style floor with gaps around the edges to allow for expansion. In the first installation I did not use an
>> underpaid. On the smooth floor it work just as well.
>>
>> I have albums for 2 different installations. The first is the 77 coach which I had put ceramic tile in the Kitchen and bath hall. Debated on
>> leaving the tile as it was still in very good condition, but it was easier to install the new flooring from front to back. It was a pain to remove
>> the tile as it was stuck well to the floor and I had to beat it with a 3# hammer to remove it.
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5344-pergo-floor-install.html
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>> The second Album is of the Stretch coach installation.
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5976-pergo-floor-install-stretch.html
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>>
>> A lot of info in the picture captions
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>> JR Wright
>> GMC Great Laker MHC
>> GMC Eastern States Charter Member
>> GMCGL Tech Editor
>> GMCMI
>> 78 GMC Buskirk 30' Stretch
>> 1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
>> Michigan
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>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 11:26 AM, kelly stockwell wrote:
>>>
>>> I think I'll consider the oil based Kilz i bought a good enough barrier. I may run plastic sheeting around the edges and up under the
>>> trimboards- but
>>> leave the majority of the sub floor painted in Kilz bare to the flooring.
>>>
>>> I'm in no rush, hoping to get the floor level and painted Saturday, start laying flooring the following weekend
>>>
>>> kelly
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>>> Putney VT
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