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John Heslinga
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I've made up my mind and well into the exercise. I going to install some Alure vinyl plank click type flooring in the coach. I have come to a set of decisions to make but have no information to use so Im looking for the experience of the hive Please!!
The flooring is pretty heavy and will take the water that sometimes finds it's way into the coach. With some subflooring the floor rivits and voids in the original floor is now very smooth and ready for the planking. I've removed the dinner table and benches (this is a 74 so does not have flex steel) and day couch from the front so that I can place the flooring under everything and then reinstall the furniture. The furniture will be screwed down to the floor when it gets installed.
I expect that the flooring will expand and contract in the range of temperatures my coach will be exposed to. (Very cold in storage -40 to however hot it would get in my travels) . Those changes in dimension would certainly need accommodation. A full floating floor would evenly change its dimension so leaving space around the perimeter seems logical. A floor to wall transition also would be appropriate I would expect. I am just not sure how much expansion room I would need and how much I should cover the perimeter to allow for the contraction.
I also wonder at how the anchoring at the furniture will affect the changes in dimension.
Will it pull apart the joints or buckle somewhere in a way that it would look ugly??
I have an idea to put the furniture on spacers that are bolted to the subfloor through oversized holes in the flooring giving the flooring the opertunity to move below the furniture. But I'm not sure if Im overthinking this or is it a legitimate concern..
Whats your experience and advice on this install?
John and Cathie Heslinga
1974 Canyonlands 260
455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS,
Red Seal Journeyman, DTE, BEd. MEd.
Edmonton, Alberta
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| Re: Alure Vinyl plank click flooring advice please [message #302905 is a reply to message #302899] |
Fri, 01 July 2016 07:21  |
Chuck and Lureen
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Location: West Michigan
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I used the same type of tongue and groove premium vinyl plank that you are considering. I left room for expansion everywhere, using spacers under all furniture mounts by using a hole saw to cut holes in the vinyl and in a slightly thicker spacer material (I used some Plexiglas material from my scrap bin). The kerf space created by the hole saw teeth gave me the desired expansion allowance for the fully floating flooring system. Quarter round trim around the perimeter to allow expansion allowance. Works great!
Chuck and Lureen Mullally
West Michigan
1975 Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] Alure Vinyl plank click flooring advice please [message #302908 is a reply to message #302899] |
Fri, 01 July 2016 09:54 |
GMC.LES
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7 years ago I installed a similar allure vinyl flooring with the "peel & stick" adhesive joints in my basement. I have a couple of areas where the joints have opened 1/8" due to the fact that I have some very heavy furniture (large aquariums) preventing the floor from "floating". I have not seen any signs of buckling from expansion, just the effects of shrinkage. My basement remains between 70-80°F all year long.
Because of the enormous temp swings that your coach will see, Ideally you should install the flooring during a mid-range temp period so that you help avoid large expansion/shrinkage issues. Since you appear to be installing it in the summer, I would fit the perimeters a bit tighter than usual and plan for lots of shrinkage during the cold. Because of this, I would not bolt your furniture direct to the floor, but rather to stand-offs that allow for lots of movement.
Other than the expansion issues, the floor appears to be quite robust.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 12:20 AM, John Heslinga wrote:
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> I've made up my mind and well into the exercise. I going to install some Alure vinyl plank click type flooring in the coach. I have come to a set of
> decisions to make but have no information to use so Im looking for the experience of the hive Please!!
>
> The flooring is pretty heavy and will take the water that sometimes finds it's way into the coach. With some subflooring the floor rivits and voids
> in the original floor is now very smooth and ready for the planking. I've removed the dinner table and benches (this is a 74 so does not have flex
> steel) and day couch from the front so that I can place the flooring under everything and then reinstall the furniture. The furniture will be screwed
> down to the floor when it gets installed.
>
> I expect that the flooring will expand and contract in the range of temperatures my coach will be exposed to. (Very cold in storage -40 to however
> hot it would get in my travels) . Those changes in dimension would certainly need accommodation. A full floating floor would evenly change its
> dimension so leaving space around the perimeter seems logical. A floor to wall transition also would be appropriate I would expect. I am just not
> sure how much expansion room I would need and how much I should cover the perimeter to allow for the contraction.
>
> I also wonder at how the anchoring at the furniture will affect the changes in dimension.
> Will it pull apart the joints or buckle somewhere in a way that it would look ugly??
>
> I have an idea to put the furniture on spacers that are bolted to the subfloor through oversized holes in the flooring giving the flooring the
> opertunity to move below the furniture. But I'm not sure if Im overthinking this or is it a legitimate concern..
>
> Whats your experience and advice on this install?
> --
> John and Cathie Heslinga
> 1974 Canyonlands 260
> 455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS,
> Red Seal Journeyman, DTE, BEd. MEd.
> Edmonton, Alberta
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| Re: Alure Vinyl plank click flooring advice please [message #302911 is a reply to message #302905] |
Fri, 01 July 2016 10:25 |
Bullitthead
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The plastic that oil and antifreeze jugs are made from makes very good slippery washers or spacers or rubbing surfaces. Easy to customize to shape so it can can be hidden if desired. Also stops the squeaks.
Terry Kelpien
ASE Master Technician
73 Glacier 260
Smithfield, Va.
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| Re: Alure Vinyl plank click flooring advice please [message #302912 is a reply to message #302911] |
Fri, 01 July 2016 10:30 |
Bullitthead
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If you through bolt the furniture to the floor you can use a nut (and 2 fender washers)on top of the subfloor to space it above the floating floor and it will still be secure without binding the Alure flooring.
Terry Kelpien
ASE Master Technician
73 Glacier 260
Smithfield, Va.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Alure Vinyl plank click flooring advice please [message #302914 is a reply to message #302913] |
Fri, 01 July 2016 11:08 |
Bullitthead
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I would put 1 fender washer between the nut and the subfloor and tighten that down, then install the floating floor with a hole around the nut with about 1/8" or so clearance like you said, and the use another fender washer on top of the nut (on top of the floating floor) that would cover the hole and spread the load of the fastening point on the furniture. Main functional purpose of the washers is to stop the nut from digging into the subfloor or the furniture (spread the load). Of course, my way is more difficult as you have to correctly plot and drill the holes first and install the bolts (or threaded rod) from underneath the floor so you can tighten that nut down to make a solid mounting point. Should be a fender washer underneath the subfloor too.
Terry Kelpien
ASE Master Technician
73 Glacier 260
Smithfield, Va.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Alure Vinyl plank click flooring advice please [message #302916 is a reply to message #302899] |
Fri, 01 July 2016 12:13 |
Steve Jess
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Have you read the fine print that says Allure is not recommended for non-temperature controlled environments? They specifically mention RVs, as I recall.
Steve Jess - Tucson, AZ
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 22:20:24 -0600
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> From: rbeeper@hotmail.com
> Subject: [GMCnet] Alure Vinyl plank click flooring advice please
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> I've made up my mind and well into the exercise. I going to install some Alure vinyl plank click type flooring in the coach. I have come to a set of
> decisions to make but have no information to use so Im looking for the experience of the hive Please!!
>
> The flooring is pretty heavy and will take the water that sometimes finds it's way into the coach. With some subflooring the floor rivits and voids
> in the original floor is now very smooth and ready for the planking. I've removed the dinner table and benches (this is a 74 so does not have flex
> steel) and day couch from the front so that I can place the flooring under everything and then reinstall the furniture. The furniture will be screwed
> down to the floor when it gets installed.
>
> I expect that the flooring will expand and contract in the range of temperatures my coach will be exposed to. (Very cold in storage -40 to however
> hot it would get in my travels) . Those changes in dimension would certainly need accommodation. A full floating floor would evenly change its
> dimension so leaving space around the perimeter seems logical. A floor to wall transition also would be appropriate I would expect. I am just not
> sure how much expansion room I would need and how much I should cover the perimeter to allow for the contraction.
>
> I also wonder at how the anchoring at the furniture will affect the changes in dimension.
> Will it pull apart the joints or buckle somewhere in a way that it would look ugly??
>
> I have an idea to put the furniture on spacers that are bolted to the subfloor through oversized holes in the flooring giving the flooring the
> opertunity to move below the furniture. But I'm not sure if Im overthinking this or is it a legitimate concern..
>
> Whats your experience and advice on this install?
> --
> John and Cathie Heslinga
> 1974 Canyonlands 260
> 455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS,
> Red Seal Journeyman, DTE, BEd. MEd.
> Edmonton, Alberta
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| Re: [GMCnet] Alure Vinyl plank click flooring advice please [message #302917 is a reply to message #302916] |
Fri, 01 July 2016 12:35 |
emerystora
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Yes, I read that. That is due to possible shrinkage or expansion at temperature extremes. But my GMC is stored in a garage attached to the house so it doesn’t get extremely cold in the winter and when I am driving it the interior is heated.
I also put a piece in my freezer and measured the shrinkage and it was actually negligible. Even in a 20 foot room they still only suggest 1/8” clearance at the edge.
I am going to risk it and use it anyway.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Steve Jess wrote:
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> Have you read the fine print that says Allure is not recommended for non-temperature controlled environments? They specifically mention RVs, as I recall.
>
> Steve Jess - Tucson, AZ
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>> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 22:20:24 -0600
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> From: rbeeper@hotmail.com
>> Subject: [GMCnet] Alure Vinyl plank click flooring advice please
>>
>> I've made up my mind and well into the exercise. I going to install some Alure vinyl plank click type flooring in the coach. I have come to a set of
>> decisions to make but have no information to use so Im looking for the experience of the hive Please!!
>>
>> The flooring is pretty heavy and will take the water that sometimes finds it's way into the coach. With some subflooring the floor rivits and voids
>> in the original floor is now very smooth and ready for the planking. I've removed the dinner table and benches (this is a 74 so does not have flex
>> steel) and day couch from the front so that I can place the flooring under everything and then reinstall the furniture. The furniture will be screwed
>> down to the floor when it gets installed.
>>
>> I expect that the flooring will expand and contract in the range of temperatures my coach will be exposed to. (Very cold in storage -40 to however
>> hot it would get in my travels) . Those changes in dimension would certainly need accommodation. A full floating floor would evenly change its
>> dimension so leaving space around the perimeter seems logical. A floor to wall transition also would be appropriate I would expect. I am just not
>> sure how much expansion room I would need and how much I should cover the perimeter to allow for the contraction.
>>
>> I also wonder at how the anchoring at the furniture will affect the changes in dimension.
>> Will it pull apart the joints or buckle somewhere in a way that it would look ugly??
>>
>> I have an idea to put the furniture on spacers that are bolted to the subfloor through oversized holes in the flooring giving the flooring the
>> opertunity to move below the furniture. But I'm not sure if Im overthinking this or is it a legitimate concern..
>>
>> Whats your experience and advice on this install?
>> --
>> John and Cathie Heslinga
>> 1974 Canyonlands 260
>> 455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS,
>> Red Seal Journeyman, DTE, BEd. MEd.
>> Edmonton, Alberta
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Alure Vinyl plank click flooring advice please [message #302925 is a reply to message #302908] |
Fri, 01 July 2016 16:40 |
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USAussie
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G'day,
I like the idea of vinyl flooring mainly because it is easy to keep clean, however, I reckon it would be better to find a company
that would a large sheet to fit the entire interior in one piece without any seams. Then have carpets cut to fit areas where you
want carpeting and have them bound. To clean the floors you remove the carpets, sweep or Zifffer them and put the carpets back down.
When the carpets need cleaning you take them out, put them down on your driveway, spray them with water, sprinkle some laundry
detergent on them, and run your finger tips all over them to clean them then house them off and hang them up. When their dry put
them back in the GMC.
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Les Burt
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 12:55 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Alure Vinyl plank click flooring advice please
7 years ago I installed a similar allure vinyl flooring with the "peel & stick" adhesive joints in my basement. I have a couple of
areas where the joints have opened 1/8" due to the fact that I have some very heavy furniture (large aquariums) preventing the floor
from "floating". I have not seen any signs of buckling from expansion, just the effects of shrinkage. My basement remains between
70-80°F all year long.
Because of the enormous temp swings that your coach will see, Ideally you should install the flooring during a mid-range temp period
so that you help avoid large expansion/shrinkage issues. Since you appear to be installing it in the summer, I would fit the
perimeters a bit tighter than usual and plan for lots of shrinkage during the cold. Because of this, I would not bolt your
furniture direct to the floor, but rather to stand-offs that allow for lots of movement.
Other than the expansion issues, the floor appears to be quite robust.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 12:20 AM, John Heslinga wrote:
>
> I've made up my mind and well into the exercise. I going to install some Alure vinyl plank click type flooring in the coach. I
have come to a set of
> decisions to make but have no information to use so Im looking for the experience of the hive Please!!
>
> The flooring is pretty heavy and will take the water that sometimes finds it's way into the coach. With some subflooring the
floor rivits and voids
> in the original floor is now very smooth and ready for the planking. I've removed the dinner table and benches (this is a 74 so
does not have flex
> steel) and day couch from the front so that I can place the flooring under everything and then reinstall the furniture. The
furniture will be screwed
> down to the floor when it gets installed.
>
> I expect that the flooring will expand and contract in the range of temperatures my coach will be exposed to. (Very cold in
storage -40 to however
> hot it would get in my travels) . Those changes in dimension would certainly need accommodation. A full floating floor would
evenly change its
> dimension so leaving space around the perimeter seems logical. A floor to wall transition also would be appropriate I would
expect. I am just not
> sure how much expansion room I would need and how much I should cover the perimeter to allow for the contraction.
>
> I also wonder at how the anchoring at the furniture will affect the changes in dimension.
> Will it pull apart the joints or buckle somewhere in a way that it would look ugly??
>
> I have an idea to put the furniture on spacers that are bolted to the subfloor through oversized holes in the flooring giving the
flooring the
> opertunity to move below the furniture. But I'm not sure if Im overthinking this or is it a legitimate concern..
>
> Whats your experience and advice on this install?
> --
> John and Cathie Heslinga
> 1974 Canyonlands 260
> 455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS,
> Red Seal Journeyman, DTE, BEd. MEd.
> Edmonton, Alberta
>
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: Alure Vinyl plank click flooring advice please [message #302946 is a reply to message #302899] |
Sat, 02 July 2016 09:12 |
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John Heslinga
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Thanks for your input Everyone!!
I really appreciate your comments and this discussion. It has given me a number of ideas along with a bunch more insight.
After this kind of input I am much more confident in what I need to do to go ahead with my project. While there is expansion and contraction going on the overall distance is only very small in contrast to a large room in a home. I've decided to use a stand off stratigy and loose fit for the seat belt bolts and dinette furniture and totally isolate the couch on the drivers side. I'll fill in the couch floor area once it is installed.
Best Regards
John and Cathie Heslinga
1974 Canyonlands 260
455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS,
Red Seal Journeyman, DTE, BEd. MEd.
Edmonton, Alberta
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