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[GMCnet] Carter pump pressure [message #302148] Wed, 15 June 2016 18:43 Go to next message
Advanced Concept Ener is currently offline  Advanced Concept Ener   United States
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Newly installed Carter electric pump used to feed low pressure side of fuel supply for FiTech fuel injection is not developing any pressure on the low side gauge. I would have expected 5-7 psig at idle. Only get this when I start auxiliary tank pump which is in series and starts when tank switch is selected. All lines are new 3/8" and filter is new Summit replaceable cartridge type sized for at least twice the required full flow. It is mounted on suction side of pump. No kinks in fuel line I can see. Vane pump should deliver pressure even when dead headed against float in tank.
Anybody got any ideas. Haven't had it out on road yet to see if it is a problem at heavy throttle.

Jon Darcy ACES
North Jersey 76 stretch, flares, 4 bag, Alcoa's, bunkhouse,MAC Dash, FiTech FI
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Re: [GMCnet] Carter pump pressure [message #302150 is a reply to message #302148] Wed, 15 June 2016 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jhbridges is currently offline  jhbridges   United States
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The first Mr Gasket pump I installed - similar vane pump to the Carter - failed due to air ingestion which allwed the vanes to sieze and burn up the motor. Air ingestion was caused by the (supplied) filter which screwed into the inlet side of the pump. It failed by the seam where the filter body is swaged/crimped onto the threaded filter outlet fitting opening and allowing air into the inlet of the pump. When I installed the new pumps, I discarded the supplied filters made by the heathen chinee and replaced them with indentical ones made by Wix. They may also be chinese, but they're heavier and the swaged/crimped seam looks better. So far - 5K miles - they've worked. Note that, if the hoses feeding the filter inlet are not supported, they can vibrate and, given the shape of the filter, loosen the seam in time.

A design flaw i my opinion, which could be solved by using a male and female threaded push on hose adaptor so the filter could be fitted with flexible hose at each end rather than being hard supported at only the pump end. If either of my filters should begin to leak at the seam, that's what I'd do. I propose to point this out to the new owner of the coach, whomever s/he may be.

--johnny


Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
Re: [GMCnet] Carter pump pressure [message #302153 is a reply to message #302150] Wed, 15 June 2016 20:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Another quirk of the 4070 Carter pump is that it is VERY polarity
conscious. The + symbol and the - symbol are stamped into the body of the
pump and look identical due to their connection pins and covered
conductors. I have hooked them up backwards by mistake, and they don't like
it one bit. Somethin' to check.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Jun 15, 2016 6:09 PM, "Johnny Bridges via Gmclist" <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> The first Mr Gasket pump I installed - similar vane pump to the Carter -
> failed due to air ingestion which allwed the vanes to sieze and burn up the
> motor. Air ingestion was caused by the (supplied) filter which screwed
> into the inlet side of the pump. It failed by the seam where the filter
> body
> is swaged/crimped onto the threaded filter outlet fitting opening and
> allowing air into the inlet of the pump. When I installed the new pumps, I
> discarded the supplied filters made by the heathen chinee and replaced
> them with indentical ones made by Wix. They may also be chinese, but
> they're
> heavier and the swaged/crimped seam looks better. So far - 5K miles -
> they've worked. Note that, if the hoses feeding the filter inlet are not
> supported, they can vibrate and, given the shape of the filter, loosen the
> seam in time.
>
> A design flaw i my opinion, which could be solved by using a male and
> female threaded push on hose adaptor so the filter could be fitted with
> flexible
> hose at each end rather than being hard supported at only the pump end.
> If either of my filters should begin to leak at the seam, that's what I'd
> do.
> I propose to point this out to the new owner of the coach, whomever s/he
> may be.
>
> --johnny
> --
> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and
> add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
>
> "Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my
> dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
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Re: [GMCnet] Carter pump pressure [message #302158 is a reply to message #302150] Wed, 15 June 2016 22:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GMC Cruse is currently offline  GMC Cruse   United States
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Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 15 June 2016 21:08
The first Mr Gasket pump I installed - similar vane pump to the Carter - failed due to air ingestion which allwed the vanes to sieze and burn up the motor. Air ingestion was caused by the (supplied) filter which screwed into the inlet side of the pump. It failed by the seam where the filter body is swaged/crimped onto the threaded filter outlet fitting opening and allowing air into the inlet of the pump. When I installed the new pumps, I discarded the supplied filters made by the heathen chinee and replaced them with indentical ones made by Wix. They may also be chinese, but they're heavier and the swaged/crimped seam looks better. So far - 5K miles - they've worked. Note that, if the hoses feeding the filter inlet are not supported, they can vibrate and, given the shape of the filter, loosen the seam in time.

A design flaw i my opinion, which could be solved by using a male and female threaded push on hose adaptor so the filter could be fitted with flexible hose at each end rather than being hard supported at only the pump end. If either of my filters should begin to leak at the seam, that's what I'd do. I propose to point this out to the new owner of the coach, whomever s/he may be.

--johnny


I just replaced the not even year old Mr. Gasket pump on my Onan last weekend for the exact same reason. Went with a Facet pump this time.


Mike K. '75 PB Southeast Michigan
Re: [GMCnet] Carter pump pressure [message #302160 is a reply to message #302148] Wed, 15 June 2016 23:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
armandminnie is currently offline  armandminnie   United States
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My question would be: was the pump working with the carburetor or is it new
with the installation of the FiTech system which, of course, includes the
Command Center? Is the Carter pump running? Did you prime the Command
Center?

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Advanced Concept Energy Solutions <
aces4nrg@gmail.com> wrote:

> Newly installed Carter electric pump used to feed low pressure side of
> fuel supply for FiTech fuel injection is not developing any pressure on the
> low side gauge. I would have expected 5-7 psig at idle. Only get this when
> I start auxiliary tank pump which is in series and starts when tank switch
> is selected. All lines are new 3/8" and filter is new Summit replaceable
> cartridge type sized for at least twice the required full flow. It is
> mounted on suction side of pump. No kinks in fuel line I can see. Vane pump
> should deliver pressure even when dead headed against float in tank.
> Anybody got any ideas. Haven't had it out on road yet to see if it is a
> problem at heavy throttle.
>
> Jon Darcy ACES
> North Jersey 76 stretch, flares, 4 bag, Alcoa's, bunkhouse,MAC Dash,
> FiTech FI
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Re: [GMCnet] Carter pump pressure [message #302214 is a reply to message #302160] Thu, 16 June 2016 18:10 Go to previous message
jimk is currently offline  jimk   United States
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Just return it and warranty it and get another.
If you lost the receipt, call me and I'll send you a new one and charge you
for freight only and return the defective one.
Don't care where you purchased it , as long as it does not look 10 years
old.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Armand Minnie wrote:

> My question would be: was the pump working with the carburetor or is it new
> with the installation of the FiTech system which, of course, includes the
> Command Center? Is the Carter pump running? Did you prime the Command
> Center?
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Advanced Concept Energy Solutions aces4nrg@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Newly installed Carter electric pump used to feed low pressure side of
>> fuel supply for FiTech fuel injection is not developing any pressure on
> the
>> low side gauge. I would have expected 5-7 psig at idle. Only get this
> when
>> I start auxiliary tank pump which is in series and starts when tank
> switch
>> is selected. All lines are new 3/8" and filter is new Summit replaceable
>> cartridge type sized for at least twice the required full flow. It is
>> mounted on suction side of pump. No kinks in fuel line I can see. Vane
> pump
>> should deliver pressure even when dead headed against float in tank.
>> Anybody got any ideas. Haven't had it out on road yet to see if it is a
>> problem at heavy throttle.
>>
>> Jon Darcy ACES
>> North Jersey 76 stretch, flares, 4 bag, Alcoa's, bunkhouse,MAC Dash,
>> FiTech FI
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