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Lithium Iron phosphate (LifePO) house batteries [message #301016] Mon, 23 May 2016 07:39 Go to next message
RF_Burns is currently offline  RF_Burns   Canada
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I came across this full-timing couple and their write-up on their expreiences with LifePO batteries.
http://www.technomadia.com/2015/02/living-the-lithium-lifestyle-3-5-year-lithium-rv-battery-update/
Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries are not the same as lithium Ion batteries that have all the safety concerns.
They are claimed to be safer than lead-acid with many advantages.
-easy charging requirements
-Fast charging (3 hours or less)
-Light weight (100Ahr @ 12V weighs about 30lbs)
-80% depth of charge (compare to 50% and less for SLA)
-2000+ charge cycles
-does not need to be kept at full charge
-high rates for discharge allowed with little loss of charge capacity

Only thing against them is they cannot be charged when below 0C and cost (about $680 for 100Ahr 12V)
I installed a new set of two 6 volt golf cart batteries (made in USA) in spring 2013. This spring the measured capacity was 63A/hrs so I pulled them. I run a all electric fridge so I know I pulled them below 50% a few times. Pulling a lead acid below 50% charge really shortens their life.

Opinions/experiences?


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Re: Lithium Iron phosphate (LifePO) house batteries [message #301030 is a reply to message #301016] Mon, 23 May 2016 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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RF_Burns wrote on Mon, 23 May 2016 08:39
I came across this full-timing couple and their write-up on their expreiences with LifePO batteries.
http://www.technomadia.com/2015/02/living-the-lithium-lifestyle-3-5-year-lithium-rv-battery-update/
Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries are not the same as lithium Ion batteries that have all the safety concerns.
They are claimed to be safer than lead-acid with many advantages.
-easy charging requirements
-Fast charging (3 hours or less)
-Light weight (100Ahr @ 12V weighs about 30lbs)
-80% depth of charge (compare to 50% and less for SLA)
-2000+ charge cycles
-does not need to be kept at full charge
-high rates for discharge allowed with little loss of charge capacity

Only thing against them is they cannot be charged when below 0C and cost (about $680 for 100Ahr 12V)
I installed a new set of two 6 volt golf cart batteries (made in USA) in spring 2013. This spring the measured capacity was 63A/hrs so I pulled them. I run a all electric fridge so I know I pulled them below 50% a few times. Pulling a lead acid below 50% charge really shortens their life.

Opinions/experiences?

Having just delivered a pair of AGM golf cart batteries, that price is about the same, but the weight sure isn't.

Unfortunately, the cost is still about 5X that if FLA.

I'm waiting.

Matt


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Re: Lithium Iron phosphate (LifePO) house batteries [message #301051 is a reply to message #301030] Tue, 24 May 2016 05:08 Go to previous message
Handyman is currently offline  Handyman   Netherlands
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Hello,

I found the following item, all prefabricated and containing of an integrated, Booster, Charger and Inverter (230Volts) as an 12V 100 Amp LiFePO4 batteriesystem:

There is a german/danish (?) company who builds complete systems for ambulances, RV's policecommandcars etc, that looks very convienient, no installing problems, ready for use and swapable, even 50 Amp charger, about 45 Amp booster, 1500 Watt inverter (at 230V), with even higher peak values,
(Nice for running the AC for a short time perhaps)
Even starting aid, auto switching from "Land-DC"to "Bord-DC" if connected through the unit, so all included, oké for the US-market you have to order perhaps a 120v system, but beside that, not bad for that price.
(About 2250 EURO .... at the rate of today, about 2500$)

http://www.leab.eu/en.html

http://www.leab.eu/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_LPS-Lithium-Power-Supply_83190c983b.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaoYZe6SuQE
Interesting Youtube-link to the unit I mentioned above

http://www.leab.eu/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_LPS-All-in-One_EN_7602644896.jpg

Another very interesting PDF, especially for the GMC combining starter and housebattery can be connected over de LPS unit, with an easy extra to order part, see the manuel:
http://www.claytonpower.com/fileadmin/downloads/LPS/LPS_Compact_Manual_Shortform.pdf

The 230V won't be a problem since those things can be altered quit easy by a factorie if there is a US/Canadian market for it.

Bye and have a nice day, Daniel


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