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Fri, 29 April 2016 11:39  |
glwgmc
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Hi Richard,
I pitched mine a dozen years ago and have never seen any evidence of water, rocks, birds, mud or anything else getting onto the engine. All gain and no pain from my POV.
Jerry
Jerry Work
The Dovetail Joint
Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building in historic Kerby, OR
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Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:42:28 -0600
From: RJW
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel Liner Repair
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Mr ERFisher wrote on Fri, 29 April 2016 09:19
> I took mine out forever
What happens to the motor etc. without the protection of the wheel liners when you are driving in the rain or on a muddy back road to a campground?
If no problem, then it sure would make under hood maintenance simpler without the liners.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel Liner Repair [message #299884 is a reply to message #299869] |
Fri, 29 April 2016 15:38  |
sgltrac
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I remember reading here awhile back that the fender liners aid in cooling
the engine by drawing air through the engine bay. Cannot find the thread
however....
Sully
77 Royale
Seattle
On Friday, April 29, 2016, Gerald Work wrote:
> Hi Richard,
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> I pitched mine a dozen years ago and have never seen any evidence of
> water, rocks, birds, mud or anything else getting onto the engine. All
> gain and no pain from my POV.
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> Jerry
> Jerry Work
> The Dovetail Joint
> Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic Temple
> building in historic Kerby, OR
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> glwork@mac.com
> http://jerrywork.com
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:42:28 -0600
> From: RJW
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel Liner Repair
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> Mr ERFisher wrote on Fri, 29 April 2016 09:19
>> I took mine out forever
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> What happens to the motor etc. without the protection of the wheel liners
> when you are driving in the rain or on a muddy back road to a campground?
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> If no problem, then it sure would make under hood maintenance simpler
> without the liners.
> --
> Richard
> 76 Palm Beach
> SE Michigan
> www.PalmBeachGMC.com
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Seattle, Wa.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel Liner Repair [message #299887 is a reply to message #299884] |
Fri, 29 April 2016 16:08 |
jimk
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My main concern is that the plywood floor seem not coated
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
> I remember reading here awhile back that the fender liners aid in cooling
> the engine by drawing air through the engine bay. Cannot find the thread
> however....
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> Sully
> 77 Royale
> Seattle
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> On Friday, April 29, 2016, Gerald Work wrote:
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>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> I pitched mine a dozen years ago and have never seen any evidence of
>> water, rocks, birds, mud or anything else getting onto the engine. All
>> gain and no pain from my POV.
>>
>> Jerry
>> Jerry Work
>> The Dovetail Joint
>> Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic
> Temple
>> building in historic Kerby, OR
>>
>> glwork@mac.com
>> http://jerrywork.com
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:42:28 -0600
>> From: RJW
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel Liner Repair
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>> Mr ERFisher wrote on Fri, 29 April 2016 09:19
>>> I took mine out forever
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>> What happens to the motor etc. without the protection of the wheel liners
>> when you are driving in the rain or on a muddy back road to a campground?
>>
>> If no problem, then it sure would make under hood maintenance simpler
>> without the liners.
>> --
>> Richard
>> 76 Palm Beach
>> SE Michigan
>> www.PalmBeachGMC.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel Liner Repair [message #299895 is a reply to message #299869] |
Fri, 29 April 2016 19:08 |
Ken Burton
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I have also have had mine out since my 2006 engine fire. I have not trace of vapor lock ever. In my opinion engine cooling is better with them out. I also do not have or need the fender vents that some have installed.
The biggest reason mine were left off is during my fire it was impossible to get to the top of the engine with a fire extinguisher. So after the repairs I left them off.
We got up a very muddy road going to a missile site in North Dakota last fall. Everything under the coach was caked in mud back to the rear gas tank. While there was some mud around the wheel area, it was not any where as bad as the rest of the coach. I believe the rain we drove through on the way home washed away most of the mud in the wheel areas.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel Liner Repair [message #299924 is a reply to message #299869] |
Sat, 30 April 2016 10:30 |
jhbridges
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I've simply been too lazy to put mine back since torture testing the cooling system repairs. I see no problems inside the engione copmpartment from leaving them out. Should I get motivated I'll put them back.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel Liner Repair [message #299954 is a reply to message #299943] |
Sat, 30 April 2016 21:33 |
Ken Henderson
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David,
I'm afraid that damage would have occurred regardless of the presence of
the wheel well liners. It results from poor sealing of the seams between
the flooring and the sidewalls. Yours isn't particularly bad, sad to say.
I do think it's important to seal the floor underneath, regardless of
whether the liners are installed. Mine are painted with an asphalt based
aluminum roof sealant, then covered with "duct board", a aluminized kraft
paper covered fiberglass insulation.
While I split my liners down the middle, the purpose was to make it
possible to R&R them with my permanently installed fender flares. If I
were advising anyone to make a similar mod today, I'd say remove only the
inner 1/3 or 1/4 of the liner, leaving most of the floor protection, but
exposing the engine for cooling an accessibility.
JWID,
Ken H.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 7:49 PM, David Morrison wrote:
> be prepared for this kind of damage on the wood flooring/steps, the
> previous owner of mine removed them and i found this damage ....
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> http://s3.photobucket.com/user/DavidLive/media/1974%20GMC%20Motorhome/IMAG0265.jpg.html
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> 1974 G-M-C Painted Desert #136
> "Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car, understeer
> is when you hit the wall with the front of the car. Hp is how fast you hit
> the wall, and torque is how far you take the wall with you when you hit
> it."
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel Liner Repair [message #299959 is a reply to message #299869] |
Sat, 30 April 2016 22:47 |
davidlive
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that makes sense ken, I figured it was water being splashed up by the wheel due to the piece that showed the most rot was the wall of the step where it was broken though at rather then the step itself.
78 Royal #749
74 #136
Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car, understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car. Hp is how fast you hit the wall, and torque is how far you take the wall with you when you hit it.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel Liner Repair [message #300013 is a reply to message #299869] |
Mon, 02 May 2016 08:52 |
rjw
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glwgmc wrote on Fri, 29 April 2016 12:39Hi Richard,
I pitched mine a dozen years ago and have never seen any evidence of water, rocks, birds, mud or anything else getting onto the engine. All gain and no pain from my POV.
Jerry
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:42:28 -0600
From: RJW
What happens to the motor etc. without the protection of the wheel liners when you are driving in the rain or on a muddy back road to a campground?
Well maybe I should consider running without liners for a while and see what happens. There does not seem to be as much a downside to it as I first thought.
Richard
76 Palm Beach
SE Michigan
www.PalmBeachGMC.com
Roller Cam 455, TBI+EBL, 3.42 FD, 4 Bag, Macerator, Lenzi (brakes, vacuum system, front end stuff), Manny Tranny, vacuum step, Tankless + OEM water heaters.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel Liner Repair [message #300023 is a reply to message #300013] |
Mon, 02 May 2016 10:30 |
Bullitthead
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You might want to make sure the cockpit floor to body junction is sealed before heading out into the rain with no fender liners. I had about 3/4 inch gap between the two with dried up crunchy old sealer just hanging on for the ride. Allowed lots of fumes and noise to enter the interior. Cleaned it out, epoxy/glass repaired the floor rot, and filled the gap with minimal expanding foam in a can ("crack filler"). What a difference in noise and fumes! And not just the fumes from MY 40+ year-old engine, the repair stopped all the other vehicle's and various other outside/highway odors from instantly invading the interior through those gaps.
I had run around a few short trips with the liners out before this, and then reinstalled them before I repaired the gaps and water damaged-floor, and they did make a difference in the road noise coming through those gaps. They also reduced the amount of sand thrown on to the engine and chassis, especially on the driver's side. However, my driveway is 1/4 mile of sand and rocks, so if you are always on clean roads you may not see as much debris buildup. I DID notice a lot more engine heat escaping out the wheel arches when the coach was stationary with the liners removed.
Terry Kelpien
ASE Master Technician
73 Glacier 260
Smithfield, Va.
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