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| [GMCnet] The Engine of Mischief is For Sale [message #297851] |
Tue, 22 March 2016 12:58  |
Sara Robinson
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It’s been a long time since I checked into this list, but some of you may recall the Engine of Mischief. It’s a 1976 Eleganza that was completely re-done by Jim Bounds in 2002. We haven’t used it in a few years, and it’s time to let her go.
The Engine has been in storage in Portland, OR. We’re now living in Seattle, and haven’t visited in a while, but are planning to make a trip down in the next couple of weeks to take stock of the situation and clean her up for sale.
I’m putting the call out to any Cascaders who’d like to stop by on that date (as yet unchosen) and help us make that assessment. At the very least, we’re expecting she’s gonna be full of mice and wasps, batteries dead, all tires needing replaced, and the usual stuff that happens when you let a coach sit too long. Known mechanical issues beyond that include one bogie that needs replacing (that we know of), a macerator that needs attention, and some funky stuff with the brake lines.
Other than that, she was a great restoration, with a newly-rebuilt 454, aluminum wheels, and lots of custom extras inside. It would be great to get her into the hands of someone who’d get her back out on the road. Some photos of the restoration here:
Let me know if you’re interested in dropping by and helping us figure out her current status — or would like to discuss the possibility of buying her for your very own.
Sara Robinson
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Engine of Mischief is For Sale [message #297855 is a reply to message #297851] |
Tue, 22 March 2016 13:51  |
jhbridges
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Some photos where? And, 454 (Tonowanda Turd) or Olds 455?
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Engine of Mischief is For Sale [message #297862 is a reply to message #297859] |
Tue, 22 March 2016 16:26 |
Carl S.
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Sara,
The link does not show up for me either. Not in the forum or on the email digest.
Carl Stouffer
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Engine of Mischief is For Sale [message #297863 is a reply to message #297851] |
Tue, 22 March 2016 16:50 |
jhbridges
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Sara, the 455 cubic engine made by Oldsmobile is the engine that it was built with. A conversion to a Chevrolet 454 cubic inch engine is somewhat less desirable. Have one of theCascaders take a look and post what's actually there. The 454 CID is called a 'Tonowanda Turd' because it isn't/wasn't the most reliable thing GM ever built. A 454 would be an engine swap, meaning there will be some several non-standard parts in the coach. Additionally, some folks - myself included - feel the 454 is not as well built or reliable as the original engine. Consequently, it's important to know which engine is in the coach.
There is no link showing up in the Forum posts.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Engine of Mischief is For Sale [message #297865 is a reply to message #297863] |
Tue, 22 March 2016 17:07 |
Sara Robinson
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Yeah, I know — and I knew all about it once upon a time, but it’s been a decade since I had to know it, so it’s fallen off the brain stack. (It’s all been replaced with info about Lycoming aircraft engines, because my RVs of choice these days come with wings.)
It’s a stock engine, so it’s probably the Olds. The first one was reliable as rain until it threw a rod going over the pass into Jackson Hole. The shop in Idaho Falls swapped it out for a rebuild. Wasn’t the 455 a really popular stock car racing engine at one point? If it was, that’s the one we have, because we bought the rebuilt one from a shop that catered to that market.
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist wrote:
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> Sara, the 455 cubic engine made by Oldsmobile is the engine that it was built with. A conversion to a Chevrolet 454 cubic inch engine is somewhat
> less desirable. Have one of theCascaders take a look and post what's actually there. The 454 CID is called a 'Tonowanda Turd' because it
> isn't/wasn't the most reliable thing GM ever built. A 454 would be an engine swap, meaning there will be some several non-standard parts in the
> coach. Additionally, some folks - myself included - feel the 454 is not as well built or reliable as the original engine. Consequently, it's
> important to know which engine is in the coach.
> There is no link showing up in the Forum posts.
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> --johnny
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> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit
> Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Engine of Mischief is For Sale [message #297875 is a reply to message #297870] |
Tue, 22 March 2016 20:33 |
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Nice coach......hope the years have not been too hard on it.
Pete
Sara Robinson wrote on Tue, 22 March 2016 21:11Since about 2006.
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist wrote:
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> That link worked, and the engine pictured is in fact an Oldsmobile 455CID engine, which is what belongs in it. How long has the coach been sitting?
> Indoors or out?
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> As an aside, in another life I worked for Mac's in Elomre AL, I expect I've seen the inside of substantially more Lycs and Continentals than you've
> flown behind  Long ago and far away.
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> --johnny
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> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit
> Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Engine of Mischief is For Sale [message #297877 is a reply to message #297851] |
Tue, 22 March 2016 21:14 |
bdub
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Hi Sara
Glad to see you here after a way too long hiatus. Has the coach been
stored inside?
bdub
On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Sara Robinson
wrote:
> It’s been a long time since I checked into this list, but some of you may
> recall the Engine of Mischief. It’s a 1976 Eleganza that was completely
> re-done by Jim Bounds in 2002. We haven’t used it in a few years, and it’s
> time to let her go.
>
> The Engine has been in storage in Portland, OR. We’re now living in
> Seattle, and haven’t visited in a while, but are planning to make a trip
> down in the next couple of weeks to take stock of the situation and clean
> her up for sale.
>
> I’m putting the call out to any Cascaders who’d like to stop by on that
> date (as yet unchosen) and help us make that assessment. At the very least,
> we’re expecting she’s gonna be full of mice and wasps, batteries dead, all
> tires needing replaced, and the usual stuff that happens when you let a
> coach sit too long. Known mechanical issues beyond that include one bogie
> that needs replacing (that we know of), a macerator that needs attention,
> and some funky stuff with the brake lines.
>
> Other than that, she was a great restoration, with a newly-rebuilt 454,
> aluminum wheels, and lots of custom extras inside. It would be great to get
> her into the hands of someone who’d get her back out on the road. Some
> photos of the restoration here: http://www.enginesofmischief.com/engine/remodel5.html>
>
> Let me know if you’re interested in dropping by and helping us figure out
> her current status — or would like to discuss the possibility of buying her
> for your very own.
>
> Sara Robinson
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Engine of Mischief is For Sale [message #297881 is a reply to message #297877] |
Tue, 22 March 2016 21:49 |
Sara Robinson
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Unfortunately, no.
Keep the questions coming. This is the kind of stuff we’re going to try to get answered when we go check it out. We’re not inclined to fix it up much before selling it; but the next owner should know as much as possible about what s/he is getting into.
Certainly, it’s a better bet than starting with an original coach. There’s a lot of good stuff on board, some of which would be expensive to add. But there’s going to be 10 years of parked-coach issues, too.
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:14 PM, Billy Massey wrote:
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> Hi Sara
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> Glad to see you here after a way too long hiatus. Has the coach been
> stored inside?
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> bdub
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> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Sara Robinson
> wrote:
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>> It’s been a long time since I checked into this list, but some of you may
>> recall the Engine of Mischief. It’s a 1976 Eleganza that was completely
>> re-done by Jim Bounds in 2002. We haven’t used it in a few years, and it’s
>> time to let her go.
>>
>> The Engine has been in storage in Portland, OR. We’re now living in
>> Seattle, and haven’t visited in a while, but are planning to make a trip
>> down in the next couple of weeks to take stock of the situation and clean
>> her up for sale.
>>
>> I’m putting the call out to any Cascaders who’d like to stop by on that
>> date (as yet unchosen) and help us make that assessment. At the very least,
>> we’re expecting she’s gonna be full of mice and wasps, batteries dead, all
>> tires needing replaced, and the usual stuff that happens when you let a
>> coach sit too long. Known mechanical issues beyond that include one bogie
>> that needs replacing (that we know of), a macerator that needs attention,
>> and some funky stuff with the brake lines.
>>
>> Other than that, she was a great restoration, with a newly-rebuilt 454,
>> aluminum wheels, and lots of custom extras inside. It would be great to get
>> her into the hands of someone who’d get her back out on the road. Some
>> photos of the restoration here: > http://www.enginesofmischief.com/engine/remodel5.html>
>>
>> Let me know if you’re interested in dropping by and helping us figure out
>> her current status — or would like to discuss the possibility of buying her
>> for your very own.
>>
>> Sara Robinson
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Engine of Mischief is For Sale [message #297901 is a reply to message #297851] |
Wed, 23 March 2016 09:10 |
jhbridges
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Wild guess:
new tires ~~$900
New batteries - depending on house setup - 500
drop tanks, clean, replace all hoses - $500 (?)
All engine vacuum lines and cooling hoses $200
brake lines, proportioning valve,wheel cylinders, calipers 1,000
All belts 100
Oil and filter 30
trans filter, fluid, gasket 100
So, ~~ $3 Large to make it run and stop assuming the internals are good. At which point it could go home and begin fixing/replacing whatever ten years of weather has bothered. Somebody on the Left Coast needs to pick it up and rehab it to the condition it was in when it was parked.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Engine of Mischief is For Sale [message #297918 is a reply to message #297851] |
Wed, 23 March 2016 12:18 |
jhbridges
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Which makes it worthwhile to do brakes, fluids, tanks, filters, hoses. Less investment there than the value increase of the coach. If it has leaked rain, however, all bets are off, cos all that beautiful woodwork has to come out for floor replacement.
==johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Engine of Mischief is For Sale [message #297922 is a reply to message #297901] |
Wed, 23 March 2016 12:31 |
Sara Robinson
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You’ve assessed the situation pretty much the way we have. It was a $100K rehab back in the day. Most of that goodness is still there, but it’s going to take a bit of investment in time and money to bring her back.
We’re not hoping to get back even a small fraction of that, so even insane offers will be at least momentarily entertained. It’s going to be a great deal for the right buyer.
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 7:10 AM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist wrote:
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> Wild guess:
>
> new tires ~~$900
> New batteries - depending on house setup - 500
> drop tanks, clean, replace all hoses - $500 (?)
> All engine vacuum lines and cooling hoses $200
> brake lines, proportioning valve,wheel cylinders, calipers 1,000
> All belts 100
> Oil and filter 30
> trans filter, fluid, gasket 100
>
> So, ~~ $3 Large to make it run and stop assuming the internals are good. At which point it could go home and begin fixing/replacing whatever ten
> years of weather has bothered. Somebody on the Left Coast needs to pick it up and rehab it to the condition it was in when it was parked.
>
> --johnny
>
>
> --
> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit
> Braselton, Ga.
>
> "Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Engine of Mischief is For Sale [message #297933 is a reply to message #297851] |
Wed, 23 March 2016 16:56 |
jhbridges
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I wish it was closer to here than there.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Engine of Mischief is For Sale [message #297959 is a reply to message #297851] |
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Sara, I tried to contact you offnet but your email server wouldn't accept
it. Please let me know how to get in touch with you.
bdub
bdub@bdub.net
On Mar 22, 2016 12:59 PM, "Sara Robinson" wrote:
> It’s been a long time since I checked into this list, but some of you may
> recall the Engine of Mischief. It’s a 1976 Eleganza that was completely
> re-done by Jim Bounds in 2002. We haven’t used it in a few years, and it’s
> time to let her go.
>
> The Engine has been in storage in Portland, OR. We’re now living in
> Seattle, and haven’t visited in a while, but are planning to make a trip
> down in the next couple of weeks to take stock of the situation and clean
> her up for sale.
>
> I’m putting the call out to any Cascaders who’d like to stop by on that
> date (as yet unchosen) and help us make that assessment. At the very least,
> we’re expecting she’s gonna be full of mice and wasps, batteries dead, all
> tires needing replaced, and the usual stuff that happens when you let a
> coach sit too long. Known mechanical issues beyond that include one bogie
> that needs replacing (that we know of), a macerator that needs attention,
> and some funky stuff with the brake lines.
>
> Other than that, she was a great restoration, with a newly-rebuilt 454,
> aluminum wheels, and lots of custom extras inside. It would be great to get
> her into the hands of someone who’d get her back out on the road. Some
> photos of the restoration here: http://www.enginesofmischief.com/engine/remodel5.html>
>
> Let me know if you’re interested in dropping by and helping us figure out
> her current status — or would like to discuss the possibility of buying her
> for your very own.
>
> Sara Robinson
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Engine of Mischief is For Sale [message #297974 is a reply to message #297959] |
Thu, 24 March 2016 13:03 |
Sara Robinson
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Anybody with any business relating to this coach (or who just wants to say hi!) can e-mail me directly at sara@sararobinson.net.
Sara Robinson, MS, APF
sara@sararobinson.net
@sararobinson
www.sararobinson.net
> On Mar 24, 2016, at 5:58 AM, Billy Massey wrote:
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> Sara, I tried to contact you offnet but your email server wouldn't accept
> it. Please let me know how to get in touch with you.
> bdub
> bdub@bdub.net
> On Mar 22, 2016 12:59 PM, "Sara Robinson" wrote:
>
>> It’s been a long time since I checked into this list, but some of you may
>> recall the Engine of Mischief. It’s a 1976 Eleganza that was completely
>> re-done by Jim Bounds in 2002. We haven’t used it in a few years, and it’s
>> time to let her go.
>>
>> The Engine has been in storage in Portland, OR. We’re now living in
>> Seattle, and haven’t visited in a while, but are planning to make a trip
>> down in the next couple of weeks to take stock of the situation and clean
>> her up for sale.
>>
>> I’m putting the call out to any Cascaders who’d like to stop by on that
>> date (as yet unchosen) and help us make that assessment. At the very least,
>> we’re expecting she’s gonna be full of mice and wasps, batteries dead, all
>> tires needing replaced, and the usual stuff that happens when you let a
>> coach sit too long. Known mechanical issues beyond that include one bogie
>> that needs replacing (that we know of), a macerator that needs attention,
>> and some funky stuff with the brake lines.
>>
>> Other than that, she was a great restoration, with a newly-rebuilt 454,
>> aluminum wheels, and lots of custom extras inside. It would be great to get
>> her into the hands of someone who’d get her back out on the road. Some
>> photos of the restoration here: > http://www.enginesofmischief.com/engine/remodel5.html>
>>
>> Let me know if you’re interested in dropping by and helping us figure out
>> her current status — or would like to discuss the possibility of buying her
>> for your very own.
>>
>> Sara Robinson
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