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Mon, 14 March 2016 14:17 |
Dennis S
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Nancy
Our first rally was an FMCA event.
The coach parked next to us had the transmission lock in park and had to call for a mechanic.
The coach two over had the genturi melt down overnight.
And the president was late arriving because the steering in his new $750k coach went out and he arrived on the hook,
It was also the first time I heard a GMC referred to as a disposable cioach. The SOB owner explained (before I took offense) that if he could buy a nice GMC for $25k, that was less than he would lose a year in depreciation on his big box.
Dennis
Nancy White wrote on Mon, 14 March 2016 13:04I have no idea if there will be any interest here about this subject, but
this video popped up when I was watching you tube.. makes me more an more
happy we got a GMC, and avoided the heartbreak of new rv purchase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP_u2JR51_Y
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Nancy White 1976 GMC Glenbrook Classic Coach
Westminster, Maryland juice.plus.nancy@gmail.com
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Re: [GMCnet] a lawyer talks about buying an rv... [message #297345 is a reply to message #297341] |
Mon, 14 March 2016 16:38 |
k2gkk
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Well, I don't consider a GMC MH disposable, but I may never get to use mine
as I had intended/hoped!
Apparently my engine is pretty much toast with a bad lower end. We lost
cooling on the way home from the Shawnee rally.
I guess that's somewhere in the neighborhood of a hickey of $10,000 or more!
Then there's the added cost of having the coach hauled !,000 miles or more
to somewhere capable of doing the job right!
Onan the Barbarian is spilling its oil, but I suspect the leak is at the oil
filter bracket and I have bought the parts to fix that.
Both OEM A/Cs work and the steering isn't apparently as bad as some of the
stories I've read here!
I think that the plumbing leaks are now fixed thanks to Rob Mueller's help when
he and Helen visited us at home a couple of years back.
Fuel filter inlet on the carb is stripped, but experienced mechanic neighbor
and carb rebuilder is going to remove the filter and use JB Weld to secure the
inlet and stop the leak.
I have a new toilet to install and also an on-demand propane water heater to be
installed. Fridge seems to have problems and blows the 5 Amp fuse, but I have
an all-electric fridge/freezer removed from my boat that was totaled that should
fit in the existing space.
Tires are (were new) 16 inch BFGs on Rock Star XD alloy wheels (very handsome).
I had a Paterson Stage 2 engine ordered but hadn't found a capable installer so
okayed the shipment of that engine to Appie or Espen (can't remember which) to
get him going in Europe.
Sigh!!!
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> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 13:17:30 -0600
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> Nancy
> Our first rally was an FMCA event.
> The coach parked next to us had the transmission lock in park and had to call for a mechanic.
> The coach two over had the genturi melt down overnight.
> And the president was late arriving because the steering in his new $750k coach went out and he arrived on the hook,
>
> It was also the first time I heard a GMC referred to as a disposable cioach. The SOB owner explained (before I took offense) that if he could buy a
> nice GMC for $25k, that was less than he would loose a year in depreciation on his big box.
>
> Dennis
>
> Nancy White wrote on Mon, 14 March 2016 13:04
>> I have no idea if there will be any interest here about this subject, but
>> this video popped up when I was watching you tube.. makes me more an more
>> happy we got a GMC, and avoided the heartbreak of new rv purchase.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP_u2JR51_Y
>>
>> --
>> Nancy White 1976 GMC Glenbrook Classic Coach
>> Westminster, Maryland > > juice.plus.nancy@gmail.com
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Re: [GMCnet] a lawyer talks about buying an rv... [message #297352 is a reply to message #297339] |
Mon, 14 March 2016 19:44 |
Ken Henderson
Messages: 8726 Registered: March 2004 Location: Americus, GA
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Every potential RV buyer, especially a new motorhome buyer, should be
required to watch that video. It might winnow out a lot of potential
buyers, but at least it gets across that they're complex machines with
concomitant problems. Too bad he hasn't had some GMC exposure so he'd
perhaps recommend them. :-)
The "New or Renovate" YouTube piece that follows his was a disappointment ;
I could only take 15 of their almost 1 hour of talking about their 62 GMC
bus. It would be nice if someone would do a GMC renovation presentation.
As many know, I've done just about everything one can do to a 23' GMC, some
of it (engines!) several times. I still maintain that my total cost is
little more than the first year depreciation on the '97 40' diesel pusher
we bought new at the Tampa RV show -- a year that I spent "finishing the
assembly".
Ken H.
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Nancy White
wrote:
> I have no idea if there will be any interest here about this subject, but
> this video popped up when I was watching you tube.. makes me more an more
> happy we got a GMC, and avoided the heartbreak of new rv purchase.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP_u2JR51_Y
>
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] a lawyer talks about buying an rv... [message #297439 is a reply to message #297339] |
Wed, 16 March 2016 01:32 |
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John Heslinga
Messages: 632 Registered: February 2011 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Hey Mac!! I know this was not the purpose of your post, but I noticed that you were planning on permanently bonding your fuel filter fitting due to stripped threads. Ive used a few of these self tapping filter fittings and O-Ring expansion fittings for stripped fittings in my career successfully. It may save having to do such drastic solution as bonding it. Have you looked into them? While they are a good replacemet and I've installed them as stock, but I've also put a Short filter housing with no filter and put an in-line filter in the space that I needed to cut and extend the fuel line. (You will be doing the same if you bond the fitting. May I suggest putting in a short if you do)
Call them directly because they are pretty helpful. And there are othet options including the installing Helicoil threads in you body for you. (the absolute best option if you ask me) Quadrajetparts.com
The fittings page is here check out the 3 pages of options.
http://quadrajetparts.com/mobile/quadrajet-inlet-fittings-mc-128_27.html?redirectCancelled=true
Check the descriptions of these options.
http://quadrajetparts.com/mobile/self-tapping-inlet-fitting-long-mp-132.html
http://quadrajetparts.com/mobile/ring-inlet-repair-fitting-mp-382.html
Best regards
John and Cathie Heslinga
1974 Canyonlands 260
455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS,
Red Seal Journeyman, DTE, BEd. MEd.
Edmonton, Alberta
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Re: [GMCnet] a lawyer talks about buying an rv... [message #297446 is a reply to message #297439] |
Wed, 16 March 2016 08:30 |
Justin Brady
Messages: 769 Registered: April 2015 Location: Bell Buckle, TN
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Very informative video.
I am of the opinion that if you have to take your RV to the dealer to repair a plumbing problem, or to figure out why your AC isn't working you shouldn't own an RV.
I am constantly in awe of the things that people cannot do on their own. Things like unclogging a sink, or replacing a faucet, or flipping a breaker. If you are incapable of fixing things on your own, you should expect to pay out the ass to have things done for you.
I understand that on a 200K RV i'd be pretty pissed if something didn't work, but 11/12 months at the dealer and I'd just fix the damn thing and be done with it.
Justin Brady
http://www.thegmcrv.com/
1976 Palm Beach 455
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Re: [GMCnet] a lawyer talks about buying an rv... [message #297452 is a reply to message #297339] |
Wed, 16 March 2016 08:59 |
jhbridges
Messages: 8412 Registered: May 2011 Location: Braselton ga
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'Apparently my engine is pretty much toast with a bad lower end. We lost
cooling on the way home from the Shawnee rally. '
Love the DigiPanel. When the oil pressure sensor went Dixie, the alarm went off and I sidelined the coach and then looked. Dash gauge kicking to high and panel going to low indicated a failing sensor (resistance going to infinite). Exactly the same as the first one when it failed, so I came on home. If they'd both said low or high, I would have investigated further, and perhaps saved an engine. I kept a close eye on temp the rest opf the way, it never wavered.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: [GMCnet] a lawyer talks about buying an rv... [message #297477 is a reply to message #297446] |
Wed, 16 March 2016 13:28 |
Olly Schmidt
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Justin,
> I am of the opinion that if you have to take your RV to the dealer to repair a plumbing problem, or to figure out why your AC isn't working you
> shouldn't own an RV.
Well, that would mean, I shouldn't own a house either. Lots of things in
there that I can't repair on my own. I shouldn't own a car. Lots of
things in there that I can't repair.
Sorry, but there are two types of people.
1) buy people's time to fix stuff for you
2) invest my own time to fix stuff
If you prefer 2) that's fine, but that doesn't mean people that do 1)
shouldn't own stuff. Nor should it be an excuse for dealers et al to NOT
behave honourable.
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Re: [GMCnet] a lawyer talks about buying an rv... [message #297478 is a reply to message #297477] |
Wed, 16 March 2016 15:12 |
Justin Brady
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Peer,
If a person owns a GMC and can't change the oil, or track down a plumbing leak, then I truly don't think they should own it.
That doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with paying someone to do something because you don't want to do it, that's perfectly understandable.
I have always changed my own oil, because I didn't want to spend the money to have it done. But there came a time where my time was worth more than the cost of the oil change. Now I have my oil changed at jiffy lube. Nothing wrong with that. But it's my personal opinion that if you CAN'T change your oil, you should learn how, or don't own a vehicle.
Again just an opinion.
Justin Brady
http://www.thegmcrv.com/
1976 Palm Beach 455
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Re: [GMCnet] a lawyer talks about buying an rv... [message #297479 is a reply to message #297339] |
Wed, 16 March 2016 15:30 |
jknezek
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I'm with Peer on this. You can choose to do your own work, or you can pay a lot of money for someone else to do it. I don't care if it is changing oil, changing a transmission, or redoing the inside of your coach. Personally I do my light maintenance and my house systems, but I farm out any real mechanical work. Throttle cable pops off the carb while on the interstate? That I can figure out and fix. Brake pads need replacing? Well, I've actually never done it. I'd pay my old mechanic to do it one Saturday and show me how. But when the front bearings needed doing? I'm happy to pay my guy that actually knows how to do something that I'll probably never need to do again (Lenzi's drilled and tapped).
You can be without mechanical knowledge and own and enjoy a GMC. You just have to pay a lot more to keep it running. That's a choice, and I wouldn't knock that anyone that makes that choice.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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Re: [GMCnet] a lawyer talks about buying an rv... [message #297533 is a reply to message #297478] |
Thu, 17 March 2016 10:58 |
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Matt Colie
Messages: 8547 Registered: March 2007 Location: S.E. Michigan
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SONICJK wrote on Wed, 16 March 2016 16:12Peer,
If a person owns a GMC and can't change the oil, or track down a plumbing leak, then I truly don't think they should own it.
That doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with paying someone to do something because you don't want to do it, that's perfectly understandable.
I have always changed my own oil, because I didn't want to spend the money to have it done. But there came a time where my time was worth more than the cost of the oil change. Now I have my oil changed at jiffy lube. Nothing wrong with that. But it's my personal opinion that if you CAN'T change your oil, you should learn how, or don't own a vehicle.
Again just an opinion.
Justin,
While I understand your position, it is, unfortunately, without basis.
You really need to go and read some of the general RV groups on line.
Questions like (nearly quotes):
"Why doesn't anything work when we unplug shore power?"
"Where are the fuses in a Winniebargo?" (No additional information was included.)
"There is no water coming out of the faucets!" (Again no additional information was included.)
I will admit that there are some people that should never be allowed out of the house without adult supervision. A GMC is a really no more difficult to maintain than any other Class A RV. But, there are way fewer shops that have any idea how to do it. This is more a factor of the vehicle age. When I was having running trouble with our 1965 Jeep Gladiator (230 OHC 6) I actually had someone ask what codes came up. (OBD was 30+ years away when she was built.)
Do I do most of my own work? Yes, I did get Dave Lenzi to do my front bearings, but I have watched him work and he may be more conscientious than I am. You will find very few of those, and if you do, you may not be able to get them to do anything for you - even for money. (Dave does expect to get paid, but I know what he does and what it would cost for me to get these things done and I don't know how he does it. Same with Manny.
Why have I done most of my own work for so many years? Because then I only have to get it done once.
One day at a rally, I was assisting Dan Gregg at diagnosing someone's electrical problem. We found it, it was a relatively simple issue once the correct data was collected. As we walked back to the center of the compound, Dan looked at me and said,"I hate to say this, but there are just some people that should not have GMCs." When you think of the GMC people here (I will not include some of the FB crowd) you will realize that there is a whole other end of that bell curve that is poorly represented here. (Thank God!)
If you ever have the opportunity, ask KenH why he traded the monster Class A (DP iirc) for a tiny GMC......
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Re: [GMCnet] a lawyer talks about buying an rv... [message #297551 is a reply to message #297533] |
Thu, 17 March 2016 15:35 |
Justin Brady
Messages: 769 Registered: April 2015 Location: Bell Buckle, TN
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Matt, I'm confused here.
It sounds like we are in agreement?
I didn't say they DON'T own RV's just that they shouldn't
Matt Colie wrote on Thu, 17 March 2016 10:58SONICJK wrote on Wed, 16 March 2016 16:12Peer,
If a person owns a GMC and can't change the oil, or track down a plumbing leak, then I truly don't think they should own it.
That doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with paying someone to do something because you don't want to do it, that's perfectly understandable.
I have always changed my own oil, because I didn't want to spend the money to have it done. But there came a time where my time was worth more than the cost of the oil change. Now I have my oil changed at jiffy lube. Nothing wrong with that. But it's my personal opinion that if you CAN'T change your oil, you should learn how, or don't own a vehicle.
Again just an opinion.
Justin,
While I understand your position, it is, unfortunately, without basis.
You really need to go and read some of the general RV groups on line.
Questions like (nearly quotes):
"Why doesn't anything work when we unplug shore power?"
"Where are the fuses in a Winniebargo?" (No additional information was included.)
"There is no water coming out of the faucets!" (Again no additional information was included.)
I will admit that there are some people that should never be allowed out of the house without adult supervision. A GMC is a really no more difficult to maintain than any other Class A RV. But, there are way fewer shops that have any idea how to do it. This is more a factor of the vehicle age. When I was having running trouble with our 1965 Jeep Gladiator (230 OHC 6) I actually had someone ask what codes came up. (OBD was 30+ years away when she was built.)
Do I do most of my own work? Yes, I did get Dave Lenzi to do my front bearings, but I have watched him work and he may be more conscientious than I am. You will find very few of those, and if you do, you may not be able to get them to do anything for you - even for money. (Dave does expect to get paid, but I know what he does and what it would cost for me to get these things done and I don't know how he does it. Same with Manny.
Why have I done most of my own work for so many years? Because then I only have to get it done once.
One day at a rally, I was assisting Dan Gregg at diagnosing someone's electrical problem. We found it, it was a relatively simple issue once the correct data was collected. As we walked back to the center of the compound, Dan looked at me and said,"I hate to say this, but there are just some people that should not have GMCs." When you think of the GMC people here (I will not include some of the FB crowd) you will realize that there is a whole other end of that bell curve that is poorly represented here. (Thank God!)
If you ever have the opportunity, ask KenH why he traded the monster Class A (DP iirc) for a tiny GMC......
Matt
Justin Brady
http://www.thegmcrv.com/
1976 Palm Beach 455
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