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Re: [GMCnet] Look what dumb ass did! [message #297433 is a reply to message #297370] Tue, 15 March 2016 23:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Phantom2 is currently offline  Phantom2   United States
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Rob, I saw this the other day It's a device someone has developed to minimize finger cuts. It's called SawStop. Do a web search for SawStop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiYoBbEZwlk


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Re: [GMCnet] Look what dumb ass did! [message #297443 is a reply to message #297433] Wed, 16 March 2016 08:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Phantom2 wrote on Wed, 16 March 2016 00:10
Rob, I saw this the other day It's a device someone has developed to minimize finger cuts. It's called SawStop. Do a web search for SawStop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiYoBbEZwlk

Phant,

Those were introduced about 4 years ago.
As soon as I heard about them, I researched them. There is no retro fit and the lowest priced unit was just about 2K$us.
If I had one I wouldn't mind the 70$ plus the blade cost when you set it off. I also have a 30$+ per deployment lifejacket.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Look what dumb ass did! [message #297445 is a reply to message #297443] Wed, 16 March 2016 08:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Justin Brady is currently offline  Justin Brady   United States
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Sawstop is a cool concept, but until they make it affordable it's never going to catch on.
I've got a buddy that runs a woodworking club/shop space rental kind of thing and he has a few of them, great for that environment.


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Re: [GMCnet] Look what dumb ass did! [message #297455 is a reply to message #297370] Wed, 16 March 2016 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't watch tv, but I read a quote from Mythbusters that covers exactly how I feel around tablesaws and I have been using them for 50 years
I would like to give you a very nice description/quote by Adam Savage from Mythbusters on this subject:

"The table saw is unique among all tools in that it terrifies me more than any other. I never use a table saw without picturing my fingers flying across the shop. I am not exaggerating even a little bit. I picture -no joke- somebody walking in the door unexpectedly and tripping and spilling a bucket full of marbles and grease, and all of a sudden I lose my footing and land my chest first on the table saw blade. Every time my hands are within a foot, every time my body is near a running table saw, I am constantly checking my center of gravity, my balance, and keeping both feet on the floor. I am moving so that I can get myself out of the way. I think about kickback. All of those things are running through my head. So because I have never lost that terror of the table saw - and I never want to lose it; The moment I feel comfortable in front of one is the day I am going to lose a pinky."


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Re: [GMCnet] Look what dumb ass did! [message #297456 is a reply to message #297370] Wed, 16 March 2016 09:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And routers scare me even more!


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Re: [GMCnet] Look what dumb ass did! [message #297457 is a reply to message #297455] Wed, 16 March 2016 09:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Justin Brady is currently offline  Justin Brady   United States
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HA!
That's great! My sentiments exactly.
I even have a large rubber mat in front of my table saw because I have that exact fear of slipping and landing chest/face first on the blade.


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Re: [GMCnet] Look what dumb ass did! [message #297461 is a reply to message #297443] Wed, 16 March 2016 09:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here at work, they purchased a SawStop table saw to replace a really nice older Rockwell 10" cabinet saw in the maintenance shop shortly after the SawStop technology hit the market. We have had the SawStop for at least 6-7 years now. The carpenters have had several close calls that triggered the mechanism. It saves fingers, but costs a new brake unit and a Freud blade each time. A small expense considering. I had a good look at the discarded brake and it is a specially designed block of spring-loaded aluminum that grabs the blade. The blade itself had bent and broken teeth from the violent crash into the brake unit.

The reason my employer purchased the SawStop saw was due to CSST (our Quebec safety agency) STRONGLY suggesting we get one. It apparently helps to keep our CSST insurance premiums a bit lower.

Over the years I have had a few close calls at home with both my table saw and my radial-arm saw. They were all caused by intention, impatience and rushing. Those close calls have luckily just been flesh wounds that have left minor scars as reminders. Now, each time I use a saw, I cringe as I recall those injuries to the point where the scars ache and throb with pain. It serves a strong reminder. Since my injuries, I now use a push stick and/or a featherboard where-ever possible to keep my appendages safely away from the blades. My personal saws are all 20-30 year old tech with no safety guards. They are dangerous and require full focus and zero distraction.

If I was rich, I'd have all the latest and greatest. Unfortunately my GMC will ensure that I'll never be rich, so I guess I just have to be careful! :)



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Re: [GMCnet] Look what dumb ass did! [message #297462 is a reply to message #297370] Wed, 16 March 2016 10:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>intent

I hear you. I am forever coming up with stupid ways to use spinning-blades-O-dismemberment to do tasks for which they were not intended. UNfortunately, they often work. I bought a couple of shapers and table sanders over the last 2 years and they have helped a lot with avoiding absolutely horrific methodology.

Saw-terror is a BIG reason I've owned gmc-tools since the day they hit the market.


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Re: [GMCnet] Look what dumb ass did! [message #297463 is a reply to message #297461] Wed, 16 March 2016 10:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a Rockwell/Delta 10" table saw, all cast iron, a Craftsman Radial
Arm Saw, A Rockwell Chop saw, and a 2 horsepower Craftsman Skill saw. In
addition, I have 2 different Recriprocating Demolition saws, and a Very
high quality Milwaulkee scroll saw. The one that scares me the most is the
very powerful Radial Arm saw. I have had it climb out of the cut on a rip
operation and attempt to travel back over the top towards me. It happens so
fast, no human being can react in time to avoid it. I had a very strong
(death grip) on the saw with my thumb on the on/off switch. It scared the
crap out of me, and I will took for twelve different ways to cut something
before I use the Radial Arm Saw. Be careful out there guys, it is a
dangerous world out there.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
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On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Les Burt wrote:

> Here at work, they purchased a SawStop table saw to replace a really nice
> older Rockwell 10" cabinet saw in the maintenance shop shortly after the
> SawStop technology hit the market. We have had the SawStop for at least 6-7
> years now. The carpenters have had several close calls that triggered the
> mechanism. It saves fingers, but costs a new brake unit and a Freud blade
> each time. A small expense considering. I had a good look at the discarded
> brake and it is a specially designed block of spring-loaded aluminum that
> grabs the blade. The blade itself had bent and broken teeth from the
> violent crash into the brake unit.
>
> The reason my employer purchased the SawStop saw was due to CSST (our
> Quebec safety agency) STRONGLY suggesting we get one. It apparently helps
> to keep our CSST insurance premiums a bit lower.
>
> Over the years I have had a few close calls at home with both my table saw
> and my radial-arm saw. They were all caused by intention, impatience and
> rushing. Those close calls have luckily just been flesh wounds that have
> left minor scars as reminders. Now, each time I use a saw, I cringe as I
> recall those injuries to the point where the scars ache and throb with
> pain. It serves a strong reminder. Since my injuries, I now use a push
> stick and/or a featherboard where-ever possible to keep my appendages
> safely away from the blades. My personal saws are all 20-30 year old tech
> with no safety guards. They are dangerous and require full focus and zero
> distraction.
>
> If I was rich, I'd have all the latest and greatest. Unfortunately my GMC
> will ensure that I'll never be rich, so I guess I just have to be careful!
> :)
>
>
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
> '75 Eleganza 26'
> The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
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Re: [GMCnet] Look what dumb ass did! [message #297464 is a reply to message #297463] Wed, 16 March 2016 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, Radial arm saws are a death trap IMO. The saw should NEVER turn so that it comes toward you if something goes wrong. I HATE Radial arm saws.
Had a really big nice one that worked well, but they are just so scary and dangerous to me and my employees that I got rid of the damn thing. If your arm is in the way and the saw decides to come at you, bye bye arm.



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Re: [GMCnet] Look what dumb ass did! [message #297465 is a reply to message #297462] Wed, 16 March 2016 10:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Father's day last year I was cutting some .060 aluminum sheet on my Delta
10" Unisaw for door panels for the hod rod. The sheet kicked and my right
hand got cut. Went through the tendons on the top of my right index finger
and nicked the middle finger and the one next to it. Had to have hand
surgery. After several months of healing and therapy I have full strength
and motion but the finger is a bit bent. Unfortunately for cutting anything
conductive a SawStop does not work. Any wood that is wet will also trigger
the mechanism. There have been two lawsuits where workers have been awarded
damages from injuries on regular table saws because their companies knew
about SawStop and did not provide one for them. SawStop was invented by 1
woodworker and 5 lawyers. They have patents and have sued many companies
that have tried to implement their technology. They have lobbied
(unsuccessfully) here in CA to make SawStop mandatory in all woodshops.
However, since they are the only manufacturer the bill never made it out of
the legislature. Bosch will be releasing a version using pneumatic pistons
to drop the blade rather than use the soft aluminum cartridge to capture the
blade as SawStop does. However SawStop indicates they will sue as they have
a patent on "Flesh Sensing" technology.


Thanks,

Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA



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> intent

I hear you. I am forever coming up with stupid ways to use
spinning-blades-O-dismemberment to do tasks for which they were not
intended.
UNfortunately, they often work. I bought a couple of shapers and table
sanders over the last 2 years and they have helped a lot with avoiding
absolutely horrific methodology.

Saw-terror is a BIG reason I've owned gmc-tools since the day they hit the
market.
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Re: [GMCnet] Look what dumb ass did! [message #297467 is a reply to message #297370] Wed, 16 March 2016 11:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've a chop saw with a blade guard and such. It's still worthy of very great respect. It pulls the work toward the stop instead of towards the operator, I think all of them do.
Notice, >respect< as opposed to fear. I;m not afraid of power tools, but I have a great respect for them. It is the same respect for transmitters - two folks in the area and one hand in the pocket when there's high voltage exposed. The saw gets you short parts of your body, the transmitter gets you a box.

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Re: [GMCnet] Look what dumb ass did! [message #297493 is a reply to message #297464] Wed, 16 March 2016 18:21 Go to previous message
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A few years back there was a guy who had a 2x2 across his leg and was
cutting it with a circular saw. It bound up and than kicked back severing
an artery in his leg and he die from loss of blood.
Carelessness on his part.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Justin Brady wrote:

> Yes, Radial arm saws are a death trap IMO. The saw should NEVER turn so
> that it comes toward you if something goes wrong. I HATE Radial arm saws.
> Had a really big nice one that worked well, but they are just so scary and
> dangerous to me and my employees that I got rid of the damn thing. If your
> arm is in the way and the saw decides to come at you, bye bye arm.
>
>
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