| [GMCnet] Restoration. Moving the back genorator battery to the front. [message #295636] |
Wed, 17 February 2016 08:20  |
BobDunahugh
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Up front there is wasted space by the two batteries. And I need storage space at the rear. As the rear bath Royale's don't have a right rear storage area because of the bath tub. So if I get a 3 battery tray from Jim K at Applied. I can then make the rear battery area into a storage area. So here is my question. There are 2 big brass, round headed straight slot screws that are on the bottom of the generator base. Can I use one as a 12 volt positive, and the other as a negative battery terminals? I just can't see the top side.Bob Dunahugh78 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Moving the back genorator battery to the front. [message #295648 is a reply to message #295636] |
Wed, 17 February 2016 11:48  |
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Matt Colie
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BobDunahugh wrote on Wed, 17 February 2016 09:20 Up front there is wasted space by the two batteries. And I need storage space at the rear. As the rear bath Royale's don't have a right rear storage area because of the bath tub. So if I get a 3 battery tray from Jim K at Applied. I can then make the rear battery area into a storage area. So here is my question. There are 2 big brass, round headed straight slot screws that are on the bottom of the generator base. Can I use one as a 12 volt positive, and the other as a negative battery terminals? I just can't see the top side.
Bob Dunahugh78 Royale
Bob,
I don't know about Royales, but as a guy that is stuck with the house bank in the front, I envy those with it in the rear.
If I could have the house/APU set in the rear on a slide out tray (GMGR-80), I would do it in a heartbeat.
If you are currently carrying a single house battery in the front, I know what I would change right away.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Moving the back genorator battery to the front. [message #295649 is a reply to message #295636] |
Wed, 17 February 2016 12:08 |
rcjordan
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I have a Ragusa passenger-side, 3-battery tray on the Royale and just picked up a driver-side, 2-battery tray from Jeff to also be installed. This was mostly to make use of the storage space for oils & fluids but we're moving one of the 3 batteries over there so that the hold-down brackets work better.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
76 Eleganza
Elizabeth City, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Moving the back genorator battery to the front. [message #295704 is a reply to message #295649] |
Thu, 18 February 2016 17:44 |
Keith V
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i have a side bath royale and I removed the generator battery. I just use 2 batteies up front and the stock #4(?) cable that runs to the generator.
Works well, and I don't have to worry about charging the generator batt
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Moving the back genorator battery to the front. [message #295707 is a reply to message #295704] |
Thu, 18 February 2016 18:37 |
Jim Miller
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> On Feb 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Keith V wrote:
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> i have a side bath royale and I removed the generator battery. I just use 2 batteies up front and the stock #4(?) cable that runs to the generator.
> Works well, and I don't have to worry about charging the generator batt
What I worry about is that stock cable with its 40-year-old brittle plastic insulation that runs all the way from the front of the vehicle to the back- transiting through aluminum body ribs via carelessly drilled holes with sharp burrs on each side of them - and then surrounded with combustible sprayed-in insulation. Then there’s the battery hooked to one end of said cable which is capable of delivering hundreds of amps in the short-circuit condition that will result when one of those burrs works its way through to the cable's conductor….
There was a lot of scary stuff that I found (and remedied) inside the walls during the interior rebuild of my Eleganza. I’ve seen enough burned GMCs and SOBs that I worry a lot about such things and any time I think of changing the original design of a vehicle I always do a mental risk analysis exercise before proceeding with modifications.
--Jim Miller
1977 Eleganza II
1977 Royale
Hamilton, OH
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Moving the back genorator battery to the front. [message #295708 is a reply to message #295636] |
Thu, 18 February 2016 18:40 |
habbyguy
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My center kitchen Royale has an Onan Emerald Plus 6500, and (only) a #4 wire running to the house batteries up front. I never felt like there was any serious voltage drop across that fairly small wire when starting the generator, and the cable seemed to be capable of running the 12VDC load pretty well, too (the distribution panel had been moved back under the rear bed, when the PO converted it from a convertible dinette).
When I installed a 1000 watt inverter, I ran a combination of 1/0 and 2/0 cables to the rear, and now KNOW I don't have any voltage drop worth worrying about. FWIW, I left the #4 cable in place as well... more is better.
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Moving the back genorator battery tothe front. [message #295716 is a reply to message #295714] |
Thu, 18 February 2016 20:10 |
Jim Miller
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On Feb 18, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
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> I've gutted the Avion here and noted that there are plastic grommets in the aluminum uprights where the wires go through.
That is fantastic Rob - that’s a much better way of transiting the body ribs. All I can speak for is my particular GMC; as we’ve seen there were many different ways of doing things during the production run - not to mention differences in the GMC-upfitted units vs. the non-GMC ones. My Royale’s house electrical wiring is utterly deplorable compared to the Eleganza.
In the Eleganza I discovered not only that the front/back battery cable was routed through some dodgy areas but I also found 120V NM cables routed to the air conditioners in a similar dangerous fashion. I corrected what I found during the renovation!
--Jim Miller
1977 Eleganza II
1977 Royale
Hamilton, OH
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Moving the back genorator battery tothe front. [message #295719 is a reply to message #295716] |
Thu, 18 February 2016 23:26 |
jimk
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Jim,
I'm glad you brought up the concern of the old plastic cover on the
positive cable.
Shows me that there are things we do not see as an item we need to be
concerned.
Thank you.
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> On Feb 18, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Robert Mueller
> wrote:
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>> I've gutted the Avion here and noted that there are plastic grommets in
> the aluminum uprights where the wires go through.
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> That is fantastic Rob - that’s a much better way of transiting the body
> ribs. All I can speak for is my particular GMC; as we’ve seen there were
> many different ways of doing things during the production run - not to
> mention differences in the GMC-upfitted units vs. the non-GMC ones. My
> Royale’s house electrical wiring is utterly deplorable compared to the
> Eleganza.
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> In the Eleganza I discovered not only that the front/back battery cable
> was routed through some dodgy areas but I also found 120V NM cables routed
> to the air conditioners in a similar dangerous fashion. I corrected what I
> found during the renovation!
>
>
> --Jim Miller
> 1977 Eleganza II
> 1977 Royale
> Hamilton, OH
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Moving the back genoratorbattery tothe front. [message #295724 is a reply to message #295716] |
Fri, 19 February 2016 05:34 |
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USAussie
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Jim,
Twenty six foot Avions sold from over $25K in 1975, maybe they were built a bit better.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Moving the back genoratorbattery tothe front.
On Feb 18, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
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> I've gutted the Avion here and noted that there are plastic grommets in the aluminum uprights where the wires go through.
That is fantastic Rob - that's a much better way of transiting the body ribs. All I can speak for is my particular GMC; as we've
seen there were many different ways of doing things during the production run - not to mention differences in the GMC-upfitted units
vs. the non-GMC ones. My Royale's house electrical wiring is utterly deplorable compared to the Eleganza.
In the Eleganza I discovered not only that the front/back battery cable was routed through some dodgy areas but I also found 120V NM
cables routed to the air conditioners in a similar dangerous fashion. I corrected what I found during the renovation!
--Jim Miller
1977 Eleganza II
1977 Royale
Hamilton, OH
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
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