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| Re: [GMCnet] Wouldn't it be cool if GM followed VW? [message #295056 is a reply to message #295054] |
Thu, 04 February 2016 17:29   |
Olly Schmidt
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Am 05.02.2016 um 00:25 schrieb Robert Mueller:
> Bob,
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> Quite frankly I'm not surprised at all; you're paying German wage scales!
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Considering that one of the successor of the T1, the T5 in my garage had
an MSRP of around 75k, 100k for renovating a much cooler car doesn't
sound too obscene :D
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wouldn't it be cool if GM followed VW? [message #295061 is a reply to message #295056] |
Thu, 04 February 2016 18:05 |
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Peer,
100,000.00 EUR = 111,980.14 USD
Check the prices for these vans on The Samba:
Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/z7hqtg4
Full URL:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?submit=yes&keywords=Bus&type=text&stype=all&username=&yearfrom=&yearto=& pricefrom=
&priceto=&model%5B%5D=§ion%5B%5D=5§ion%5B%5D=7§ion%5B%5D=55&wanted=hide&zip=&zipdist=0&state%5B%5D=&am p;usaregion=&country=&
sort=price&sort_order=DESC&submitButton=Search
A hundred grand plus puts you in the 23 window class which fetch top dollar!
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Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
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Am 05.02.2016 um 00:25 schrieb Robert Mueller:
> Bob,
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> Quite frankly I'm not surprised at all; you're paying German wage scales!
>
Considering that one of the successor of the T1, the T5 in my garage had
an MSRP of around 75k, 100k for renovating a much cooler car doesn't
sound too obscene :D
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Peer Oliver Schmidt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wouldn't it be cool if GM followed VW? [message #295062 is a reply to message #295061] |
Thu, 04 February 2016 18:10 |
Olly Schmidt
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Am 05.02.2016 um 01:05 schrieb Robert Mueller:
> Peer,
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> 100,000.00 EUR = 111,980.14 USD
>
> Check the prices for these vans on The Samba:
>
> Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/z7hqtg4
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> A hundred grand plus puts you in the 23 window class which fetch top dollar!
>
Looking at Samba pricing tells me, that Volkswagen renovation prices
aren't that outrages. I am pretty sure, the Volkswagen technicians
aren't producing results any worse than the stuff that's available on Samba.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wouldn't it be cool if GM followed VW? [message #295221 is a reply to message #295062] |
Mon, 08 February 2016 07:44 |
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mark grady
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A T-2, (or even T-3) is remarkably simpler to restore to these price levels
than a GMC. This market is hot right now.
Mark
N IN
'78 Kingsley
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Peer Oliver Schmidt
wrote:
> Am 05.02.2016 um 01:05 schrieb Robert Mueller:
>> Peer,
>>
>> 100,000.00 EUR = 111,980.14 USD
>>
>> Check the prices for these vans on The Samba:
>>
>> Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/z7hqtg4
>>
>> A hundred grand plus puts you in the 23 window class which fetch top
> dollar!
>>
>
> Looking at Samba pricing tells me, that Volkswagen renovation prices
> aren't that outrages. I am pretty sure, the Volkswagen technicians
> aren't producing results any worse than the stuff that's available on
> Samba.
>
> --
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> Peer Oliver Schmidt
> the internet company
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wouldn't it be cool if GM followed VW? [message #295222 is a reply to message #295221] |
Mon, 08 February 2016 07:50 |
Olly Schmidt
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mark,
> A T-2, (or even T-3) is remarkably simpler to restore to these price levels
> than a GMC. This market is hot right now.
Why do you think it is simpler to restore the VW transporters than it is
to restore a GMC?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wouldn't it be cool if GM followed VW? [message #295223 is a reply to message #295222] |
Mon, 08 February 2016 08:09 |
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Peer Oliver Schmidt wrote on Mon, 08 February 2016 08:50mark,
Why do you think it is simpler to restore the VW transporters than it is
to restore a GMC?
Fewer systems. A basic T2 or T3 has a single air cooled motor and a transmission. Engine heat? Yes, air conditioning? No. Now think of all the systems in a GMC motor home. Start with 2 engines, 2 air conditioning units, two electrical systems. All the house systems, the varying materials. The inside of a standard T2 or T3 is pretty simple with 2 or 3 rows of van seats. A GMC? 2 cockpit, 5 sofa type seats (depending on floorplan). Now consider exterior renovation. The simple size of a T2 or T3 has nothing on the amount of body work a GMC could need.
It's not even comparable in terms of complexity and hours of work. Of course a lot depends on the base condition of the vehicles, but generally speaking, a T2 or T3 VW van is pretty simple compared to a just about any motor home.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wouldn't it be cool if GM followed VW? [message #295224 is a reply to message #295222] |
Mon, 08 February 2016 08:08 |
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mark grady
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I agree that the cosmetics and rarity of the transporters are driving part
of the jump in values. Seam rust is a demon. But electrically, much
simpler, the engines are very simple - even a late T-3 with Digifant. Lots
of suppliers for parts in ranges of prices. Some VW parts are made of
unobtainium.
The GMC has a lot of moving parts and sub-systems (water, waste, generator,
HVAC, electrical, appliances) They benefit from strong support groups,and
well intended (but inexperienced) previous owners make restoration
interesting.
I like them all, each for different reasons.
Mark
N IN
'78 Kingsley
'74 type 181 (Thing)
'91 type 3 (Vanagon GL weekender)
'96 RMW (Roadmaster Wagon)
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Peer Oliver Schmidt
wrote:
> mark,
>> A T-2, (or even T-3) is remarkably simpler to restore to these price
> levels
>> than a GMC. This market is hot right now.
>
> Why do you think it is simpler to restore the VW transporters than it is
> to restore a GMC?
>
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> Best regards
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> Peer Oliver Schmidt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wouldn't it be cool if GM followed VW? [message #295245 is a reply to message #295222] |
Mon, 08 February 2016 17:53 |
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Peer,
Unless it is a VW Camper there are no house systems and even if it is a camper the systems in the camper are FAR simpler than the
GMC.
My Dad had a VW Camper that Helen and I borrowed for a tour of the western USA back in the 1990's we only used the camping features
a few times and stayed at motels because the camping features were really rudimentary.
For the record I spent just over $14,000 USD to restore my Dad's T-3. It was fender off / on chassis restoration. In my opinion
doing a concours restoration on a VW is nuts UNLESS it is a VERY rare model.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
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From: Peer Oliver Schmidt
mark,
> A T-2, (or even T-3) is remarkably simpler to restore to these price levels > than a GMC. This market is hot right now.
Why do you think it is simpler to restore the VW transporters than it is to restore a GMC?
Peer
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