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[GMCnet] Restoration.What parts of the 78, should I put on the 73. [message #293885] |
Fri, 15 January 2016 11:53 |
BobDunahugh
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I have everything under the floor. Including the Onan, to the bottom of the windshield. Absolutely untouched by the fire. Not even a trace of soot or smoke. So I have a lot of 78 parts that could be used as upgrades on the 73 that the dog dragged home. NOT ME of course. As my answer to Linda. Yesterday was very nice out. In the upper 30's. So I put the GMC convertible up on stands, in the drive so I could pull the alum rims with new tires, gas tanks, bumpers, new exhaust, exhaust heat shields next to the gas tanks, ( Mine were bolted to the floor) and cut the body/ floor to the right of the engine. The cut was in prep of removing the front of the body next. Got all that done in about 2.5 hrs. Then went inside the shop to do the same thing to the mouse house. ( Except cutting the body. ) That was another 2 hrs. Time, Time, Time. It just takes so much of it. The 1- 1/2 year old alum rims with tires are going on the 73. With new rims now coming from Jim K at Applied. Then more new tires to be put on the Mouse House. So we now have spent about $14,000. With another $9,000. in salvaged parts that will finally be removed, and installed in the Mouse House.Bob Dunahugh
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Re: [GMCnet] Restoration.What parts of the 78, should I put on the 73. [message #293886 is a reply to message #293885] |
Fri, 15 January 2016 12:00 |
Guy Lopes
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Bob, I really enjoy reading about your progress with the restoration. Please
keep it up!
Which wheels did you order from Applied?
Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
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Subject: [GMCnet] Restoration.What parts of the 78, should I put on the 73.
I have everything under the floor. Including the Onan, to the bottom of
the windshield. Absolutely untouched by the fire. Not even a trace of soot
or smoke. So I have a lot of 78 parts that could be used as upgrades on
the 73 that the dog dragged home. NOT ME of course. As my answer to Linda.
Yesterday was very nice out. In the upper 30's. So I put the GMC convertible
up on stands, in the drive so I could pull the alum rims with new tires, gas
tanks, bumpers, new exhaust, exhaust heat shields next to the gas tanks, (
Mine were bolted to the floor) and cut the body/ floor to the right of the
engine. The cut was in prep of removing the front of the body next. Got all
that done in about 2.5 hrs. Then went inside the shop to do the same thing
to the mouse house. ( Except cutting the body. ) That was another 2 hrs.
Time, Time, Time. It just takes so much of it. The 1- 1/2 year old alum rims
with tires are going on the 73. With new rims now coming from Jim K at
Applied.!
Then more new tires to be put on the Mouse House. So we now have spent
about $14,000. With another $9,000. in salvaged parts that will finally be
removed, and installed in the Mouse House.Bob Dunahugh
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Re: [GMCnet] Restoration.What parts of the 78, should I put on the 73. [message #293890 is a reply to message #293885] |
Fri, 15 January 2016 12:32 |
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Matt Colie
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BobDunahugh wrote on Fri, 15 January 2016 12:53I have everything under the floor. Including the Onan, to the bottom of the windshield. Absolutely untouched by the fire. Not even a trace of soot or smoke. So I have a lot of 78 parts that could be used as upgrades on the 73 that the dog dragged home. NOT ME of course. As my answer to Linda. Yesterday was very nice out. In the upper 30's. So I put the GMC convertible up on stands, in the drive so I could pull the alum rims with new tires, gas tanks, bumpers, new exhaust, exhaust heat shields next to the gas tanks, ( Mine were bolted to the floor) and cut the body/ floor to the right of the engine. The cut was in prep of removing the front of the body next. Got all that done in about 2.5 hrs. Then went inside the shop to do the same thing to the mouse house. ( Except cutting the body. ) That was another 2 hrs. Time, Time, Time. It just takes so much of it. The 1- 1/2 year old alum rims with tires are going on the 73. With new rims now coming from Jim K at Applied. Then more new tires to be put on the Mouse House. So we now have spent about $14,000. With another $9,000. in salvaged parts that will finally be removed, and installed in the Mouse House.Bob Dunahugh
Bob,
The one thing I know of would be the bogie assembly. Now, here is where I am a little fuzzy. The early coaches had two issues that were corrected later. First was the bogies pins were made larger with later and had better grease delivery and the wheels or travel was modified because the tires will contact the wheel well if the air spring (bag) goes down. JimK would know.
About the heater, ask KenH as he knows those things well.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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Re: [GMCnet] Restoration.What parts of the 78, should I put on the 73. [message #293901 is a reply to message #293885] |
Fri, 15 January 2016 15:02 |
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USAussie
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Bob,
It's not clear to me if you intend to take the wheels and tires off the burned GMC and put them on the new GMC. I'm wondering if
that's a good idea? The reason being the "new" tires have been in close proximity to a GMC that burned and I wonder if they are
still safe to use?
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
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From: Bob Dunahugh
I have everything under the floor. Including the Onan, to the bottom of the windshield. Absolutely untouched by the fire. Not even
a trace of soot or smoke. So I have a lot of 78 parts that could be used as upgrades on the 73 that the dog dragged home. NOT ME
of course. As my answer to Linda. Yesterday was very nice out. In the upper 30's. So I put the GMC convertible up on stands, in the
drive so I could pull the alum rims with new tires, gas tanks, bumpers, new exhaust, exhaust heat shields next to the gas tanks, (
Mine were bolted to the floor) and cut the body/ floor to the right of the engine. The cut was in prep of removing the front of the
body next. Got all that done in about 2.5 hrs. Then went inside the shop to do the same thing to the mouse house. ( Except
cutting the body. ) That was another 2 hrs. Time, Time, Time. It just takes so much of it. The 1- 1/2 year old alum rims with tires
are going on the 73. With new rims now coming from Jim K at Applied.
Then more new tires to be put on the Mouse House. So we now have spent about $14,000. With another $9,000. in salvaged parts that
will finally be removed, and installed in the Mouse House.Bob Dunahugh
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Re: [GMCnet] Restoration.What parts of the 78, should I put on the 73. [message #293902 is a reply to message #293894] |
Fri, 15 January 2016 15:12 |
A Hamilto
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Matt Colie wrote on Fri, 15 January 2016 12:32Bob,
The one thing I know of would be the bogie assembly. Now, here is where I am a little fuzzy. The early coaches had two issues that were corrected later. First was the bogies pins were made larger with later and had better grease delivery and the wheels or travel was modified because the tires will contact the wheel well if the air spring (bag) goes down. JimK would know.
About the heater, ask KenH as he knows those things well.
Matt There was a recall on the hubs/spindles on the early models. There is a way to inspect the hubs to verify the recall was done. As far as the size of the bogie pins, that is a non-issue. I defy anyone to find a record of a failure.
http://gmcmotorhome.info/rear.html#RECALL
If you want to install the greasers so you don't have to use the inner zerk, you will have to drill a hole down the center of the pin to join the two grease channels, since the original smaller pins have completely separate channels.
Personally, I would consider the effort to swap out the bogies (which includes getting the shims right to preserve alignment) to be more trouble than it would be worth.Loffen wrote on Fri, 15 January 2016 13:31I guess it depends on how much work you are going to put in the -73, the rear inner fender wells is really bad on the -73/74 they are usually full of cracks and the tires on the rear axle will rub them when the air is out of the bags,on the -78 the are made of glass fiber and are stronger and will not rub the tires, I would also try to save the fiberglass housing for the onan on the -73 it is plywood.
If you do not want to change the rear inner fender well I could be interested in them The wheels will hit the top of the wheel well liners if a bag blows, and will tear the liner loose from the floor if standing still, and will do that AND maybe scrub through the top of the liner if at highway speed when the bag blows.
If you want to prevent that from being able to happen, I don't know if it is easier to replace the wells or modify the existing.
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Re: [GMCnet] Restoration.What parts of the 78, should I put on the 73. [message #293925 is a reply to message #293902] |
Fri, 15 January 2016 22:51 |
Bruce Hart
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Steve Ferguson did a great write up on the lower 73 A-arms that were weak
from the factory.
http://gmcws.org/Tech/Getting_Your_GMC_Under_Control.pdf
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 2:12 PM, A. wrote:
> Matt Colie wrote on Fri, 15 January 2016 12:32
>> Bob,
>> The one thing I know of would be the bogie assembly. Now, here is where
> I am a little fuzzy. The early coaches had two issues that were
>> corrected later. First was the bogies pins were made larger with later
> and had better grease delivery and the wheels or travel was modified because
>> the tires will contact the wheel well if the air spring (bag) goes
> down. JimK would know.
>>
>> About the heater, ask KenH as he knows those things well.
>>
>> Matt
> There was a recall on the hubs/spindles on the early models. There is a
> way to inspect the hubs to verify the recall was done. As far as the size of
> the bogie pins, that is a non-issue. I defy anyone to find a record of a
> failure.
>
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/rear.html#RECALL
>
> If you want to install the greasers so you don't have to use the inner
> zerk, you will have to drill a hole down the center of the pin to join the
> two
> grease channels, since the original smaller pins have completely separate
> channels.
>
> Personally, I would consider the effort to swap out the bogies (which
> includes getting the shims right to preserve alignment) to be more trouble
> than
> it would be worth.Loffen wrote on Fri, 15 January 2016 13:31
>> I guess it depends on how much work you are going to put in the -73, the
> rear inner fender wells is really bad on the -73/74 they are usually full
>> of cracks and the tires on the rear axle will rub them when the air is
> out of the bags,on the -78 the are made of glass fiber and are stronger and
>> will not rub the tires, I would also try to save the fiberglass housing
> for the onan on the -73 it is plywood.
>> If you do not want to change the rear inner fender well I could be
> interested in them :)
> The wheels will hit the top of the wheel well liners if a bag blows, and
> will tear the liner loose from the floor if standing still, and will do that
> AND maybe scrub through the top of the liner if at highway speed when the
> bag blows.
>
> If you want to prevent that from being able to happen, I don't know if it
> is easier to replace the wells or modify the existing.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6033/CIMG3459_Small_.JPG
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Re: [GMCnet] Restoration.What parts of the 78, should I put on the 73. [message #293927 is a reply to message #293885] |
Sat, 16 January 2016 01:44 |
BobDunahugh
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As to the questions on the condition of the tires. Fine shape. None of the fender wells were penetrated by the fire. Thus all the fender wells, and tires are usable on the 73. So I'll put the 18 month old tires with rims on the 73. Then the new Eagles rims with tires on the Mouse House 78 Royale. As to the rims. I really like Jim K's Eagle rims with no covers on the lug nuts to deal with. To me. Jim hit a homerun with having these made for our GMC's. Easy to clean. And remove when needed. Plus being hub centered. As to what to switch over to the 73. I was aware of the 73 pins. But to me. If there fine. So what. What I didn't know was the fender well cracking and travel issues. So it looks like I should change the fender wells, and rear suspension. My MO with these infectious GMC's. Has been that I seem to go way overboard with respect to repairs, and details in the restoration. ( 3- 78 Royale's, and one 73 . ) My latest example of that. Coachmen put the carpet down on the entire floor first. Including the rear fender wells. Then all the cabinets were installed over the carpet. As the floor is the bottom of the cabinets. I wanted to put some vinyl flooring down first. Easy to clean. And will look better. I didn't want to cut the vinyl to get around the 5 copper LP lines that come thru the floor. Plus a bundle of wires in one large hole. So I pulled all the copper lines out. And the wires. Put the sheet vinyl flooring down. Cut the holes in the vinyl. Cleaned the plastic hole liners, and installed. Cleaned all the wires. Then cleaned, and polished the copper tubing so that when Linda opens a cabinet door. Everything will look clean, and fresh. Sorry. I just seem to get anel about the small details. And I have to have this GMC in Alabama at the end of March. Tonight I was cleaning the back of the bumpers. Then painting. I think I have a mental problem. ( GRIN )Bob Dunahugh.
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Subject: Restoration.What parts of the 78, should I put on the 73.
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I have everything under the floor. Including the Onan, to the bottom of the windshield. Absolutely untouched by the fire. Not even a trace of soot or smoke. So I have a lot of 78 parts that could be used as upgrades on the 73 that the dog dragged home. NOT ME of course. As my answer to Linda. Yesterday was very nice out. In the upper 30's. So I put the GMC convertible up on stands, in the drive so I could pull the alum rims with new tires, gas tanks, bumpers, new exhaust, exhaust heat shields next to the gas tanks, ( Mine were bolted to the floor) and cut the body/ floor to the right of the engine. The cut was in prep of removing the front of the body next. Got all that done in about 2.5 hrs. Then went inside the shop to do the same thing to the mouse house. ( Except cutting the body. ) That was another 2 hrs. Time, Time, Time. It just takes so much of it. The 1- 1/2 year old alum rims with tires are going on the 73. With new rims now coming from Jim K at Applied. Then more new tires to be put on the Mouse House. So we now have spent about $14,000. With another $9,000. in salvaged parts that will finally be removed, and installed in the Mouse House.Bob Dunahugh
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Re: [GMCnet] Restoration.What parts of the 78, should I put on the 73. [message #293934 is a reply to message #293933] |
Sat, 16 January 2016 10:54 |
Dennis S
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While not something that would justify swapping the swing arms -- remember that the 73 arms may require a little grinding to allow clearance for new shocks. Otherwise the top gets crunched.
Dennis
A Hamilto wrote on Sat, 16 January 2016 10:04BobDunahugh wrote on Sat, 16 January 2016 01:44...it looks like I should change the fender wells, and rear suspension. Don't need to mess with rear suspension unless there is too much slop in the bogies. There is no more travel in the early models than later, just wheel wells were deeper in later years. So no point in the extra work. Front suspension is a different story. Use the 78 A-arms.
Dennis S
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Memphis TN Metro
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Re: [GMCnet] Restoration.What parts of the 78, should I put on the 73. [message #293940 is a reply to message #293933] |
Sat, 16 January 2016 13:52 |
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Matt Colie
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Many of the 73s (like mine) got the same reinforcement as the later coaches. The real answer is take off everything you can store.
Matt
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