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| [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting [message #292704] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 00:28  |
BobDunahugh
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Was messing with the 78 Royale Mouse House tonight. It hadn't occurred to me before that there's no air tank. It looks like a simple system to work on. This Royale is a latter 78 Royale then the other 2. So it must have been late in the production year? Has this system been dependable. And what's it's weak spot? Bob Dunahugh73 and 78 GMC's
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting [message #292705 is a reply to message #292704] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 00:46  |
Gadabout
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Bob,
My 76 has the OEM DYNA single compressor and small air tank. My Son's 78 has the dual compressor with no air tank.
Both systems work fine, but the 78 2 compressor, brings the coach to ride height faster and is not as noisy as the Dyna compressor in the 76.
The air tank does provide a bit of reserve air so the compressor which reduces the number of times the compressor cycles on/off.
I think the weak spot on the 78 is parts availability... look after yours...
Carl Harr : Driver NASCAR Pro Series #2
1978 Gadabout-Restoring
1978 Palm Beach
1976 Glenbrook
Prevost Featherlite H3-45
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting [message #292765 is a reply to message #292705] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 20:48 |
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mark grady
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I have a '78 ElectroLevel II, and I wonder if there is a source for the
dryer (desiccant) modules.
I haven't gotten far enough into it to know if these are 'field
serviceable', but at 37 years, I would guess they no longer dry very much.
Mark Grady
'78 Kingsley
On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Carl wrote:
> Bob,
>
> My 76 has the OEM DYNA single compressor and small air tank. My Son's 78
> has the dual compressor with no air tank.
>
> Both systems work fine, but the 78 2 compressor, brings the coach to ride
> height faster and is not as noisy as the Dyna compressor in the 76.
>
> The air tank does provide a bit of reserve air so the compressor which
> reduces the number of times the compressor cycles on/off.
>
> I think the weak spot on the 78 is parts availability... look after
> yours...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Carl Harr : Driver NASCAR Pro Series #2
> 1978 Gadabout-Restoring
> 1978 Palm Beach
> 1976 Glenbrook
> Prevost Featherlite H3-45
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting [message #292768 is a reply to message #292765] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 21:47 |
James Hupy
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Read the manual. Good description of the drier/dessicants. They can be
replaced. Good luck finding new ones. I have some used ones you can play
with if you are interested in paying the freight to get them.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
I have a '78 ElectroLevel II, and I wonder if there is a source for the
dryer (desiccant) modules.
I haven't gotten far enough into it to know if these are 'field
serviceable', but at 37 years, I would guess they no longer dry very much.
Mark Grady
'78 Kingsley
On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Carl wrote:
> Bob,
>
> My 76 has the OEM DYNA single compressor and small air tank. My Son's 78
> has the dual compressor with no air tank.
>
> Both systems work fine, but the 78 2 compressor, brings the coach to ride
> height faster and is not as noisy as the Dyna compressor in the 76.
>
> The air tank does provide a bit of reserve air so the compressor which
> reduces the number of times the compressor cycles on/off.
>
> I think the weak spot on the 78 is parts availability... look after
> yours...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Carl Harr : Driver NASCAR Pro Series #2
> 1978 Gadabout-Restoring
> 1978 Palm Beach
> 1976 Glenbrook
> Prevost Featherlite H3-45
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting [message #292770 is a reply to message #292768] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 22:21 |
Kosier
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Jim,
I just bought a new drier at the CarQuest store last week.
Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio
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From: "James Hupy"
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 10:47 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting
> Read the manual. Good description of the drier/dessicants. They can be
> replaced. Good luck finding new ones. I have some used ones you can play
> with if you are interested in paying the freight to get them.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
> I have a '78 ElectroLevel II, and I wonder if there is a source for the
> dryer (desiccant) modules.
>
> I haven't gotten far enough into it to know if these are 'field
> serviceable', but at 37 years, I would guess they no longer dry very much.
>
> Mark Grady
> '78 Kingsley
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Carl wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> My 76 has the OEM DYNA single compressor and small air tank. My Son's 78
>> has the dual compressor with no air tank.
>>
>> Both systems work fine, but the 78 2 compressor, brings the coach to ride
>> height faster and is not as noisy as the Dyna compressor in the 76.
>>
>> The air tank does provide a bit of reserve air so the compressor which
>> reduces the number of times the compressor cycles on/off.
>>
>> I think the weak spot on the 78 is parts availability... look after
>> yours...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl Harr : Driver NASCAR Pro Series #2
>> 1978 Gadabout-Restoring
>> 1978 Palm Beach
>> 1976 Glenbrook
>> Prevost Featherlite H3-45
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting [message #292771 is a reply to message #292765] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 22:29 |
Kosier
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OOps. the disorganized way these messages come across the email system
causes answers to incomplete message strings. I assumed you were referring
to air conditioner parts.
Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio
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From: "mark grady"
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 9:48 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting
> I have a '78 ElectroLevel II, and I wonder if there is a source for the
> dryer (desiccant) modules.
>
> I haven't gotten far enough into it to know if these are 'field
> serviceable', but at 37 years, I would guess they no longer dry very much.
>
> Mark Grady
> '78 Kingsley
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Carl wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> My 76 has the OEM DYNA single compressor and small air tank. My Son's 78
>> has the dual compressor with no air tank.
>>
>> Both systems work fine, but the 78 2 compressor, brings the coach to ride
>> height faster and is not as noisy as the Dyna compressor in the 76.
>>
>> The air tank does provide a bit of reserve air so the compressor which
>> reduces the number of times the compressor cycles on/off.
>>
>> I think the weak spot on the 78 is parts availability... look after
>> yours...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl Harr : Driver NASCAR Pro Series #2
>> 1978 Gadabout-Restoring
>> 1978 Palm Beach
>> 1976 Glenbrook
>> Prevost Featherlite H3-45
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting [message #292773 is a reply to message #292770] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 22:58 |
James Hupy
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I guess that there were still single compressors used in GM cars like the
Olds silhouette and similar other makes. I was kinda stuck on GMC's. Never
ceases to amaze me the depth of knowledge on the combined brains of this
net.
Jim Hupy
On Dec 22, 2015 8:22 PM, "Gary Kosier" wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I just bought a new drier at the CarQuest store last week.
>
> Gary Kosier
> 77PB w/500Cad
> Newark, Ohio
>
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> From: "James Hupy"
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 10:47 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting
>
> Read the manual. Good description of the drier/dessicants. They can be
>> replaced. Good luck finding new ones. I have some used ones you can play
>> with if you are interested in paying the freight to get them.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Or
>> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>> I have a '78 ElectroLevel II, and I wonder if there is a source for the
>> dryer (desiccant) modules.
>>
>> I haven't gotten far enough into it to know if these are 'field
>> serviceable', but at 37 years, I would guess they no longer dry very much.
>>
>> Mark Grady
>> '78 Kingsley
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Carl wrote:
>>
>> Bob,
>>>
>>> My 76 has the OEM DYNA single compressor and small air tank. My Son's 78
>>> has the dual compressor with no air tank.
>>>
>>> Both systems work fine, but the 78 2 compressor, brings the coach to ride
>>> height faster and is not as noisy as the Dyna compressor in the 76.
>>>
>>> The air tank does provide a bit of reserve air so the compressor which
>>> reduces the number of times the compressor cycles on/off.
>>>
>>> I think the weak spot on the 78 is parts availability... look after
>>> yours...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carl Harr : Driver NASCAR Pro Series #2
>>> 1978 Gadabout-Restoring
>>> 1978 Palm Beach
>>> 1976 Glenbrook
>>> Prevost Featherlite H3-45
>>>
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting [message #292791 is a reply to message #292779] |
Wed, 23 December 2015 10:28 |
James Hupy
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I have found that as the EL II compressors age, that their permanent
magnets lose strength. As a result, when the compressors have to work
against a large load ( 80+ psi.) that they slow down, yet their electrical
properties, ( resistance) still checks out ok. Only fix that I know
for that is to replace them. The newer GM compressors as used in the Olds
Sillouette, and the Pontiac version of it, seem to have the rare earth
magnets in their motors. They are much quicker at high loads than the EL II
compressors are. They will interchange. AFAIK, they may still may be
available NOS.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Dec 23, 2015 2:11 AM, "mark grady" wrote:
> Jim -
>
> I've looked thru the manual, and see that the dryer comes apart. Mine work
> - but seem slow (and they are on good power). That makes me wonder if the
> dryer capsule is limiting flow.
>
> I'm just getting started on this project, so there is a lot I don't know
> yet.
>
> The PO did some upgrades, but there are some kuality issues. (That's one of
> our sarcastic phrases at work - it's quality with a K - good for marketing,
> but not in execution).
>
> Do you have used EL II compressors, or just the desiccant/filter
> assemblies?
>
> I may be interested. Hit me up direct if you want: mgrady (a t) Amish bell
> dot com.
>
> I have silica gel desiccant packs from all the equipment we buy at work,
> and it would seem straight forward to replace - or maybe not.
>
> Mark
> '78 Kingsley (Bucky)
>
>>
>>> Read the manual. Good description of the drier/dessicants. They can be
>>>> replaced. Good luck finding new ones. I have some used ones you can
> play
>>>> with if you are interested in paying the freight to get them.
>>>> Jim Hupy
>>>> Salem, Or
>>>> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting [message #292847 is a reply to message #292823] |
Wed, 23 December 2015 23:05 |
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Oh, I haven't even gotten to the sensors, but I don't think they are wired
up correctly or they don't work. When I flip the switch to auto, nothing
happens.
Jim Hupy, good advice on the older generation motors. These do not seem
very 'fast' compared to my EL 1 with a rebuilt compressor. But they are
quiet. You've given me several options to track down and consider.
Mark
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 6:23 PM, John Sharpe
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> Bob, I like the system. The weak link my be the aged sensors. After 30+
> years the sealant on the computer boards degrades and flows into pivots for
> the arms. Just have to be changed for a later model unit.
> --
> John Sharpe
> Humble, TX
> 78 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting [message #292974 is a reply to message #292847] |
Sat, 26 December 2015 20:26 |
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mark grady wrote on Wed, 23 December 2015 22:05Oh, I haven't even gotten to the sensors, but I don't think they are wired
up correctly or they don't work. When I flip the switch to auto, nothing
happens.
Jim Hupy, good advice on the older generation motors. These do not seem
very 'fast' compared to my EL 1 with a rebuilt compressor. But they are
quiet. You've given me several options to track down and consider.
Mark
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 6:23 PM, John Sharpe
wrote:
> Bob, I like the system. The weak link my be the aged sensors. After 30+
> years the sealant on the computer boards degrades and flows into pivots for
> the arms. Just have to be changed for a later model unit.
> --
> John Sharpe
> Humble, TX
> 78 Eleganza II
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These things were used on millions of GM vehicles and you can find good usable ones in the pick and pulls. The sensors are still out there on high end GM cars into the 80's. The more recent ones with the flat connectors will work but require rewiring. Unfortunately, most of the cars of this vintage east of the Mississippi have been ground up. They are still plentiful in the west. I would also recommend that you upgrade the wiring as shown here (this will really speed up the compressor):
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g4153-electrolevel-ii-upgrade.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g4153-electrolevel-ii-upgrade.html
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting [message #292978 is a reply to message #292974] |
Sat, 26 December 2015 20:40 |
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Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sat, 26 December 2015 19:26mark grady wrote on Wed, 23 December 2015 22:05Oh, I haven't even gotten to the sensors, but I don't think they are wired
up correctly or they don't work. When I flip the switch to auto, nothing
happens.
Jim Hupy, good advice on the older generation motors. These do not seem
very 'fast' compared to my EL 1 with a rebuilt compressor. But they are
quiet. You've given me several options to track down and consider.
Mark
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 6:23 PM, John Sharpe
wrote:
> Bob, I like the system. The weak link my be the aged sensors. After 30+
> years the sealant on the computer boards degrades and flows into pivots for
> the arms. Just have to be changed for a later model unit.
> --
> John Sharpe
> Humble, TX
> 78 Eleganza II
>
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These things were used on millions of GM vehicles and you can find good usable ones in the pick and pulls. The sensors are still out there on high end GM cars into the 80's. The more recent ones with the flat connectors will work but require rewiring. Unfortunately, most of the cars of this vintage east of the Mississippi have been ground up. They are still plentiful in the west. I would also recommend that you upgrade the wiring as shown here (this will really speed up the compressor):
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g4153-electrolevel-ii-upgrade.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g4153-electrolevel-ii-upgrade.html
BTW, search for these p/n's and find the latest versions of these compressors. Rock Auto and Amazon carry them. 15147082, 15219513. I have one in my cabinet and other than the wiring connector, it is a straight replacement.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2 compressor system. I.nteresting [message #292981 is a reply to message #292978] |
Sat, 26 December 2015 21:04 |
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Sensors are still available but will require rewiring: P/N 89047637. Again Amazon and Rock auto have them and I'm sure all this will be on Ebay as well. I have found the EL II to be totally reliable. It's a system that GM settled on in 78 and kept well into the 80's
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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