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| [GMCnet] GMC MM '96 January, GMC II and so on [message #292535] |
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mark grady
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For the forum, let me clarify that certain of these items are (or may
be) subject to copyrights, requiring releases and permitted uses of the
same, and will not be posted here.
Don contacted me 'off line' as a GMC II owner seeking more information, and
my reply spilled over.
Nothing to see here... Just some academic research and what not.
I'll add that if you haven't been to the RV hall of fame and museum in
Elkhart, IN, many of you would find that an interesting place to visit.
http://www.rvmhhalloffame.org/
Mark Grady
'77 + '78 Kingsley
Northern Indiana
On Saturday, December 19, 2015, DB Odom wrote:
> A fresh scan of that Jan 96 GMCMM would be great. I'm looking forward to
> seeing the Explorer info and appreciate your efforts. Considering this
> started with a 16 year old post from Sept 1999 in the GMCNet archive, I
> think it's been a positive turn of events.
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> Regards - Don(DB)
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> DB Odom
> 1996 Explorer GMC II - Former 1976 Transmode
> Quad Bag, Howell EFI, Straight Trac
> Mobile, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC MM '96 January, GMC II and so on [message #292545 is a reply to message #292540] |
Sun, 20 December 2015 07:14  |
Ken Henderson
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Mark,
Just a reminder for those who may not know: Changing the Subject line on
an email here accomplishes very little for most email users; the message
will remain in the thread where it was originally transmitted. That's
because the system utilizes a header entry which is unchangeable to link
messages together. To change the thread, a NEW message must be initiated.
An exception to that rule is for those utilizing GMail, which can be set to
thread on the Subject.
Ken H.
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 7:27 AM, mark grady wrote:
> Correct, as Peer stated.
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> I updated the subject line when the discussion turned to copyright issues.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC MM '96 January, GMC II and so on [message #292547 is a reply to message #292545] |
Sun, 20 December 2015 08:08 |
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mark grady
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Ken Thanks. I do use Gmail on a personal domain.
It's not all about me, but it makes it easier.
Mark
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Ken Henderson
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> Mark,
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> Just a reminder for those who may not know: Changing the Subject line on
> an email here accomplishes very little for most email users; the message
> will remain in the thread where it was originally transmitted. That's
> because the system utilizes a header entry which is unchangeable to link
> messages together. To change the thread, a NEW message must be initiated.
>
> An exception to that rule is for those utilizing GMail, which can be set to
> thread on the Subject.
>
> Ken H.
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> On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 7:27 AM, mark grady wrote:
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>> Correct, as Peer stated.
>>
>> I updated the subject line when the discussion turned to copyright
> issues.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC MM '96 January, GMC II and so on [message #292549 is a reply to message #292539] |
Sun, 20 December 2015 09:42 |
Dolph Santorine
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Copyright is an interesting issue for the motor companies.
Ford releases MM's to the public domain when they take them out of print.
Does anyone know if GM does the same?
Dolph Santorine
DE N8JPC
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
1-ton, Sullybuilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission, EV-6010,
> On Dec 20, 2015, at 7:09 AM, Peer Oliver Schmidt wrote:
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> Rob,
>> G'day,
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>> I'm confused!
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>> Just exactly what 96 MM are you talking about?
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> Probably the 1996 GMC Motorhome Marketplace Volume 5 Issue 1.
>
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> Best regards
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> Peer Oliver Schmidt
> the internet company
> PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC MM '96 January, GMC II and so on [message #292569 is a reply to message #292555] |
Sun, 20 December 2015 16:28 |
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USAussie
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Emery,
Your email piqued my interest for minutia and so for the hell of it I just examined all three OEM manuals and Parts Book I have here
in Sydney and I found something vaguely interesting:
X-7525
Front Cover - No Copyright Information
Inside Cover - FOREWORD - No Copyright Information
Page Opposite Inside Cover - IMPORTANT SAFETY NOTICE - No Copyright Information
Next Page - Blank
Next Page - Section Index - No Copyright Information
Next Page - Blank
Next Page - Section 0 - General Information, Periodic Maintenance, and Lubrication - No Copyright Information
Last Page - Fold out wiring diagram
Inside Back Cover - No Copyright Information
Back Cover - No Copyright Information
X-7625
Front Cover - No Copyright Information
Inside Cover - INTRODUCTION - No Copyright Information
Page Opposite Inside Cover - IMPORTANT SAFETY NOTICE - No Copyright Information
Next Page - Blank
Next Page - Section Index - At the bottom of the page is the copyright symbol (letter C inside a circle) followed by General Motors
Corporation Printed in U.S.A.
X-7725
Front Cover - No Copyright Information
Inside Cover - FOREWORD - No Copyright Information
Page Opposite Inside Cover - IMPORTANT SAFETY NOTICE - No Copyright Information
Next Page - CAUTION - No Copyright Information
Next Page - Table of Contents - No Copyright Information
Next Page - Blank
Next Page - Section 0 - General Information, Periodic Maintenance, and Lubrication - No Copyright Information
Last Page - Fold out wiring diagram
Inside Back Cover - No Copyright Information
Back Cover - No Copyright Information
What struck me as strange was that X-7625 was copyrighted but X-7725 was not.
Parts Book 78Z Printed in May of 1979 does not have any copyright information.
While I agree that GM could prosecute someone for copyright infringement of these old GMC Motorhome publications in my OPINION the
risk of that happening is VERY SLIM TO NONE!
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
-----Original Message-----
From: Emery Stora
Several years ago Henry Davis, a GMCer with a lot of knowledge about copyrights and patents, told us that none of the GM Motorhome
manuals were copyrighted except the 1977-1978 Maintenance Manual X7725 because they did not include any copyright notices in them
which were a requirement of the copyright law at the time they were published. Even though the 1977-1978 manual is copyrighted
several sites on the Internet have pdf copies of it and they apparently have not had any pressure from GM to remove it.
Emery Stora
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC MM '96 January, GMC II and so on [message #292586 is a reply to message #292569] |
Sun, 20 December 2015 23:21 |
emerystora
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Rob
I think that the confusion here is that the copyright law changed post 1976. Prior to that a company had to put copyright information in a document in order to be protected.
So anything published after 1976 did not need any copyright notice or symbol in the document and the publisher would still have copyright protection.
That is why Henry Davis told us on the GMCnet back in 2001 that X-7725 would still be copyrighted even though nothing is shown in the book about copyright, while all the earlier books did not have copyright protection.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Dec 20, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
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> Emery,
>
> Your email piqued my interest for minutia and so for the hell of it I just examined all three OEM manuals and Parts Book I have here
> in Sydney and I found something vaguely interesting:
>
> X-7525
> Front Cover - No Copyright Information
> Inside Cover - FOREWORD - No Copyright Information
> Page Opposite Inside Cover - IMPORTANT SAFETY NOTICE - No Copyright Information
> Next Page - Blank
> Next Page - Section Index - No Copyright Information
> Next Page - Blank
> Next Page - Section 0 - General Information, Periodic Maintenance, and Lubrication - No Copyright Information
> Last Page - Fold out wiring diagram
> Inside Back Cover - No Copyright Information
> Back Cover - No Copyright Information
>
> X-7625
> Front Cover - No Copyright Information
> Inside Cover - INTRODUCTION - No Copyright Information
> Page Opposite Inside Cover - IMPORTANT SAFETY NOTICE - No Copyright Information
> Next Page - Blank
> Next Page - Section Index - At the bottom of the page is the copyright symbol (letter C inside a circle) followed by General Motors
> Corporation Printed in U.S.A.
>
> X-7725
> Front Cover - No Copyright Information
> Inside Cover - FOREWORD - No Copyright Information
> Page Opposite Inside Cover - IMPORTANT SAFETY NOTICE - No Copyright Information
> Next Page - CAUTION - No Copyright Information
> Next Page - Table of Contents - No Copyright Information
> Next Page - Blank
> Next Page - Section 0 - General Information, Periodic Maintenance, and Lubrication - No Copyright Information
> Last Page - Fold out wiring diagram
> Inside Back Cover - No Copyright Information
> Back Cover - No Copyright Information
>
> What struck me as strange was that X-7625 was copyrighted but X-7725 was not.
>
> Parts Book 78Z Printed in May of 1979 does not have any copyright information.
>
> While I agree that GM could prosecute someone for copyright infringement of these old GMC Motorhome publications in my OPINION the
> risk of that happening is VERY SLIM TO NONE!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emery Stora
>
> Several years ago Henry Davis, a GMCer with a lot of knowledge about copyrights and patents, told us that none of the GM Motorhome
> manuals were copyrighted except the 1977-1978 Maintenance Manual X7725 because they did not include any copyright notices in them
> which were a requirement of the copyright law at the time they were published. Even though the 1977-1978 manual is copyrighted
> several sites on the Internet have pdf copies of it and they apparently have not had any pressure from GM to remove it.
>
> Emery Stora
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC MM '96 January, GMC II and so on [message #292597 is a reply to message #292535] |
Mon, 21 December 2015 07:29 |
jhbridges
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I suspect GM has pretty much zero interest in enforcing a copyright on 30+ year old publications. They would gain nothing, and lose drastically via bad publicity. The concern I have is that one of the 'patent trolls' might somehow obtain the rights. It's a very minor concern, most GMCers aren't sufficiently well off to make it worthwhile as far as I can see - and proving a loss wouldn't be easy.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC MM '96 January, GMC II and so on [message #292645 is a reply to message #292535] |
Mon, 21 December 2015 16:23 |
jhbridges
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I doubt prosecution would get past the 'lawyer letter'. Unless you were selling the manuals, too much cost to go after someone and not enough recovery to make it worthwhile. One of the trolls is still making noises about broadcast storage and automation systems, but the Patent Office told him to pack sand and most of the broadcasters - my employers included - initially told him FOAD. I gather since I retired some accommodation has been made but I've no idea quite what.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC MM '96 January, GMC II and so on [message #292698 is a reply to message #292663] |
Mon, 21 December 2015 22:02 |
Dolph Santorine
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Rob:
How about somewhere near the middle.
The top of his inseam?
The end result would be the same - serious pain.
Dolph
DE N8JPC
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
1-Ton, Sullybilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission, EV-6010
“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
> On Dec 21, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
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> Bob,
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> Nice to see you posting!
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> As far as Wes going after anyone copying the GMC manuals for FREE distribution would be like him putting a gun to his head and
> pulling the trigger!
>
> Well maybe not that bad, probably more like is foot! ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Cook
>
> GM sold the copyright many years ago to Wes Coughlan at Cinnebar.
> At the time he was threatening to prosicute any one who violated the copyright.
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