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Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290239] Wed, 11 November 2015 22:09 Go to next message
Paul is currently offline  Paul   United States
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Welcome to me. (I think this is my first post) I am just beginning my project on my '73 23'. The cockpit windows have apparently leaked for a long time, rotting out the outside edge of the cockpit floor, on both sides. (I'm still working on sealing the leaks. Just ordered some new JimB cockpit windows from JimK). So in order to replace the floor boards, I have to remove the seat bases. I see that they are bolted down through the aluminum framing, with a free nut on the bottom side. And on the outside edge, there is only about an inch between the flooring and the wheel-well. So since the floor is already destroyed, I'll be able to break through to get some kind of wrench under those nuts to get them off. But I can't think of anyway to reach back under there to secure the seat bases back down once I have my new floor in place. How have others done this before?
I'm considering sticking the bolt up from the bottom, secured with a nut just above the aluminum frame (with corresponding hole drilled in under-side of plywood), secured with a nut on top. But that will probably leave some bolt sticking up higher than the nut. Your thoughts?

While I'm here, what do I need to know about the replacement plywood? Does the underside need to be treated with anything to endure its exposure to oil and water, etc?

Paul
Re: [GMCnet] Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290241 is a reply to message #290239] Wed, 11 November 2015 22:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Guy Lopes is currently offline  Guy Lopes   United States
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Welcome to this great group of GMC owners Paul!

Matt will be along shortly with his famous welcome to new owners. In the
meantime, please tell us where you live, type of coach, mods, etc. You can
eliminate future questions by simply adding a signature block to all of your
outgoing messages either on the web or email version (see mine below). You
might be surprised at how many fellow GMC owners are right in your backyard.

I can't help with your question as I haven't tackled that project yet. You
should be getting several answers here shortly.

Welcome aboard!

Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
W6TOL

www.GMC-Guy.com



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Subject: [GMCnet] Bolting Down Seat Bases

Welcome to me. (I think this is my first post) I am just beginning my
project on my '73 23'. The cockpit windows have apparently leaked for a long
time, rotting out the outside edge of the cockpit floor, on both sides. (I'm
still working on sealing the leaks. Just ordered some new JimB cockpit
windows from JimK). So in order to replace the floor boards, I have to
remove the seat bases. I see that they are bolted down through the aluminum
framing, with a free nut on the bottom side. And on the outside edge, there
is only about an inch between the flooring and the wheel-well. So since the
floor is already destroyed, I'll be able to break through to get some kind
of wrench under those nuts to get them off. But I can't think of anyway to
reach back under there to secure the seat bases back down once I have my new
floor in place. How have others done this before?
I'm considering sticking the bolt up from the bottom, secured with a nut
just above the aluminum frame (with corresponding hole drilled in under-side
of plywood), secured with a nut on top. But that will probably leave some
bolt sticking up higher than the nut. Your thoughts?

While I'm here, what do I need to know about the replacement plywood? Does
the underside need to be treated with anything to endure its exposure to oil
and water, etc?

Paul

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Re: Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290242 is a reply to message #290239] Wed, 11 November 2015 23:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Paul wrote on Wed, 11 November 2015 22:09
Welcome to me. (I think this is my first post) I am just beginning my project on my '73 23'. The cockpit windows have apparently leaked for a long time, rotting out the outside edge of the cockpit floor, on both sides. (I'm still working on sealing the leaks. Just ordered some new JimB cockpit windows from JimK). So in order to replace the floor boards, I have to remove the seat bases. I see that they are bolted down through the aluminum framing, with a free nut on the bottom side. And on the outside edge, there is only about an inch between the flooring and the wheel-well. So since the floor is already destroyed, I'll be able to break through to get some kind of wrench under those nuts to get them off. But I can't think of anyway to reach back under there to secure the seat bases back down once I have my new floor in place. How have others done this before?
I'm considering sticking the bolt up from the bottom, secured with a nut just above the aluminum frame (with corresponding hole drilled in under-side of plywood), secured with a nut on top. But that will probably leave some bolt sticking up higher than the nut. Your thoughts?

While I'm here, what do I need to know about the replacement plywood? Does the underside need to be treated with anything to endure its exposure to oil and water, etc?

Paul
Take the wheel well liners out. When I removed the seat bases I got one of my kids to hold the top (bolt head) with a boxed end wrench while I turned the nut from the bottom with a ratchet. When I put the seat bases back in, I clamped a pair of vice grips on the head, went out and put a nut on and tightened it up. Went back in and moved the vice grips to the next one, went out and put a nut on it and tightened it up. 12 bolts per seat base. I could have taken them out the same way if I didn't have a kid handy.

I don't think the original plywood underside was treated in any way. I believe most folks use a router on 1" thck marine grade plywood when they repair the cockpit floor. Use the old floor places for patterns. You are not the first person to do this. Another approach is here:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p32616-rotten-passenger-floor.html

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Re: [GMCnet] Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290244 is a reply to message #290241] Wed, 11 November 2015 23:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sgltrac is currently offline  sgltrac   United States
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What he said.

Sully
77 royale
Seattle.

On Wednesday, November 11, 2015, Ken Henderson
wrote:

> Paul,
>
> Simple! Put the new bolts in from the top, as they should be. Clamp
> lock grip pliers onto the heads. Go below, install, the flat & lock
> washers and tighten the nuts. The number of round trips will be
> determined by the number of pairs of lock grips you have. :-)
>
> Paint the new plywood before installation with a good exterior paint
> -- many of us prefer epoxy -- paying especial attention to the edges,
> where water can enter most easily. Caulk the seams well; polyurethane
> is my preference. It WILL be wet again, so put another coat of paint
> over the entire floor before installing the insulation and carpet.
> The under side will dry more easily than the top, so don't worry about
> another coat there.
>
> JWID,
>
> Ken H.
> Americus, GA
> '76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
> Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc.
> www.gmcwipersetc.com
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Paul Sager > wrote:
>> Welcome to me. (I think this is my first post) I am just beginning my
> project on my '73 23'. The cockpit windows have apparently leaked for a long
>> time, rotting out the outside edge of the cockpit floor, on both sides.
> (I'm still working on sealing the leaks. Just ordered some new JimB cockpit
>> windows from JimK). So in order to replace the floor boards, I have to
> remove the seat bases. I see that they are bolted down through the aluminum
>> framing, with a free nut on the bottom side. And on the outside edge,
> there is only about an inch between the flooring and the wheel-well. So
> since
>> the floor is already destroyed, I'll be able to break through to get
> some kind of wrench under those nuts to get them off. But I can't think of
> anyway
>> to reach back under there to secure the seat bases back down once I have
> my new floor in place. How have others done this before?
>> I'm considering sticking the bolt up from the bottom, secured with a nut
> just above the aluminum frame (with corresponding hole drilled in under-side
>> of plywood), secured with a nut on top. But that will probably leave
> some bolt sticking up higher than the nut. Your thoughts?
>>
>> While I'm here, what do I need to know about the replacement plywood?
> Does the underside need to be treated with anything to endure its exposure
> to
>> oil and water, etc?
>>
>> Paul
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290245 is a reply to message #290239] Wed, 11 November 2015 23:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Paul,

Simple! Put the new bolts in from the top, as they should be. Clamp
lock grip pliers onto the heads. Go below, install, the flat & lock
washers and tighten the nuts. The number of round trips will be
determined by the number of pairs of lock grips you have. :-)

Paint the new plywood before installation with a good exterior paint
-- many of us prefer epoxy -- paying especial attention to the edges,
where water can enter most easily. Caulk the seams well; polyurethane
is my preference. It WILL be wet again, so put another coat of paint
over the entire floor before installing the insulation and carpet.
The under side will dry more easily than the top, so don't worry about
another coat there.

JWID,

Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com


On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Paul Sager wrote:
> Welcome to me. (I think this is my first post) I am just beginning my project on my '73 23'. The cockpit windows have apparently leaked for a long
> time, rotting out the outside edge of the cockpit floor, on both sides. (I'm still working on sealing the leaks. Just ordered some new JimB cockpit
> windows from JimK). So in order to replace the floor boards, I have to remove the seat bases. I see that they are bolted down through the aluminum
> framing, with a free nut on the bottom side. And on the outside edge, there is only about an inch between the flooring and the wheel-well. So since
> the floor is already destroyed, I'll be able to break through to get some kind of wrench under those nuts to get them off. But I can't think of anyway
> to reach back under there to secure the seat bases back down once I have my new floor in place. How have others done this before?
> I'm considering sticking the bolt up from the bottom, secured with a nut just above the aluminum frame (with corresponding hole drilled in under-side
> of plywood), secured with a nut on top. But that will probably leave some bolt sticking up higher than the nut. Your thoughts?
>
> While I'm here, what do I need to know about the replacement plywood? Does the underside need to be treated with anything to endure its exposure to
> oil and water, etc?
>
> Paul

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Re: Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290279 is a reply to message #290239] Thu, 12 November 2015 18:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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Paul,

Welcome to the group, family, cult, asylum.....
I have been wait for the announcement that you acquired a coach.

In August, you had a location of Tucson. Did you move and acquire a coach? If so, Good For You.
Moves are most often drive by employment, but coaches are driven by dreams.

They all need something.

About plywood, as a boat builder this is a very familiar subject.
There are three grades you are likely to find:
Interior - that is made with any kind of glue.
Exterior - that is made with "water proof" glue.
Marine - this also made with "water proof" but has no voids in the core. This is important for boats.
There is also an aircraft grade that is lot certified, "water proof", no voids and $$$$$.
Treated plywoods are either marine or exterior as the treatment process is water based. This can also cause issues as the wood was saturated during the treatment process and will still be. That may be an issue as it can cause corrosion of the metal parts it is attached to.
Any good exterior or marine plywood will last well even if occasionally wet, if it can dry out. This means do not try to seal it, because if you are only partly successful, you will be sealing the moisture in....

There are also surface grades:
A - is supposed to be finish grade but be careful as a lot gets by that (IMNSHO) should not.
B - used to be smooth finish with a maximum of one plug per sheet.
C - is supposed to be flat and not too bad.
D - has a surface.... is may also have void and chunks laminate to it.

For your floor, marine would be best - if you can get it. If you can't and have to use exterior (BCX), cut it to shape and drill all the hole and inspect it. If you find voids, fill them with a wood working epoxy. That way those voids will not be able to collect water and start the wood rotting.

Now, you have already figured out that this is a special community. It is like very few others and I only know of one. That is the watermen of my world. If you need advice and/or assistance and don't say so, you can expect us to be annoyed. This is another reason to go back to the Control Panel and Account Settings and scroll down to Preferences and fill in a Sigfile. We know who you are, but we would really like to know about the coach specifics. (A 73-23 is a rare bird and has lots of things that are different than the rest.) and a good geographic reference so climate issues can be understood and anybody that is in striking range will know about where you are. We could go though a lot of beer telling stories of the assistance that those here have provided over the years. (When you travel, carry the list.) Now, because this community is so like that of watermen, I have taken to welcoming new owners much as a new owner or vessel would be welcomed. So,

May the Good Lord bless this coach and all those that set forth within her.

Welcome Paul and Cathy

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290285 is a reply to message #290279] Fri, 13 November 2015 03:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> coach specifics. (A 73-23 is a rare bird and has lots of things that are
> different than the rest.) and a good geographic reference so climate issues


Here is mine
http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/2014/12/my-atomic-1973-23.html
Not too strange



> can be understood and anybody that is in striking range will know about
> where you are. We could go though a lot of beer telling stories of the
> assistance that those here have provided over the years. (When you
> travel, carry the list.) Now, because this community is so like that of
> watermen,
> I have taken to welcoming new owners much as a new owner or vessel would
> be welcomed. So,
>
> May the Good Lord bless this coach and all those that set forth within her.
>
> Welcome Paul and Cathy
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - Members GMCMI, GMCES
> '73 Glacier 23 - Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brake with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Re: Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290296 is a reply to message #290239] Fri, 13 November 2015 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey, Guy Lopes,

What a great job welcoming a new poster. These guys are taking their chances to announce their presence in writing. What would we say to a guy who worked a lifetime before retiring at Fram, liked Chinese tires, preferred Ford or Nissan accessories to be put on his GMC, liked the orange antifreeze, and didn't want to put any information on a sig file? These hot button issues could to say the least alter the reception he got on the forum. Those preferences are just off the top of my head. And, have the message first post in the evening hours for the best chance of a hip-shooting comeback. Folks are tired from the day at work (or avoiding honey-dos), and perhaps are relaxing with a beverage or three.

Carey





Carey from Ennis, Texas 78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.

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Re: [GMCnet] Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290300 is a reply to message #290296] Fri, 13 November 2015 15:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Carey,

Hmmm. looks like we'll have to come up with a "politically correct" welcome to the GMCnet, eh? :-)

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic

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From: Carey Bryan

Hey, Guy Lopes,

What a great job welcoming a new poster. These guys are taking their chances to announce their presence in writing. What would we
say to a guy who worked a lifetime before retiring at Fram, liked Chinese tires, preferred Ford or Nissan my head. I wonder what
other issues could aggravate the brethren? Oh, have his post first post in the evening hours for the accessories to be put on his
GMC, liked the orange antifreeze, and didn't want to put any information on a sig file? These hot button issues could to say the
least alter the reception he got on the forum. Those preferences are just off the top of best chance of a hip-shooting comeback.
Folks are tired from the day at work (or avoiding honey-dos), and perhaps are relaxing with a beverage or three.

Carey


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Re: Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290305 is a reply to message #290239] Fri, 13 November 2015 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Please don't let's get caught up in the PC boondoggle. The Fram guy has aready heard all the snipes, just like anybody else in the industry, ain't gonna matter. A reasonable "I'd rather not share location and coach info" should be respected. Presumably such a poster would quickly realize the reason for the request, and can decide to supply the info or not be able to take advantage of the benefits it gets him. I'm partial to Ford products, and Nissan products, I've had good luck with both. So what? I've had - with the exception of my GMC - particularly poor luck with GM products and don't buy them. Does this mean I have or should expect from others a particularly high A.Q.? I think not. Again, I refer those who either demand or go overboard to supply PCness to Thurber's fable of the bear.

--johnny


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Re: Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290306 is a reply to message #290296] Fri, 13 November 2015 20:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Carey,

I have read your message to me several times and must admit that I still can't quite grasp what you were trying to tell me. Oh well, call me a dunce.

I am generally not PC, but I also don't go out of my way to offend anyone. My message to the original poster was a simple welcome with a couple of suggestions. I don't see how that could be offensive to anyone and that surely wasn't my intention. So that we don't clog the Net, please feel free to email me directly or send me a PM. I would love to learn why what I said was not appropriate.

As I always say, the day that I stop learning is the day that I'm six feet under!

Regards,

Guy
tawptool at surewest dot net



cbryan wrote on Fri, 13 November 2015 10:55
Hey, Guy Lopes,

What a great job welcoming a new poster. These guys are taking their chances to announce their presence in writing. What would we say to a guy who worked a lifetime before retiring at Fram, liked Chinese tires, preferred Ford or Nissan accessories to be put on his GMC, liked the orange antifreeze, and didn't want to put any information on a sig file? These hot button issues could to say the least alter the reception he got on the forum. Those preferences are just off the top of my head. And, have the message first post in the evening hours for the best chance of a hip-shooting comeback. Folks are tired from the day at work (or avoiding honey-dos), and perhaps are relaxing with a beverage or three.

Carey






Guy Lopes 76 Birchaven "Orion" Sacramento, CA W6TOL www.GMC-Guy.com
Re: [GMCnet] Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290307 is a reply to message #290305] Fri, 13 November 2015 20:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Johnny,

I am familiar with the writings of James Thurber but couldn't remember the fable of the bear so I Googled it.

For everyone's enjoyment: http://www.newsun.com/TheBear.html

FORD's RULE! ;-)

But GMC's are COOL!

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic


-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Bridges

Please don't let's get caught up in the PC boondoggle. The Fram guy has aready heard all the snipes, just like anybody else in the
industry, ain't gonna matter. A reasonable "I'd rather not share location and coach info" should be respected. Presumably such a
poster would quickly realize the reason for the request, and can decide to supply the info or not be able to take advantage of the
benefits it gets him. I'm partial to Ford products, and Nissan products, I've had good luck with both. So what? I've had - with
the exception of my GMC - particularly poor luck with GM products and don't buy them. Does this mean I have or should expect from
others a particularly high A.Q.? I think not. Again, I refer those who either demand or go overboard to supply PCness to Thurber's
fable of the bear.

--johnny



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Re: Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290311 is a reply to message #290239] Fri, 13 November 2015 22:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cbryan   United States
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Guy,

My post was an attempt to spotlight your welcoming post as a positive example. Tried to use your full name so as to be clear as to whom I was addressing my comments, as Guy, could be understood as a generic term like "Fellow", or so I thought. Not trying to call you out as my mom called me out using my full name.

As to the subsequent part of the post, it was just an attempt to be funny and to reveal some of our sacred cows that aren't common knowledge. For instance, who would have thought that a best-selling line of oil filters in the United States are considered junk here? Mostly on structural grounds because of the cardboard in them, rather than the steel partitions in other filters. Got to admit, that cardboard bothers me, though before coming here, used Fram filters for 40 years with no engine failures due to oil problems, really never wore one out to the oil burning stage. Rarely drove one past 120,000 miles though. I guess nobody told my engines about the cardboard. Felt real good about changing my own oil and my upgraded filters. Live and learn.

However, I see now that what I have posted did not get the effect I intended and I say, "never mind", and just want to say, that just about everyone on the forum would go out of their way to help a stranger, to the point that some have been taken advantage of. It was just a shame to me that such a great bunch of folks seem to give an opposite impression sometimes, or maybe it was just my imagination. This forum is one of the great places in the world. It's to the point that if I offend some guys here, it must be me. I hear Rob Mueller growling softly, and that means I must reexamine my thinking.

Editing now, I have since read about the Bear, and find it instructive. Good post, Johnny. So perceptive you are. Don't want to get into too many personal experiences, except to say I appreciate what you alluded to. Should maybe have written about the medicinal herbs newly allowed in Colorado, Oregon, and California among other states, or better to have left that alone, too. I'll try in future to keep my elbows out of the window panes, to write of Thurber's fable. I have no problem with having that bourbon with you in future as you have invited me to, though I can't hold my liquor worth a flip any more. Cheap guest, I am.


Best,

Carey


Carey from Ennis, Texas 78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.

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Guy Lopes is currently offline  Guy Lopes   United States
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Oh great Carey. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

I agree. In the interweb world, this network is (sadly) very unique in its
friendliness, a wealth of free information and the impetus to true and
lasting friendships. I feel very fortunate to be a small part of it.

Now that you've clarified the meaning of your original (confusing) email, I
don't think there's a need for you to reexamine your thinking at all. We're
on the same page!

Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
W6TOL

www.GMC-Guy.com



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Guy,

My post was an attempt to spotlight your welcoming post as a positive
example. Tried to use your full name so as to be clear as to whom I was
addressing my comments, as Guy, could be understood as a generic term like
"Fellow", or so I thought. Not trying to call you out as my mom called me
out using my full name.

As to the subsequent part of the post, it was just an attempt to be funny
and to reveal some of our sacred cows that aren't common knowledge. For
instance, who would have thought that a best-selling line of oil filters in
the United States are considered junk here? Mostly on structural grounds
because of the cardboard in them, rather than the steel partitions in other
filters. Got to admit, that cardboard bothers me, though before coming
here, used Fram filters for 40 years with no engine failures due to oil
problems, really never wore one out to the oil burning stage. Rarely drove
one past 120,000 miles though. I guess nobody told my engines about the
cardboard. Felt real good about changing my own oil and my upgraded
filters.
Live and learn.

However, I see now that what I have posted did not get the effect I intended
and I say, "never mind", and just want to say, that just about everyone on
the forum would go out of their way to help a stranger, to the point that
some have been taken advantage of. It was just a shame to me that such a
great bunch of folks seem to give an opposite impression sometimes, or maybe
it was just my imagination. This forum is one of the great places in the
world. It's to the point that if I offend some guys here, it must be me. I
hear Rob Mueller growling softly, and that means I must reexamine my
thinking.

Best,

Carey
--
Carey from Ennis, Texas
78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.

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Re: [GMCnet] Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290313 is a reply to message #290312] Sat, 14 November 2015 00:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   Australia
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Carey, Not growling at all, as evidenced by the Smile at the end of my reply. Actually I too got confused (nothing new). As I read your reply I'm saying to myself, this is from a guy that lives in TEXAS? This doesn't compute! Shocked



Regards, Rob M. (USAussie) The Pedantic Mechanic Sydney, Australia '75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428 '75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
Re: [GMCnet] Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290314 is a reply to message #290313] Sat, 14 November 2015 01:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And, Guy,

One more shot. My computer posted that first reply to the email list with the lines garbled up, and I quickly edited it, but since it was on the forum I looked at it, it now appears right, but damage was done on the list, as it went out garbled. Don't know what happened, but probably hit a key to move a paragraph instead of the 'enter' key. It was screwy, please note that I tried to correct it within a few seconds, but since it hit the list server, the damage was done. It's right on the forum, I will try to quote it corrected.

Yes, this is what I intended to say in the first place, quoting from the corrected post, which you didn't see:

"Hey, Guy Lopes,

What a great job welcoming a new poster. These guys are taking their chances to announce their presence in writing. What would we say to a guy who worked a lifetime before retiring at Fram, liked Chinese tires, preferred Ford or Nissan accessories to be put on his GMC, liked the orange antifreeze, and didn't want to put any information on a sig file? These hot button issues could to say the least alter the reception he got on the forum. Those preferences are just off the top of my head. And, have the message first post in the evening hours for the best chance of a hip-shooting comeback. Folks are tired from the day at work (or avoiding honey-dos), and perhaps are relaxing with a beverage or three.

Carey"


I would like still to say "never mind" to it because it was a bit unbalanced, thanks, Johnny Bridges. At least you can see what I intended to say, though it wasn't my finest production and best left ignored. You can see comparing both posts that the cursor was in the middle of a sentence when I hit the wrong button (probably the 'up arrow'), and then "enter", and it got posted in that garbled fashion.

Carey


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Re: Bolting Down Seat Bases [message #290318 is a reply to message #290239] Sat, 14 November 2015 06:09 Go to previous message
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Paul,

Not having access to a router, I used the sandwich method

I used 1/2" for the bottom sections

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/mechanical/p49923-half-inch-pieces.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/mechanical/p49923-half-inch-pieces.html

and 3/16" sheet for the top

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/mechanical/p49924-top-sheet-of-3-2f16-26quot-3b.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/mechanical/p49924-top-sheet-of-3-2f16-26quot-3b.html

The plywood was coated liberally with paint and then truck Bedliner on the bottom. An afternoon project, not too bad. Secured with screws rather than rivets, I wanted to be able to remove them.


76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center... Columbia, SC.
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