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50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289113]

Wed, 21 October 2015 15:43

JohnL455

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Sale ends today. I bought 6 gal then read that it is Ethylene Glycol and Diethylene Glycol (extended life mixes with any color). I the past I only used Ethylene Glycol in 60s-80s GM cars and trucks. Is this better or worse to use? This has nothing to do with the Propylene Glycol and OAT Dexcool topic which is a whole different thing. Emery if you read this please re educate me.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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Re: [GMCnet] 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289126 is a reply to message #289113]

Wed, 21 October 2015 18:15

emerystora

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All ethylene glycol antifreeze has a little bit of diethylene glycol in it. Usually about 5%. This is to give it anti rubber swell properties

Emery Stora

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 2:43 PM, John R. Lebetski wrote:
>
> Sale ends today. I bought 6 gal then read that it is Ethylene Glycol and Diethylene Glycol (extended life mixes with any color). I the past I only
> used Ethylene Glycol in 60s-80s GM cars and trucks. Is this better or worse to use? This has nothing to do with the Propylene Glycol and OAT Dexcool
> topic which is a whole different thing. Emery if you read this please re educate me.
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Re: 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289127 is a reply to message #289113]

Wed, 21 October 2015 18:50

JohnL455

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Ok so I take that as this is fine to use. 6 gallons for 30 bucks is a good deal if you are near a Farm and Fleet. Thanks Emery.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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Re: [GMCnet] 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289128 is a reply to message #289127]

Wed, 21 October 2015 19:08

emerystora

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Sure, John. It should be fine. Good buy!

Emery

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 5:50 PM, John R. Lebetski wrote:
>
> Ok so I take that as this is fine to use. 6 gallons for 30 bucks is a good deal if you are near a Farm and Fleet. Thanks Emery.
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Re: [GMCnet] 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289137 is a reply to message #289127]

Wed, 21 October 2015 23:50

jimk

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Coolants are critical on head gaskets as we have seen how the oxidation has
sped up head gasket seal to give in prematurely.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 4:50 PM, John R. Lebetski
wrote:

> Ok so I take that as this is fine to use. 6 gallons for 30 bucks is a good
> deal if you are near a Farm and Fleet. Thanks Emery.
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Re: [GMCnet] 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289148 is a reply to message #289137]

Thu, 22 October 2015 07:31

Matt Colie

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jimk wrote on Thu, 22 October 2015 00:50

Coolants are critical on head gaskets as we have seen how the oxidation has sped up head gasket seal to give in prematurely.
--
Jim Kanomata

Not that JimK's advice shold need any back up, but please believe him on this one.
All the good gasket makers have different gaskets in there line for marine service (and yes, they cost more) because, if the core of the laminated composite isn't stainless steel (which is a bear to process), the passages blocked for coolant flow control will become full sized openings. This will cause over heat type damage when there is no overheat indicated. This can happen to any engine that does not have coolant with corrosion inhibitors. This can even cause the combustion seal to fail.

Matt

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Re: 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289160 is a reply to message #289113]

Thu, 22 October 2015 10:25

JohnL455

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So Matt that said-- are there negative effects to the 455 by using a coolant that has some Diethylene Glycol in the blend. I'd call you Mr. Gasket but that is allready taken.
I'll start another post regarding a white paper on head gasket failure caused by using Dexcool in an Ethylene glycol designed engine, but want to keep that a separate topic.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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Re: 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289164 is a reply to message #289160]

Thu, 22 October 2015 10:45

tphipps

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Matt, Part numbers for the Marine Gasket set?
Tom, MS II

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Re: [GMCnet] 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289168 is a reply to message #289160]

Thu, 22 October 2015 11:10

emerystora

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John

Did you read my last email?
All good ethylene glycol antifreeze formulations have had about 5% diethylene glycol for at least the last 50 years.
I would not want to buy anything that did not have some ethylene glycol in it. In fact, I don’t think you can find any that does not have it.

Emery Stora
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Frederick, CO

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:25 AM, John R. Lebetski wrote:
>
> So Matt that said-- are there negative effects to the 455 by using a coolant that has some Diethylene Glycol in the blend. I'd call you Mr. Gasket but
> that is already taken.
> I'll start another post regarding a white paper on head gasket failure caused by using Dexcool in an Ethylene glycol designed engine, but want to keep
> that a separate topic.
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Re: 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289176 is a reply to message #289113]

Thu, 22 October 2015 12:08

JohnL455

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Emery I did read it. And did learn about the 5% content. The stuff I bought is listed as "Universal mixes with any color extended life" as opposed to conventionally labeled ethylene glycol. What we don't know, as it is not speced on the jug, is the ratio of ethylene to diethylene. Other conventional green does not even mention the diethylene in the label maybe because the concentration is so low or at 5% (2.5% total@ 50/50) Has any testing been done as to if there is any head gasket protection or degredation with diethylene, or is that purely a function of the sacrificial additive package? What makes this "extended life" anyway? More additves or different additves or is it a function of the diethylene? I have always run what the mfg recommended, hence my leary approach to the Universal stuff. Kind of like no rinse floor cleaner that is wash and wax in one step not being as good as wash/ rinse/ wax as 3 steps. Hope I'm not beating this to death but been trying to get to the bottom of this for some time.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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Re: [GMCnet] 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289197 is a reply to message #289176]

Thu, 22 October 2015 19:18

emerystora

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John
The diethylene glycol has nothing to do with corrosion or gasket life. I told you in a prior email what it's purpose is.

As to "extended life" that sounds to me as if it's a advertising gimmick for the label.

Emery Stora

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:08 AM, John R. Lebetski wrote:
>
> Emery I did read it. And did learn about the 5% content. The stuff I bought is listed as "Universal mixes with any color extended life" as opposed to
> conventionally labeled ethylene glycol. What we don't know, as it is not speced on the jug, is the ratio of ethylene to diethylene. Other conventional
> green does not even mention the diethylene in the label maybe because the concentration is so low or at 5% (2.5% total@ 50/50) Has any testing been
> done as to if there is any head gasket protection or degredation with diethylene, or is that purely a function of the sacrificial additive package?
> What makes this "extended life" anyway? More additves or different additves or is it a function of the diethylene? I have always run what the mfg
> recommended, hence my leary approach to the Universal stuff. Kind of like no rinse floor cleaner that is wash and wax in one step not being as good as
> wash/ rinse/ wax as 3 steps. Hope I'm not beating this to death but been trying to get to the bottom of this for some time.
> --
> John Lebetski
> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
> Source America First
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Re: 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289296 is a reply to message #289164]

Sat, 24 October 2015 00:39

roy1

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If you want a better head gasket then the standard felpro blue head gasket get the felpro super pro gaskets but be prepared to pay $75 each. They are nice gaskets and recommended for marine use.

Roy Keen Minden,NV 76 X Glenbrook

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Re: 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289433 is a reply to message #289296]

Sun, 25 October 2015 22:23

Ken Burton

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While we are talking antifreeze here I have a second question.

Both my Honda motorcycle and my John Deere specifically state to use non-silicate antifreeze. Honda warns of water pump failures if silicate antifreeze is used. So far the only thing I have found that states no silicates and no phosphorous is Dexcool which I refuse to use in anything.

What brand do I go looking for?

Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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Re: [GMCnet] 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289434 is a reply to message #289433]

Sun, 25 October 2015 22:50

Dolph Santorine

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Between Prestones site and here --

http://m.autozone.com/antifreeze-radiator-additives-and-windshield-wash-fluid/antifreeze/prestone-antifreeze-and-coolant/525501_0_0/?location=

I've used it in Audi and Mini just fine.

Dolph Santorine

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> On Oct 25, 2015, at 11:23 PM, Ken Burton wrote:
>
> While we are talking antifreeze here I have a second question.
>
> Both my Honda motorcycle and my John Deere specifically state to use non-silicate antifreeze. Honda warns of water pump failures if silicate
> antifreeze is used. So far the only thing I have found that states no silicates and no phosphorous is Dexcool which I refuse to use in anything.
>
> What brand do I go looking for?
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> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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Re: 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289449 is a reply to message #289113]

Mon, 26 October 2015 09:58

JohnL455

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Ken, might be best to follow the ASTM numbers. My JD425 says ATSM D4656 for diluted and ASTM D 3306 for concentrated. I know NAPA has that in house brand concentrate. Not sure on the vintage of JD you have.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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Re: 50/50 Farm and Fleet antifreeze $4.99 [message #289494 is a reply to message #289449]

Mon, 26 October 2015 23:54

Ken Burton

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Thanks. That was a good idea. I have a 1999 JD 955 model. It is 3 cylinder Yanmar diesel.

Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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