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| Re: [GMCnet] Power cord interference [message #283789 is a reply to message #283746] |
Sun, 02 August 2015 20:14   |
cbryan
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Emery,
He was kidding us about the 180 degree bend. (note he said "VBG", and that means "Very Big Grin".) Only in lightning strike situations would the 180 degree power cord bend have any effect whatsoever. But, I still like to envision some electrons getting lost and exiting the outside of the bend! Give them a thrill! There are some that think you will have a big inductor that will overheat because of inductive losses if you coil your power cable outside or inside of the coach. If any effect, I believe that those effects are the result of resistive heating of the cable being confined in a small space, and I have seen absolutely zero cords melted in the middle. On the ends, where the connector attaches, yes. Some lay out their cords along the ground. I guess it may make some difference in a 30 amp service situation.
Carey
Carey from Ennis, Texas
78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power cord interference [message #283790 is a reply to message #283789] |
Sun, 02 August 2015 20:21 |
emerystora
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I missed the fact that he was kidding!
I leave my 50 amp coiled in the box while plugged in and have done that for the last 34 years.
Emery Stora
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:14 PM, Carey Bryan wrote:
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> Emery,
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> He was kidding us about the 180 degree bend. (note he said "VBG", and that means "Very Big Grin".) Only in lightning strike situations would the 180
> degree power cord bend have any effect whatsoever. But, I still like to envision some electrons getting lost and exiting the outside of the bend!
> Give them a thrill! There are some that think you will have a big inductor that will overheat because of inductive losses if you coil your power
> cable outside or inside of the coach. If any effect, I believe that those effects are the result of resistive heating of the cable being confined in
> a small space, and I have seen absolutely zero cords melted in the middle. On the ends, where the connector attaches, yes. Some lay out their cords
> along the ground. I guess it may make some difference in a 30 amp service situation.
>
> Carey
> --
> Carey from Ennis, Texas
> 78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power cord interference [message #283794 is a reply to message #283790] |
Sun, 02 August 2015 20:46 |
rjw
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emerystora wrote on Sun, 02 August 2015 21:21I missed the fact that he was kidding!
I leave my 50 amp coiled in the box while plugged in and have done that for the last 34 years.
Emery Stora
I still relatively new at this, I've only been doing the same thing for the past 17 years with no ill effects.
Richard
76 Palm Beach
SE Michigan
www.PalmBeachGMC.com
Roller Cam 455, TBI+EBL, 3.42 FD, 4 Bag, Macerator, Lenzi (brakes, vacuum system, front end stuff), Manny Tranny, vacuum step, Tankless + OEM water heaters.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power cord interference [message #283807 is a reply to message #283790] |
Mon, 03 August 2015 02:08 |
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USAussie
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Emery,
If you look back on the emails I have sent to the GMCnet you will find a dearth that deal with electricity.
Quite often I note that I am electrically challenged! I can work it out but the side of my brain that figures electrical things out
is CHALLENGED!
Mechanical, pneumatic, hydraulic systems are no problem.
Now someone is going to note that a diode is like a check valve, a capacitor is like an accumulator, a resistor is like and orifice,
and they're correct, however, to my grey matter it don't matter! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
-----Original Message-----
From: Emery Stora
I missed the fact that he was kidding!
I leave my 50 amp coiled in the box while plugged in and have done that for the last 34 years.
Emery Stora
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power cord interference [message #283825 is a reply to message #283807] |
Mon, 03 August 2015 11:01 |
Kosier
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Rob,
You're TRULY my kind of guy! When you cut a wire and nothing runs out of
either side, there just can't
be anything in there. ZZZZZZAP..........
Gary Kosier
77PB w/500 Cad
Newark, Oh
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From: "Robert Mueller"
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:08 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Power cord interference
> Emery,
>
> If you look back on the emails I have sent to the GMCnet you will find a
> dearth that deal with electricity.
>
> Quite often I note that I am electrically challenged! I can work it out
> but the side of my brain that figures electrical things out
> is CHALLENGED!
>
> Mechanical, pneumatic, hydraulic systems are no problem.
>
> Now someone is going to note that a diode is like a check valve, a
> capacitor is like an accumulator, a resistor is like and orifice,
> and they're correct, however, to my grey matter it don't matter! ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power cord interference [message #283833 is a reply to message #283746] |
Mon, 03 August 2015 12:29 |
MikeT
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I turned the electrical box enclosure with the plugs to side facing instead of facing front. Wide open now. Few screws out. Self tapping new ones in. 10 minute job.
Mike Thomas
Marine City, MI
77 ex Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power cord interference [message #283836 is a reply to message #283746] |
Mon, 03 August 2015 13:03 |
lqqkatjon
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i also turned the box sideways, I don't think I could get the clearance at all by bending the wire over? but I guess i did not try hard enough. However it is a little trickier to see what direction my water heater switch is now.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power cord interference [message #283841 is a reply to message #283837] |
Mon, 03 August 2015 14:35 |
pzerkel
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I am not sure. Cord is no more than 8' long. I think it is at least 14 guage. I only have a 9245. Specs say 725 watts input (so about 7 amps @ 110 volts?). I have not worried about it. Should I be?
emerystora wrote on Mon, 03 August 2015 13:07What gauge wire is it? Those are usually pretty light wire.
Emery Stora
> On Aug 3, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Paul Zerkel wrote:
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> I went to Lowes and bought the shortest extension cord I could find that had a right angle plug.
> --
> Paul Zerkel
Paul Zerkel
'78 Eleganza II
Salisbury IL (near Springfield)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power cord interference [message #283955 is a reply to message #283746] |
Tue, 04 August 2015 16:24 |
Carl S.
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Robert Burkitt wrote on Sun, 02 August 2015 11:28Peer Oliver Schmidt asked about the interference between the Progressive Dynamics power cord and the cabinet door. He liked this solution so it is posted on the photo site at:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/electrical/p58819-plug-interference-solution.html
Should you choose to replace the plug with a right-angle version it will not void any warranty per the PD technical department.
Bob Burkitt Cincinnati 1977 Palm Beach 455
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I just unscrewed the switch box from the side of the panel box and moved it back as far as I could. That provided plenty of room for the straight plug on the PD charger.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power cord interference [message #284017 is a reply to message #283973] |
Wed, 05 August 2015 09:47 |
emerystora
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Years ago I did much the same as John did and this left plenty of storage room for a large tackle box full of tools.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3187-storage-ideas.html
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Aug 4, 2015, at 4:51 PM, John Wright wrote:
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> This is how I reorganized the power area in our 77 Eleganza II.
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/general-pictures/p58833-77-power-layout.html
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/general-pictures/p58835-mvc-018s1.html
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/general-pictures/p58837-mvc-020s.html
>
>
> J.R. Wright
> GMC Great Laker MHC
> Newsletter Editor/Publisher
> GMC Eastern States
> GMCMHI
> 78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
> 75 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
> Michigan
>
>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
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>> Robert Burkitt wrote on Sun, 02 August 2015 11:28
>>> Peer Oliver Schmidt asked about the interference between the Progressive Dynamics power cord and the cabinet door. He liked this solution so it is
>>> posted on the photo site at:
>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/electrical/p58819-plug-interference-solution.html
>>> Should you choose to replace the plug with a right-angle version it will not void any warranty per the PD technical department.
>>> Bob Burkitt Cincinnati 1977 Palm Beach 455
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>> I just unscrewed the switch box from the side of the panel box and moved it back as far as I could. That provided plenty of room for the straight
>> plug on the PD charger.
>> --
>> Carl Stouffer
>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>> Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power cord interference [message #284042 is a reply to message #284017] |
Wed, 05 August 2015 13:54 |
powerjon
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As Emery did I also did have a small tool box with small parts stored in the available space that was created.
JR Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMC Eastern States
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMCMHI
78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
> On Aug 5, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Emery Stora wrote:
>
> Years ago I did much the same as John did and this left plenty of storage room for a large tackle box full of tools.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3187-storage-ideas.html
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 4:51 PM, John Wright wrote:
>>
>> This is how I reorganized the power area in our 77 Eleganza II.
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/general-pictures/p58833-77-power-layout.html
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/general-pictures/p58835-mvc-018s1.html
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/general-pictures/p58837-mvc-020s.html
>>
>>
>> J.R. Wright
>> GMC Great Laker MHC
>> Newsletter Editor/Publisher
>> GMC Eastern States
>> GMCMHI
>> 78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
>> 75 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
>> Michigan
>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
>>>
>>> Robert Burkitt wrote on Sun, 02 August 2015 11:28
>>>> Peer Oliver Schmidt asked about the interference between the Progressive Dynamics power cord and the cabinet door. He liked this solution so it is
>>>> posted on the photo site at:
>>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/electrical/p58819-plug-interference-solution.html
>>>> Should you choose to replace the plug with a right-angle version it will not void any warranty per the PD technical department.
>>>> Bob Burkitt Cincinnati 1977 Palm Beach 455
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just unscrewed the switch box from the side of the panel box and moved it back as far as I could. That provided plenty of room for the straight
>>> plug on the PD charger.
>>> --
>>> Carl Stouffer
>>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>>> Tucson, AZ.
>>>
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