| OT: Hackers Remotely Hijack & Wreck A Jeep On The Highway [message #282710] |
Tue, 21 July 2015 14:39  |
rcjordan
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http://www.fastcompany.com/3048891/fast-feed/hackers-remotely-hijacked-a-jeep-on-the-highway
Uconnect, the Internet-connected software installed in newer Fiat Chrysler models, can be hacked remotely due to a vulnerability in its cellular capabilities.
"From 10 miles away, Miller and Valasek proceeded to hack into his car's software, toggling the windshield wipers, blasting the radio, and, eventually, cutting the transmission. Later, the hackers also managed to take over the brakes and sent the Jeep into a ditch."
Yet another reason to keep a GMC around.
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| Re: OT: Hackers Remotely Hijack & Wreck A Jeep On The Highway [message #282778 is a reply to message #282710] |
Wed, 22 July 2015 08:13  |
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As long as it has no connection to the outside world, you ought to be OK. Someone would have to do as the guys in the article did a couple of years ago - get to the OBD connector to hack the system. Got bluetooth or wi-fi in it, it's vulnerable. Want something without software or (flashable) firmware in it at all? Welcome to the GMC motorhome. The computer in my coach resides in a laptop satchel beside the passenger seat. Even the old analog OnStar could unlock the doors via celphone.
--johnny
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Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: OT: Hackers Remotely Hijack & Wreck A Jeep On The Highway [message #282820 is a reply to message #282710] |
Wed, 22 July 2015 13:09 |
jhbridges
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I can (and have) demonstrate,I can stop it quicker than the anti-lock system. However, I >knew< I was gonna panic stop it. In the real world day to day, the anti-lock has saved my rides more than twice in Atlanta traffic.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: OT: Hackers Remotely Hijack & Wreck A Jeep On The Highway [message #282822 is a reply to message #282710] |
Wed, 22 July 2015 13:24 |
rcjordan
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I, and most of you, carry an internet-connected supercomputer in our shirt pockets. I cannot fathom the idea that I might want Fiat (Fiat!! Based on my 70s-80s experiences, just the mention of that company gives me quality control chills. They make the Chinese look good by comparison.) or any other CAR company to provide me with their proprietary, dealer-serviced-at-a-premium crap.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Hackers Remotely Hijack & Wreck A Jeep On The Highway [message #282824 is a reply to message #282820] |
Wed, 22 July 2015 13:23 |
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ABS was never introduced to reduce braking distance or times...
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
On 2015-07-22, at 11:09 AM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
> I can (and have) demonstrate,I can stop it quicker than the anti-lock system. However, I >knew< I was gonna panic stop it. In the real world day to
> day, the anti-lock has saved my rides more than twice in Atlanta traffic.
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> --johnny
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> Braselton, Ga.
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> "Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Hackers Remotely Hijack & Wreck A Jeep On The Highway [message #282826 is a reply to message #282825] |
Wed, 22 July 2015 13:46 |
Dolph Santorine
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The car companies have lots of really smart folks who will safeguard the systems.
The code will be re-written with the necessary safeties that were not part of the original design.
In the 70’s I remember all the “junk” comments about Aluminum engine blocks with steel sleeves.
It’s now accepted practice.
Things get better all the time. I for one like plugging into the computer on my car, and letting it tell me that there is an injector induced miss on cylinder 3.
They will get it right. The bugs will be squashed.
Now, about that Microsoft car rebooting at the intersection……
Dolph
> On Jul 22, 2015, at 2:34 PM, RC Jordan wrote:
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> "For the automakers participating, they realized, 'Huh, the barrier to entry was far lower than we thought.' You don't have to be an engineer. You can
> be a kid with $14."
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> "concerns have mushroomed in recent weeks, as German researchers infiltrated BMW's remote-services system and 60 Minutes demonstrated how another
> research team remotely commandeered control of a Chevy Impala"
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> http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/18/14-year-old-hacker-caught-industry-by-surprise-featured/
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| Re: OT: Hackers Remotely Hijack & Wreck A Jeep On The Highway [message #282841 is a reply to message #282710] |
Wed, 22 July 2015 14:47 |
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Quote:"Those experts don't live in Detroit," said Shawn Slusser, vice president of the automotive business at Infineon.
Even if they were on hand, those engineers would need time to examine and re-draw the network architectures of their cars and bolster the security for every electronic control unit on a vehicle. In the product-planning life-cycle, it could take three to five years for those alterations to reach new vehicles.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Hackers Remotely Hijack & Wreck A Jeep On The Highway [message #282846 is a reply to message #282844] |
Wed, 22 July 2015 15:06 |
Olly Schmidt
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Am 22.07.2015 um 23:04 schrieb A.:
> Rob wrote on Wed, 22 July 2015 13:23
>> ABS was never introduced to reduce braking distance or times...
>> Rob
>> Victoria, BC
>> 76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
> OK. I'll bite. Why WAS ABS introduced? Since it DOES reduce skidding and therefore reduces braking distance on slick roadways.
It was introduced to let you keep control over the car.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Hackers Remotely Hijack & Wreck A Jeep On The Highway [message #282847 is a reply to message #282846] |
Wed, 22 July 2015 15:29 |
Rob
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Exactly.
ABS was introduced to keep wheels from locking up - a wheel that is locked up can't change the direction of the vehicle. A wheel needs to be rotating in order to steer.
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
On 2015-07-22, at 1:06 PM, Peer Oliver Schmidt GMC wrote:
> Am 22.07.2015 um 23:04 schrieb A.:
>> Rob wrote on Wed, 22 July 2015 13:23
>>> ABS was never introduced to reduce braking distance or times...
>>> Rob
>>> Victoria, BC
>>> 76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
>> OK. I'll bite. Why WAS ABS introduced? Since it DOES reduce skidding and therefore reduces braking distance on slick roadways.
> It was introduced to let you keep control over the car.
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> Best regards
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> Peer Oliver Schmidt
> PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA
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> '76a Eleganza II, VA
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Hackers Remotely Hijack & Wreck A Jeep On The Highway [message #282858 is a reply to message #282826] |
Wed, 22 July 2015 16:52 |
Keith V
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Dolph Santorine wrote on Wed, 22 July 2015 13:46The car companies have lots of really smart folks who will safeguard the systems.
The code will be re-written with the necessary safeties that were not part of the original design.
Wireless security is near impossible. There are just too many attack vectors that can be compromised from too many places.
I just heard about a way to lock and steal a car by eavesdropping on the key fob transmission and then replaying it verbatim.
They can, and did, unlock the car, start it and drive it away.
The only fix is to keep your car in locked storage.
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
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| Re: OT: Hackers Remotely Hijack & Wreck A Jeep On The Highway [message #282894 is a reply to message #282710] |
Wed, 22 July 2015 21:49 |
Chr$
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They didn't wreck it.
It was a planned hack, the driver knew about it.
Jeez!
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
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