| [GMCnet] FW: Engine & transmission oil coolers [message #281437] |
Sat, 04 July 2015 09:49  |
BobDunahugh
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Gary. That extra 455 that came with Glenn's GMC. It had been remanufactured. I don't think that crankshaft had been cleaned properly. Because there was a very deep cut in # 3 rod bearing. All the way around the bearing. And it was interesting that the crank had no signs of damage. That groove lined up with that oil passage in the crank. I'll look to see if that bearing is still in that rod. If so. I could send a photo.This is the absolute truth so help me God. I really, really, really mean that. I bought a 74 GMC pickup with a 454 new to pull our camper.It started to have a light knock. It was out of it's 12,000 mile GM warranty. So I pulled it out. What I found was a broken drill bit still in the crankshaft. That passage was NOT completed. It got enough oil splash to last that long. This story is like saying I caught a shark in one of the Great Lakes. You can call Rob Bradley at 319-393-5754. He saw this. And to top this crazy story off. That 454 went 46,000 miles that
way. Steve Stone was the GMC rep in Chicago that got GMC to give me a crank, rod, and bearing. And GMC really didn't have to do that for me. Bob DunahughFrom: yenko108@hotmail.com
To: tkmiller714@yahoo.com
Subject: FW: Engine & transmission oil coolers
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 00:07:54 -0500
From: yenko108@hotmail.com
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: RE: Engine & transmission oil coolers
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:02:17 -0500
Jim Hupe is so right about, cleanliness is the next thing to godliness. When I assemble any engine. I do it in my shop that I keep my GMC in. It is vary sealed up with central heat, AC, and an air filtration system. Even a chandelier just for fun. And crown molding to complete the theme. I do the work on white paper. YES. I'm a nut on the cleanliness when I assemble an engine. Not to good the rest of the time. Right now it's a mess. HELP. Since the oil in the cooler HAS to go thrue the filter. So if you have the cooler cleaned the way Jay Leno suggest it be done. The filter should get anything that's missed by the cleaning of the cooler. And we should buy the smallest micron filter for the first few oil/filter changes. So most of the contamination in a reman'd engine has to be coming from improper cleaning of engine block oil passages. And the ones in the crankshaft. Plus working in a dirty environment. The problem is that a very small amount of contamination multipl
ies over time. Then exacerbated by the filter bypass valve. But then you have a finer oil filter that has colder fresh oil in it when the engine is at it's most vulnerable. Thus the bypass valve will be open the most. And the bearings in Glenn's GMC are indicating the story of deterioration over a very long time. There just has to be a passage in the 403, and 455 that holds trash, and is hard to clean. Is this what this is coming down too? Bob Dunahugh
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| Re: [GMCnet] FW: Engine & transmission oil coolers [message #281438 is a reply to message #281437] |
Sat, 04 July 2015 10:04  |
James Hupy
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Reality check time. Let's see, you have an automotive machine shop, and
several employees. A machinist, capable of running boring machines, crank
grinders, Bridgeport mills, lathes, cylinder head machines, etc. He gets
paid well for his knowledge and skill. On the other end, we have runners
and grunts, semi skilled people and lower paid. Younger, less skilled.
Guess who cleans the parts, both before and after machine work. Wonder why
crap gets left in engines? I don't. I have been both of those guys at
different times in my life. I have made all those same mistakes, some more
than once. Just sayin'.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Jul 4, 2015 7:49 AM, "Bob Dunahugh" wrote:
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> Gary. That extra 455 that came with Glenn's GMC. It had been
> remanufactured. I don't think that crankshaft had been cleaned properly.
> Because there was a very deep cut in # 3 rod bearing. All the way around
> the bearing. And it was interesting that the crank had no signs of damage.
> That groove lined up with that oil passage in the crank. I'll look to see
> if that bearing is still in that rod. If so. I could send a photo.This is
> the absolute truth so help me God. I really, really, really mean that. I
> bought a 74 GMC pickup with a 454 new to pull our camper.It started to
> have a light knock. It was out of it's 12,000 mile GM warranty. So I pulled
> it out. What I found was a broken drill bit still in the crankshaft. That
> passage was NOT completed. It got enough oil splash to last that long.
> This story is like saying I caught a shark in one of the Great Lakes. You
> can call Rob Bradley at 319-393-5754. He saw this. And to top this crazy
> story off. That 454 went 46,000 miles that
> way. Steve Stone was the GMC rep in Chicago that got GMC to give me a
> crank, rod, and bearing. And GMC really didn't have to do that for me.
> Bob DunahughFrom: yenko108@hotmail.com
> To: tkmiller714@yahoo.com
> Subject: FW: Engine & transmission oil coolers
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 00:07:54 -0500
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> From: yenko108@hotmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: RE: Engine & transmission oil coolers
> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:02:17 -0500
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> Jim Hupe is so right about, cleanliness is the next thing to godliness.
> When I assemble any engine. I do it in my shop that I keep my GMC in. It is
> vary sealed up with central heat, AC, and an air filtration system. Even a
> chandelier just for fun. And crown molding to complete the theme. I do the
> work on white paper. YES. I'm a nut on the cleanliness when I assemble an
> engine. Not to good the rest of the time. Right now it's a mess. HELP.
> Since the oil in the cooler HAS to go thrue the filter. So if you have the
> cooler cleaned the way Jay Leno suggest it be done. The filter should get
> anything that's missed by the cleaning of the cooler. And we should buy the
> smallest micron filter for the first few oil/filter changes. So most of
> the contamination in a reman'd engine has to be coming from improper
> cleaning of engine block oil passages. And the ones in the crankshaft.
> Plus working in a dirty environment. The problem is that a very small
> amount of contamination multipl
> ies over time. Then exacerbated by the filter bypass valve. But then you
> have a finer oil filter that has colder fresh oil in it when the engine is
> at it's most vulnerable. Thus the bypass valve will be open the most. And
> the bearings in Glenn's GMC are indicating the story of deterioration
> over a very long time. There just has to be a passage in the 403, and 455
> that holds trash, and is hard to clean. Is this what this is coming down
> too? Bob Dunahugh
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine & transmission oil coolers [message #281481 is a reply to message #281437] |
Sat, 04 July 2015 23:23 |
BobDunahugh
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Today I sent some photo's to Kerry to organize them so they can be seen easily. ( Pitcher, thousand word thing. ) Thanks Kerry. At this point. I'm not going to do any more to that 455 bottom end till we get some things clarified. Of all the engines that I've built. I've never had the bottom end of an engine come unglued. Well. Once I got way too aggressive on the track. I didn't want to end up the first loser. I ended up the 6th loser. As about 800 ft from the finish line. I twisted the Flywheel end of the crankshaft off. Should we say that I heard sounds that I had never heard before. And that broke things that I've never heard of anyone breaking either. I had heavy thing abandon me. Back to the topic. Let's just say that a 455 isn't going to break my streak. So today I got the heads out for an inspection. The first thing I saw was that the heads had heavy Duty valve springs installed. Bad Idea for our engines. Then on top of that. The HD springs were improperly installe
d. Details tomorrow. Bob Dunahugh. Member GMCMI
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