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Thu, 02 July 2015 06:23  |
Olly Schmidt
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What is the best source to get the plumbing lines for the GMC? I need to
refurbish some, and wonder if Lowe is a good source.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281244 is a reply to message #281243] |
Thu, 02 July 2015 06:45  |
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SeanKidd
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I used PEX- cross linked polyethelene...from Lowes and brass fittings with compression rings...the tool is about $30. Since my 73 was all copper, with several fuel line bandaids from freeze damage from previous owner, I gutted everything. Installed filter, ran city water thorough filter as well as storage tank, added several drains for winterization, as well as air line connections and valves to blow it out in the winter.
Oh, yeah, my favorite, I added a spigot in the propane compartment. Add a short hose and it's great to wash off muddy feet. Just be careful, the sink drain runs adjacent to the forward wall of the propane compartment, some have accidentally drilled into it.
Sean and Stephanie
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281245 is a reply to message #281244] |
Thu, 02 July 2015 06:56 |
Olly Schmidt
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Thanks Sean,
sounds like a plan. And with the name of your CanyonLands I *have to*
follow your lead ;)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281256 is a reply to message #281243] |
Thu, 02 July 2015 08:30 |
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Pex would be best, if you are replacing lots. They can freeze.
but if you are only replacing a part or two, I have found these braided stainless lines to be a savior, and will connect into some of my original plumbing line fittings:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_645897-72906-SL12-72WA+DL2___?productId=50381004&pl=1&Ntt=plumbing+braided+hose
I replaced two under my bathroom sink, and also my toilet feed line is now one of these.
Jon Roche
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St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281280 is a reply to message #281256] |
Thu, 02 July 2015 10:56 |
Olly Schmidt
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Jon,
> Pex would be best, if you are replacing lots. They can freeze.
Is there anything that can not freeze?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281283 is a reply to message #281243] |
Thu, 02 July 2015 11:39 |
lqqkatjon
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What i meant by freezing, Is freeZing with water still in the line.
They can all freeze if properly winterized.
Pex or other types of pex, has the ability to freeze with water in the lines without damage. So they say. I have seen cracked fittings.
Jon Roche
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281289 is a reply to message #281280] |
Thu, 02 July 2015 11:46 |
Hal StClair
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The PEX will survive the freezing, it's the fittings that will fail. I have the expansion tool for PEX which uses cheaper, much smaller fittings which are simpler to install, especially in tight spaces. The tools are used by trades people and can be found used lots of places. I picked up two on CL for less than $100 for the pair. You might have to pick up the fittings at a plumbing supply as not all big box stores carry them.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2055119.m570.l1311.R6.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xpex+tool.TRS0&_nkw=pex+expander+tool&_sacat=0
Just an aside, when in school for PEX installation we watched a demo where a piece of PEX with a fitting on either end was pulled at the fittings until it failed. The fittings held, the PEX broke in the center. The expansion fittings really hold.
Hal
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281309 is a reply to message #281304] |
Thu, 02 July 2015 14:05 |
Olly Schmidt
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Now that I have had lots of informative feedback, I want to repeat a
question that wasn't answered before:
Do I need take out the fridge and cut the wall to the bathroom to
replace the plumbing going from the passenger's side to the driver's
side, ie. bathroom to kitchen.
Some of the pics on the gmcphoto suggest just that.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281555 is a reply to message #281552] |
Mon, 06 July 2015 08:41 |
Olly Schmidt
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Thanks Michael.
I love positive information :D - I will go ahead and do the replacement
without destroying the interior first.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281556 is a reply to message #281243] |
Mon, 06 July 2015 09:19 |
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I'll add, for others who are lurking, pex push-on fittings (Shark-Bite) are NOT freeze-rated. My experience is that the pipe and compression fittings will usually survive a hard freeze. The most common failure I've had is in any valve bodies in the system, even ball valves have burst.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281560 is a reply to message #281309] |
Mon, 06 July 2015 10:21 |
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Peer, both the upper cabinet and lower toilet paper cabinet in the bathroom module can be removed, which will give you easy access to the plumbing on the passenger side of the coach. Just look for the screws around the edge of the cabinets. As has been mentioned, you may have to remove the roof panel outside of the bathroom to access the plumbing as it passes over the hall area. On my '76, some of the panels in the closet module are removable, which gave me access to the plumbing on that side. It gets a little dicier going up to the galley sink, but you should be able to remove the stove/oven and galley drawers to reach the plumbing on the drivers side.
PEX is easier to work with than copper, more durable, and the tools and supplies are readily available at the big box stores.
Bryan Hayes
'76 Eleganza II
Salt Lake City, Utah
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281561 is a reply to message #281560] |
Mon, 06 July 2015 10:31 |
Olly Schmidt
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Bryan,
thanks a bunch for the details. As I will need to renew my ceiling
anyway, the outside will be the first thing that I'll remove when I
come over. Should be around the beginning of August, depending on some
project on Cyprus. I hope to find a nice place to layout the old ceiling
to mark the new stuff, and get all the plumbing (re-)done right.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281562 is a reply to message #281243] |
Mon, 06 July 2015 11:16 |
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Peer. On the galley side. Acses is through the cupboard. You can remove the panneling in the top and back of the right cabinet to get to the waterlines
Good luck
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281564 is a reply to message #281562] |
Mon, 06 July 2015 11:22 |
Olly Schmidt
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Thanks lenze.
I am really looking forward to finally getting started with the
plumbing, the ceiling, the walls and the flooring.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281568 is a reply to message #281304] |
Mon, 06 July 2015 14:48 |
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Matt,
Just saved me a house fire, maybe, with your idea about the copper fittings and soldering gun. A red-faced story from me:
I needed to replace a freeze "proof" spigot in our house. It was behind a mirrored wall, and I couldn't get it to stop leaking. I tried washers, etc, but the seat already had a groove in it, and it wasn't the thick sort of seat.
Took a mirror out of the wall, CUT OFF THE WATER TO THE WHOLE HOUSE, and got in there amongst the insulation to solder the copper. Removed a reasonable amount of insulation to make room for work. The house used the rock wool sort of insulation. Got the old fitting out, new one put in, and whilst soldering the last fitting with a propane torch, looked down for a second, torch moved up, and looked back up to see I had set the insulation afire up into the wall. And no house water. No, I didn't have a sprayer or other source of water handy, either. Getting worse by the second. I grabbed the burning insulation with my bare hand and pulled it out of the wall repeatedly until all the fire was gone. Very painful burns, that molten lava is very hot. By the time I could have gotten the water on and a hose to it from the far side of the house, it might have been fully involved. The burns were a constant reminder about how careful I should be in the future.
No one else was home. How dumb! Didn't I know better? Why didn't I put in a shield or damp rag above? What was I thinking? Imagine the nightly news reporting my boneheaded move. I would have been a candidate for the Darwin awards.
Be careful, everybody.
Carey
Carey from Ennis, Texas
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281569 is a reply to message #281568] |
Mon, 06 July 2015 14:58 |
Olly Schmidt
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Carey,
> Just saved me a house fire, maybe, with your idea about the copper fittings and soldering gun. A red-faced story from me:
One more reason not trying to do copper. Thanks for the marker!
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| Re: [GMCnet] Source for plumbing [message #281581 is a reply to message #281569] |
Mon, 06 July 2015 18:00 |
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Peer,
The spray foam insulation in a GMC is HIGHLY flammable!!!
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
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USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Carey,
> Just saved me a house fire, maybe, with your idea about the copper fittings and soldering gun. A red-faced story from me:
One more reason not trying to do copper. Thanks for the marker!
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Peer t
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